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After 7 years thats ALL...?

So the NEW 2017 Lamborghini Aventador S was unveiled last night here in Seattle. Great looking car. I am still not a fan of the front that has some what more rounded edgeson the spoilers then the crisp defined edges of the "Last SV", the 2010 LP670-4SV.

However of ALL things that BLEW me away was to my amazement...that after 7 years of development....the NEW "S' was NOT that much faster then the 670-4SV.

The new car is 2.9sec in 0-62, while the 670-4SV is 3.0sec in 0-60. The top end of the 670-4SV is 213mph (with small wing) cant find a top end speed for the new S.

The 6704SV was produced to the amount of ONLY 186 units WORLD WIDE with only 42 to the USA States. Currently less then 35 remain in the USA.

The NEW "S" is way higher in production numbers as well as almost $200K more...looks a lot like the mass produced Aventdor and the Aventador SV, rounded lines, new style V12 block, different door opening angle, not a numbered plaque car and differnt exhaust note plus a lot more.

LP670-4SV.. Less expensive, less produced numbers, true DNA Lamborghini V12 block (last car to have it), TRUE Lambo doors that go straight up (last to have it), crisp angle lines, REAL V12 exhaust note with body styles UNIQUE to ONLY the LP670-4SV, individual plaque numbered cars plus so much more..

YEA..I guess I will stick with the "Last of the line" LP670-4SV collectible for down the road instead of the mass produced "another version" of the Aventador in a "S" skin.

I guess, at least for me, NEWER is NOT always better

PERFORMANCE C/D as tested:

Lamborghini LP670-4SV

0-60 mph: 3.0 sec

Zero to 100 mph: 7.2 sec

Standing ¼-mile: 11.2 sec

Top speed (drag limited mfr's claim): 209-213 mph

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Interesting points Roy and I do agree that in general Lambo's most current designs are not leaps ahead as they have been in the past. When the Countach came out or the Murcie etc. the designs were so advanced and ahead of its time. It seems the updates have been soft as of late.

I'm attending the Av S preview next week in L.A. but I agree the design seems rather soft. I did not know our LP670SV's were that fast in 0-60. But the raw sensation of the 670 is incomparable with these modern cars. It's not so much about the race for speed anymore IMO, but rather the emotion the driving experience gives you.

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You can not help but give a sales pitch, it's in your DNA LOL

 

I like the Murci SV but I think you are just feeling nostalgic about it, it is simply a matter of preference what's better to you might not be to others and vice versa also on paper the stats might sound similar but the reality is totally different, the new cars are faster, handle better and stop quicker, have better electronics and appointments, also they can be bought new, are available to spec in your desired configuration and you won't have to pay a premium for them, now how much do you value those things I don't know but for the majority of the market out there including myself most of those things are very important.

 

If the new models weren't better, technologically superior there will be no continuity to the business and that goes for pretty much every product out there.

 

 

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I can understand the dissapointment in terms of how the Aventador S is marketed.

It's a trend that has been going for sometime (also noticeably with Ferrari) where you get non accurate or vague details of how the car will perform/drive. Also the way Lambo and Ferrari number limited cars is just a shame, putting that 1 of xxx produced.

 

Lambo likes to underrate thier cars in the official spec sheets a lot nowadays. The Huracan for example is claimed to do 0-60 in 3.2 sec, but from the magazine tests it seems to be doing 2.8 secs on avarage run. Even a stock LP700 Aventador is capable of doing 2.8 secs from 0-60. Top speed wise Aventador has been tested by Sport Auto running 354 km/h/220 mph.

Video for it:

 

SV seems to be even faster in the top end when compared to the LP 700 (from a few drag races that we have). Something worth noting is that the A SV has a lot of fixed aero parts which isn't an advantage in terms of straight line speed. Aventador S on the other hand will likely be as fast as an SV, because it doesn't have the aero disadvantage, but it has the power advantage (though it weights the same as an LP 700.)

 

I agree of what you said about the Murcielago SV. For me the Murcie SV is way more worth than what one costs today. It is also for me the best all around Lamborghini ever built. In my eyes it is just a perfection and the very defenition of what a Lamborghini is. It's upsetting how it is sort of being put in an underdog position nowadays.

 

Sorry for a lengthy post, but my advice for taking in the Aventador S would be to think of it as the evolution that Murcielago underwent from the LP 580 to the LP640. The starting price of an A S is $425k in Muricca btw. Stick with the Murcie SV for as long as you can, it something truly special, almost irreplacable with something else.

 

One thing that I would give to Lambo is how they thought of the Aventador SV's owners, unlike Ferrari who gave a damn about the TDF with the Superfast F12.

