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Presidential Election
Who do you support?
Hillary Clinton [ 28 ] ** [17.28%]
Donald Trump [ 126 ] ** [77.78%]
Gary Johnson [ 7 ] ** [4.32%]
Jill Stein [ 1 ] ** [0.62%]
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abolfaz
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QUOTE (kinnsella @ May 26 2017, 07:51 PM) *
And he is the one that proposed the back channel to Russia which he didn't disclose.



On another note, the state attorney down here has Bannon dead to rights on voter fraud and tax evasion, why hasn't a democratic female state attorney pulled the trigger on him and why hasn't this story gained more traction in the media?


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Never mind...

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From 2014 to 2016, Bannon claimed three times on voter forms to live in Florida. At the time, Bannon maintained a California driver’s license, owned property and businesses in that state and spent much of his time outside of Florida, prosecutors found.

“This investigation revealed evidence that tends to indicate that the Subject did not intend to or actually reside in Miami-Dade County,” Assistant State Attorney Devon Helfmeyer wrote in a seven-page memo closing out the investigation.

The prosecutors also said their decision not to file criminal charges was based on the state’s fuzzy legal definition of “reside.” They said there was “reasonable doubt” that Bannon willfully gave false information about his residency to election officials.


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Jesus...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the...m=.b2d4e13b8718


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post Yesterday, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE (kmb58 @ May 26 2017, 03:51 PM) *
♥️♥️♥️ From the McRonalds drive through..


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http://www.dailywire.com/news/16850/study-...aign=benshapiro
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QUOTE (abolfaz @ May 26 2017, 05:13 PM) *

It's telling me I have to subscribe to see the article. There's no way that's going to happen. Can you post the text
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Open it in an incognito window


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The next fucker who hits the "report" button on this thread is getting my foot up your ass...


And read the fucking stickies god damnit!.


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I'm having a hard time with this. Kushner's family is in China begging for investment money, Kushner himself is courting banks to raise $ to bail out 666 yet his father in law is a billionaire? It seems to me if trump was worth as much as they claim, he could just throw a few sheckles over to Jared and help them out?


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QUOTE (abolfaz @ May 26 2017, 06:45 PM) *
I'm having a hard time with this. Kushner's family is in China begging for investment money, Kushner himself is courting banks to raise $ to bail out 666 yet his father in law is a billionaire? It seems to me if trump was worth as much as they claim, he could just throw a few sheckles over to Jared and help them out?


So how bad do you really hate Trump?
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I mean really? I'm ok with him. I don't trust any news these days
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QUOTE (kmb58 @ May 26 2017, 11:51 PM) *
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I think it is great they have promoted you from the fries area to the drive thru window.
Onwards and upwards for you.


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QUOTE (abolfaz @ May 26 2017, 09:45 PM) *
I'm having a hard time with this. Kushner's family is in China begging for investment money, Kushner himself is courting banks to raise $ to bail out 666 yet his father in law is a billionaire? It seems to me if trump was worth as much as they claim, he could just throw a few sheckles over to Jared and help them out?


I've been questioning Trump's actual wealth (specifically being a billionaire) for over a decade.

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QUOTE (abolfaz @ May 26 2017, 09:45 PM) *
I'm having a hard time with this. Kushner's family is in China begging for investment money, Kushner himself is courting banks to raise $ to bail out 666 yet his father in law is a billionaire? It seems to me if trump was worth as much as they claim, he could just throw a few sheckles over to Jared and help them out?


Maybe Trump is letting his mostly sink/swim on his own. He will not be inclined to make good business decisions if he knows Father-in-Law Trump is always going to be there to bail him out.



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QUOTE (capt_chaos @ May 27 2017, 04:27 AM) *
I think it is great they have promoted you from the fries area to the drive thru window.
Onwards and upwards for you.




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I started on clean-up just like you guys, but now... See, I'm washing lettuce. Soon, I'll be on fries. Then the grill. In a year or two, I'll make assistant manager and that's where the big bucks start rolling in.

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QUOTE (WheelsRCool @ May 26 2017, 03:52 PM) *
"Free market economy" does not mean no government regulation.



