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Locally they are already discounting the cars, heard yesterday of someone who was offered around 12% off RRP. Well specced cars here are over $700k just as a comparison the Performante is high 5s to early 6s.

 

Scary considering McLaren's history on value retention. I have friends here who literally can not sell their 650S and some who lost close to 50% of the value of the car in 18 months of ownership.

 

Good buys on the secondary market.

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Yep watched that earlier but video does not tell anything other than 720 would be faster if they continued racing.

But nope, 3 seconds of pressing gas then chickening out.

 

"You could tell Farzad really can't drive"

 

Neither of them can really drive either so there is that too. But Farzad cant drive manual at all and isn't funny either so there is that.

Show me video where Alejandro is powersliding car or driving it on limit, because I have never seen that.

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Love the 720 from the front wheel hub back. Staggering performance for sure.

Sadly the issues wills be electrical, the doors and the infotainment and far from perfect.

 

But glad someone like McLaren are in the marketplace and taking on Ferrari.

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But glad someone like McLaren are in the marketplace and taking on Ferrari.

 

My thoughts exactly but what's conflicting me is the fact that Ferrari kills McLaren on resale, so do you buy the car which holds value or do you buy the "better car IMO" which you get slaughtered on resale and I always end up with none of the above answer.

 

I wish McLaren was holding better but locally they are horrible at resale loosing as much as 50% of its value in 2 years of ownership.

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My thoughts exactly but what's conflicting me is the fact that Ferrari kills McLaren on resale, so do you buy the car which holds value or do you buy the "better car IMO" which you get slaughtered on resale and I always end up with none of the above answer.

 

I wish McLaren was holding better but locally they are horrible at resale loosing as much as 50% of its value in 2 years of ownership.

 

 

I take a 488 over the Macca anyday.

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not impressed with the 488 at all, drove it hard, it's terribly slow for 660HP....

 

 

 

I take a 488 over the Macca anyday.

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Test drove the 488 yesterday, my opinion after test drive is that the car is too good and that's the main reason why I don't really like it LOL

 

It's miles better than the 458, the one I drove was a Spider and with the roof up it felt very rigid not wobbly like the 458.

The car doesn't feel like it's turbocharged and it sounds pretty good but still it does not sound like the Ferraris of the past, gearbox is blindingly quick, revs extremely fast, I was at the rev limiter very quickly so it required recalibration of my interaction with the gear changes.

 

One big difference I've noticed is that the front of the car was glued to the ground and not floaty like the 458 is, nice turn in and cornering, the traction control is nicely calibrated and it allows quite a bit oversteer before it kicks in.

 

The car is fast but it doesn't give you the sensation of speed because it does it very effortlessly, the brakes I thought could be better.

 

At cruising speed it's as easy and as uneventful to drive as a Toyota Corolla.

 

The design, I don't mind but I dislike the front of the car, the car I drove was blue so I kind of liked it.

 

In conclusion, it reminded me a lot of the Huracan but I would never buy one over a Huracan, the Huracan IMO handles better gives me a lot more confidence, perhaps because I feel very at home driving Lamborghinis, I like the Huracan design a lot better and that V10 power plant is to die for, I do not care for Turbos.

 

When I left I jumped in my C63 and I though the 488 poweplant didn't feel much different, quite a weird sensation when one is supposed to be an exotic.

 

Now I understand the SV much better, I didn't click 100% with my SV because I want it to be perfect but it can't be perfect because it's designed to be raw and uncompromising, perfect is boring.

 

The SV is in a different stratosphere it is the last of the true hardcore exotics you had the opportunity to buy brand new IMO, there is nothing in the current crop of exotics which comes near it, it is an exotic in the true sense of the word and I bet in the next 5 to 10 years we will not see cars like the SV even from Lamborghini which makes me very sad.

 

I have high hopes for the Performante, I am expecting the rawness of the SV with the agility of the current crop of exotics, the sound of the glorious V10 is unbeatable by the TT cars, it's cheaper (at least here) than a high spec entry level offerings from McLaren and Ferrari and you can buy one without having to belong to some secret anointed society.

 

Final conclusion, that's why speed does not matter anymore, they are all fast enough, manufacturers have to get rid of engineers when they design these cars and look for someone to put some soul back into them :icon_thumleft:

 

 

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Fortis, I agree with everything you have said perhaps with one exception.

 

The engineers need to stay; it's the marketing guys that need to be rid of. They are making the exotic cars more and more user friendly and easier to operate to maximize market share and sales. The engineers are simply following instructions from the marketing top brass. The latter would love to sell a car to any 19yr-old so long as he/she can pay for one. What we need is a marketing team that understands the needs of petrol-heads. They can make "mainstream" sports cars for the masses but they need to make special models for the petrol-heads too. Lamborghini had done a good job with the A-SV and the H-Perf.

 

In terms of soul, I would rate Lambo being first (having the most soul), Ferrari second and Mac dead last. Porsche's vary: the "regular" models are having less and less soul and that includes the Turbo. The GT3's & GT2's still have it.

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I agree with the fact that the marketing departments are working hard to make these cars more user friendly in order to capture a much wider audience.

 

Don't get me wrong I am grateful for modern engineering but it has to be more of a compromise for street cars in particular, I wouldn't give them free rein in order to affect the design/aesthetics without compromise that's how you end up with eye sockets disease LOL.

 

We need the designers to fight/challenge the engineers, make them sweat :icon_mrgreen:

 

I see McLaren the brand most focused on engineering therefore it being the least exciting to interact with, the more perfect the car is the more boring it is.

 

I want to test drive a 720S in order to experience it for myself, aside of the eye sockets I like the design over the 488.

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not impressed with the 488 at all, drove it hard, it's terribly slow for 660HP....

 

 

Did you drive in right modes? One I was driving felt pretty quick.

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