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I think to own ANY Lamborghini is a privilege very few get to experience. I guess I just expected so much more from the "s" then I saw. I fell in love with my SV, took delivery of it in June of 2009...from my research was the 2nd one to be delivered in the USA at the time. I never even considered the Aventador when it came out in 2012 as I was totally content with my SV. Same case with he SV and the roadster....but the S...I thought 7-8 years later, have to check it out.

 

I think it comes down to different strokes for differnt folks.. they are ALL fantastic cars, just for diffferent reasons and differnt persons...

 

By the way, just FYI, Car and Driver rated the LP670-4SV at 2.8 sec in 0-60 AND from the way my car #12 drives...I would second that...but maybe its because its broke in with 30K plus miles, or maybe that it is 82lbs lighter due to its 6 speed GATED gear box :)

 

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Dont kid yourself, an Aventador S will handily pull away from a Murcielago SV, as it will also out brake and out handle it. It will also be far more consistent in the numbers it puts down. That being said, the Avey is just another production Lambo, the Murci SV will always be more special.

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The Aventador is going to embarrass a stock Murci in a straight line (6.2, LP640, LP650, LP670, Reventon), especially with three pedals. When turns are involved, the Murci is going to be even further back.

 

LP670 has the collector status and I like the Murci better overall, but the Aventador is a better built (and faster) car.

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The Aventador is going to embarrass a stock Murci in a straight line (6.2, LP640, LP650, LP670, Reventon), especially with three pedals. When turns are involved, the Murci is going to be even further back.

 

LP670 has the collector status and I like the Murci better overall, but the Aventador is a better built (and faster) car.

 

Well said. Roy points to one metric only and says the car isn't improved. Yet if you look at many other metrics the A kills the 670. The suspension, the improvements of the aero, the stiffness of the carbon tub etc.

 

For all but the most skilled drivers the Aventador would kill an SV, but as Whiteout points out, the rawness of the SV gives it collectors status. I'd love an AV but as a second exotic, I wouldn't trade my LP for one even straight up.

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Roy do you have some SV's in stock :icon_mrgreen: ?

 

No doubt the SV is a great car however already a normal Aventador kills it in every performance aspect. It's a good three seconds faster to 300 km/h and as well at least one second to 200 Km/h. Lap time on the Nuerburgring is considerably faster as well. The Aventador S will be even better than the Aventador. Just think about the clunky e-gear in the SV.

 

Don't misunderstand me: I love the SV and would prefer it to the Aventador S because the SV is a more emotional car. However the Aventador S is a much more modern and faster car. With regards to the prices of the SV: It's pure supply and demand and at the moment the SV is not in big demand. I'm a bit surprised about this as well.

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You can not help but give a sales pitch, it's in your DNA LOL

 

I like the Murci SV but I think you are just feeling nostalgic about it, it is simply a matter of preference what's better to you might not be to others and vice versa also on paper the stats might sound similar but the reality is totally different, the new cars are faster, handle better and stop quicker, have better electronics and appointments, also they can be bought new, are available to spec in your desired configuration and you won't have to pay a premium for them, now how much do you value those things I don't know but for the majority of the market out there including myself most of those things are very important.

 

If the new models weren't better, technologically superior there will be no continuity to the business and that goes for pretty much every product out there.

:iamwithstupid: go drive them back to back and report back to us. they are completely different animals.

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why are you posting magazine 0-60 times or top speed? who cares. in the real world the aventador S will destroy the murci SV in a drag race or around a track. its better from a technological standpoint in every way. the interior is light years better, and I can't understand your point about "rounded edges" the Aventador is a very crisp and angular design. $200k more? this car is $650k? because 670 SVs were 450+ back in 2010. so dont think so.

 

i'll give you that the 670 sounds better and has better doors and is rarer. ok.

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why are you posting magazine 0-60 times or top speed? who cares. in the real world the aventador S will destroy the murci SV in a drag race or around a track. its better from a technological standpoint in every way. the interior is light years better, and I can't understand your point about "rounded edges" the Aventador is a very crisp and angular design. $200k more? this car is $650k? because 670 SVs were 450+ back in 2010. so dont think so.

 

i'll give you that the 670 sounds better and has better doors and is rarer. ok.

 

 

I never said the Murcie SV was faster then the Avent S...I said that I am surprised its only a time difference that the every day person WOULD never be able to tell apart. Also go look at the front air dams and bumper of the Avent S compared to the Murci SV and ALL LP640 cars..you will see the air dams have a more rounded edge on them, not the crisp cut fold over lines as the Murcie SV...and YES, it is $200K more as I look at it...plug in $450K from July 2009, (LP670-4 MSRP advertised) and see what that is worth today...AND then go ahead and option out a Avent S and you can see dollar to dollar TODAY comparison is almost $200K more then the Murcie SV dollar to dollar.