What do you mean that you think free market economies "do" have "some" place in society? A free-market economy is the only form of economic system that works for a society. For those parts of society where you think the government should provide services, where do you think the government gets the revenues to provide them?

As for free market economies spiraling out of control if not controlled or watched, government regulation is needed yes, but the problem is that the GOVERNMENT itself can spiral out of control if not controlled or watched as well. And government regulation meant to prevent or fix problems in the market can often do the opposite. Regulate too much for example and you create an environment ripe for big businesses to take over and get into bed with the government.


I suppose the "spirit" of a free market economy is more suitable for a need in society, in that people should have the ability to produce/sell a product/service to the market. However, you are correct in that it's no longer free with gov't intervention, but then allows for monopolies to be created, which may also hinder society's entrepreneurial spirit.

Businesses exist to make a profit, and gov't exits to serve the people. As soon as intentions shift (such as gov't becoming business/profit-oriented) does this create conflicts of interest, which I think people are concerned about. Frankly, it seems all sizes of corruption will always occur whether it's within business or government.

Out of curiosity, how would you pitch the need for deregulation to those for protection against child labor or the environment?
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QUOTE (DrummingCannoli @ May 27 2017, 01:14 PM) *
I suppose the "spirit" of a free market economy is more suitable for a need in society, in that people should have the ability to produce/sell a product/service to the market. However, you are correct in that it's no longer free with gov't intervention, but then allows for monopolies to be created, which may also hinder society's entrepreneurial spirit.

Businesses exist to make a profit, and gov't exits to serve the people. As soon as intentions shift (such as gov't becoming business/profit-oriented) does this create conflicts of interest, which I think people are concerned about. Frankly, it seems all sizes of corruption will always occur whether it's within business or government.


What I find interesting is how you say, "I suppose the spirit of a free market economy is more suitable for a need in society..." this gives the impression that you are implying that there are alternative solutions for the solving of societal needs. What would these be? Yes, certain things the government can do (and even should do), but for most societal needs, the only solution is the private economy/free market. The only alternative would be the government and that has never worked.

Also a market economy can have government regulation and still basically be a free market. It just won't be a completely free-market.

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Out of curiosity, how would you pitch the need for deregulation to those for protection against child labor or the environment?


Well for one, point out that deregulation does not mean doing away with all regulations (deregulate does not mean unregulated). Also, it depends on what regulations we are talking about. I don't know of anyone arguing that laws against child labor are hampering business. Regarding the environment, the environment is important, but for some it is a religion essentially and they seek to regulate the economy to an absurd degree.


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QUOTE (WheelsRCool @ May 27 2017, 11:56 AM) *
What I find interesting is how you say, "I suppose the spirit of a free market economy is more suitable for a need in society..." this gives the impression that you are implying that there are alternative solutions for the solving of societal needs. What would these be? Yes, certain things the government can do (and even should do), but for most societal needs, the only solution is the private economy/free market. The only alternative would be the government and that has never worked.

Also a market economy can have government regulation and still basically be a free market. It just won't be a completely free-market.



Well for one, point out that deregulation does not mean doing away with all regulations (deregulate does not mean unregulated). Also, it depends on what regulations we are talking about. I don't know of anyone arguing that laws against child labor are hampering business. Regarding the environment, the environment is important, but for some it is a religion essentially and they seek to regulate the economy to an absurd degree.


By free market economy, I'm using the definition that it's a system where the prices of goods and services are determined by the open market without any government intervention. I figured that *any* type of regulation would be considered as intervention. By this, even something such as child labor (using as an example) would prevent it from being classified as a free market. Therefore, shifting to a free market would mean the removal of these types of laws.

And yes, I agree that a purely government-ran economy wouldn't work, as shown by previously fascist countries.

As for the environment, I'm also seeing your point with how officials may use it to steer the economy. Deforestation for exploitation of land, I believe, is something worth preventing, and while businesses may view this as an opportunity for growth and profit, it does have significant negative impacts to its surroundings. Another example would be the BP oil spill. In my opinion, these are examples where the government needed to intervene to protect the environment. Plus, sustainable energy is becoming the primary energy source in countries such as Germany, thus creating jobs.

Just my two cents. I'm happy to share thoughts/viewpoints elsewhere in case this is a deviation from the threads topic.
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