 

I said and will say it again..in 5-10 years, the Murcie SV will still be worth more then the Avent S...PERIOD..there is no question there...even today you have Murcie SV cars trading for MORE then LP700 Aventadors...why, due to its rarity in numbers and its LAST DNA true Lamborghini. This does NOT mean the Avent S does not have a place in the market, BUT it does mean to me that it is NOT a future collectible car at all. I am sure it is a BLAST and a half to drive...but sooner or latter, its traded in for the next "quick gratification" rocket ship.

 

The Murcie SV...that is a car that involves the driver EACH and EVERY time you get in...

 

Of course, as with every thing, this is just what I think and feel....everyone is entitled to their own feelings of course.

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I never said the Murcie SV was faster then the Avent S...I said that I am surprised its only a time difference that the every day person WOULD never be able to tell apart. Also go look at the front air dams and bumper of the Avent S compared to the Murci SV and ALL LP640 cars..you will see the air dams have a more rounded edge on them, not the crisp cut fold over lines as the Murcie SV...and YES, it is $200K more as I look at it...plug in $450K from July 2009, (LP670-4 MSRP advertised) and see what that is worth today...AND then go ahead and option out a Avent S and you can see dollar to dollar TODAY comparison is almost $200K more then the Murcie SV dollar to dollar.

 

I said and will say it again..in 5-10 years, the Murcie SV will still be worth more then the Avent S...PERIOD..there is no question there...even today you have Murcie SV cars trading for MORE then LP700 Aventadors...why, due to its rarity in numbers and its LAST DNA true Lamborghini. This does NOT mean the Avent S does not have a place in the market, BUT it does mean to me that it is NOT a future collectible car at all. I am sure it is a BLAST and a half to drive...but sooner or latter, its traded in for the next "quick gratification" rocket ship.

 

The Murcie SV...that is a car that involves the driver EACH and EVERY time you get in...

 

Of course, as with every thing, this is just what I think and feel....everyone is entitled to their own feelings of course.

 

 

You are correct in the fact that none of the Aventadors are truly future collectibles. Over 6000 have already been made and with production going on another 2-3 years we may talking 8000+ units. This is the reason i have not purchased one and most likely will wait to get the absolute last one hopefully an SV 2.0 or GTR version with 800hp. And if the next flagship car comes with forced induction etc I think then the outgoing Aventador may possibly have some future value. Other than that its is just an amazing looking fun car to have.

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I don't think you understand how much slower the LP670 is. A base LP700 gets to 120mph one full second faster than the LP670.

Quarter mile trap speeds: 640 - 127mph; 670 - 129mph; 700 - 136mph. The 700 traps 7mph faster than the egear 670, which is a HUGE difference.

 

I don't see how the Aventador S won't be a collectable car. It may have higher production numbers than previous V12 Lambos, but it's still a very unique car.

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I don't get the fascination with collectability maybe I am not old enough, also about value increase PLEASE, every single one of these cars the 670 SV included are not investments they are just money pits, unnecessary and the worse investment you can ever make, statistically looking at my situation if back in 2009 I spent the new value of a 670 SV on my regular business/investments now I would have at least 4 times that amount so based on that please come to me when the 670 SV will be at least $2mil and then I might get excited until then NONE of them are worthy of investment, they are God damn fun and I wouldn't be without one in my life but they are not good or smart financial investment.

 

A better way of putting is is that one would cost you less than the other to have fun with and enjoy, the way you should look at it, what's your cost of convenience, $50k, $100k, $200k etc. If you think you can only afford to burn a certain amount buy the one which you think it will help you do that personally since buying these cars is a financially dumb decision I always buy the one I like the most.

 

Also, the value increase, if any, can only be collected if you cash in your chips and if you cash your chips you lose what you love and if you can't replace it because it's rare what's the point in that? Now you got some more money in your bank and no toy to play with, what's the fun in that? It defeats the purpose of why I make money :icon_mrgreen:

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I don't get the fascination with collectability maybe I am not old enough, also about value increase PLEASE, every single one of these cars the 670 SV included are not investments they are just money pits, unnecessary and the worse investment you can ever make, statistically looking at my situation if back in 2009 I spent the new value of a 670 SV on my regular business/investments now I would have at least 4 times that amount so based on that please come to me when the 670 SV will be at least $2mil and then I might get excited until then NONE of them are worthy of investment, they are God damn fun and I wouldn't be without one in my life but they are not good or smart financial investment.

 

A better way of putting is is that one would cost you less than the other to have fun with and enjoy, the way you should look at it, what's your cost of convenience, $50k, $100k, $200k etc. If you think you can only afford to burn a certain amount buy the one which you think it will help you do that personally since buying these cars is a financially dumb decision I always buy the one I like the most.

 

Also, the value increase, if any, can only be collected if you cash in your chips and if you cash your chips you lose what you love and if you can't replace it because it's rare what's the point in that? Now you got some more money in your bank and no toy to play with, what's the fun in that? It defeats the purpose of why I make money :icon_mrgreen:

 

 

Very well said and 100% correct...

 

I guess that's why I said I would just KEEP my SV and not move to the "so called up" Aventador "S"

 

The cost is not worth it to me to play with the 'S" I will just keep playing with my cheap "throw away" SV.... LOL

 

 

One thing I am pretty sure of, but of course there are NO GUARANTEES in life...just gambles...

 

When I go to cash in my chips....MY SV will get more chips in 5 years then a Aventador LP700. 720 SV and pretty sure more then a "S"

 

But we may never know as I have no intention of cashing the chips in on my SV....Love the Toy way to much.

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Very well said and 100% correct...

 

I guess that's why I said I would just KEEP my SV and not move to the "so called up" Aventador "S"

 

The cost is not worth it to me to play with the 'S" I will just keep playing with my cheap "throw away" SV.... LOL

 

 

One thing I am pretty sure of, but of course there are NO GUARANTEES in life...just gambles...

 

When I go to cash in my chips....MY SV will get more chips in 5 years then a Aventador LP700. 720 SV and pretty sure more then a "S"

 

But we may never know as I have no intention of cashing the chips in on my SV....Love the Toy way to much.

Aventador SVs are 750 BTW, not 720. Anniversaries are 720s

 

Av S and Murcie SV are two completely different animals.

 

Hey, some still love Van Halen while others now love Timberlake.

 

Some Countach lovers feel about Mucie SV like how you feel about the Aventadors

 

The 5 years I've been on Lambopower and Lambo-talk, I've never heard you once say you liked any of the Aventador variants. It's always your Murci SV this and your Murie SV that. That's OK, like you said different strokes for different folks.

 

I love Aventadors and some day maybe I'll get the luxury of owning a Murcie SV too to complete my double Lambo dream. I'm also not a fan of the Av S, but I'm excited to see the SV variant to the Av S series.

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Dont kid yourself, an Aventador S will handily pull away from a Murcielago SV, as it will also out brake and out handle it. It will also be far more consistent in the numbers it puts down. That being said, the Avey is just another production Lambo, the Murci SV will always be more special.

 

:iamwithstupid:

 

 

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I don't think you understand how much slower the LP670 is. A base LP700 gets to 120mph one full second faster than the LP670.

Quarter mile trap speeds: 640 - 127mph; 670 - 129mph; 700 - 136mph. The 700 traps 7mph faster than the egear 670, which is a HUGE difference.

 

I don't see how the Aventador S won't be a collectable car. It may have higher production numbers than previous V12 Lambos, but it's still a very unique car.

 

How many Av S's will be produced?

That will have a clear determinant on collectibility.

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I don't get the fascination with collectability maybe I am not old enough, also about value increase PLEASE, every single one of these cars the 670 SV included are not investments they are just money pits, unnecessary and the worse investment you can ever make, statistically looking at my situation if back in 2009 I spent the new value of a 670 SV on my regular business/investments now I would have at least 4 times that amount so based on that please come to me when the 670 SV will be at least $2mil and then I might get excited until then NONE of them are worthy of investment, they are God damn fun and I wouldn't be without one in my life but they are not good or smart financial investment.

 

A better way of putting is is that one would cost you less than the other to have fun with and enjoy, the way you should look at it, what's your cost of convenience, $50k, $100k, $200k etc. If you think you can only afford to burn a certain amount buy the one which you think it will help you do that personally since buying these cars is a financially dumb decision I always buy the one I like the most.

 

Also, the value increase, if any, can only be collected if you cash in your chips and if you cash your chips you lose what you love and if you can't replace it because it's rare what's the point in that? Now you got some more money in your bank and no toy to play with, what's the fun in that? It defeats the purpose of why I make money :icon_mrgreen:

 

I agree with you on most points, but I am in this odd point in my collection where I do think about collectibility and value with my cars. Not so much as investments but I do want more rare cars to own with more "value". I don't want the latest and greatest unless there is something of significant advancement. The Av S doesn't seem to do that.

I got lucky on my CGT...got it just before the unfortunate Paul Walker incident and it has appreciated so, yes I'm a bit more selective about when and where I drive it. On the other hand, my 16M has 18K miles on it and I drive the wheels off that car - some say it is appreciating but I don't care because I love driving this car.

My Murcie SV, still love driving it. Will it go up? Maybe, but may be a while.

We pick and choose what car "speaks" to us. But we all "collect" with different purpose and different perspectives on value. Nothing wrong with having a garage queen (shit I'd love to haba DB5!) as long as you drive the shit out of the cars that make

You feel like McQueen behind the wheel.

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