2018 GT500

Hello everyone,

 

I talked to my Ford dealer today and got my name (second) on the list for the new GT500. Dealer normally has two to three slots for the limited Shelby models, so I should be in. I am excited about the car. It is supposedly a TTed 5.0 V8 (840 HP), no rear seats, factory roll cage, more aggressive exterior styling, Recaro race seats, larger fixed rear wing, direct injection, and a dual clutch transmission. Anyway, I am curious what you all think of the GT500 rumors so far and if anyone else is trying to get one?

 

Cheers,

 

RobberBaron

I think they knocked it out of the park on the GT350R. If they follow that path but with more power it can't lose.

 

A lot of people have been watching this car closely. If they do go with a V8TT, it could easily transfer over to the Raptor.

 

Congrats on the build slot. Any clue what color you are going with?

Congrats on the possible allocation, Sheldon! That said, I think you should go for something unconventional compared to what most people purchase. I think this Shelby will definitely be the first of its kind as it's coming stock from the factory turbocharged and may one day very well be a collectible. If it were myself, I'd get something in a modern day Eleanor configuration, not to sound cliche, but you rarely see any modern day mustangs in that color scheme. I know how much you love your other Mustang, so get something you'll want to hold onto forever!

As many have said with ford killing it on the GT350 all eyes are on the GT500.

The rumor mills have been going full tilt on this car, i have heard what robberbaron has heard i have also heard that the car will have a TT verions of the gt350 voodoo engine with north of 800 hp and that it wont be a hardcore track/stripped out car as that is the Gt350r's role and that it will be a very fast muscle car cruiser. Either way it has the potential to be a very cool car.

Everything I'm reading is still pointing towards a supercharged V8: http://www.fordboost.com/content.php?7923-...d-Mustang-GT500

 

I'd also be shocked to see them go with a DCT in the GT500 over the GT350. A huge torque application also doesn't seem like the best time/place to introduce a DCT to a brand. Do we know when the official reveal will be?

Hello everyone,

 

I talked to my Ford dealer today and got my name (second) on the list for the new GT500. Dealer normally has two to three slots for the limited Shelby models, so I should be in. I am excited about the car. It is supposedly a TTed 5.0 V8 (840 HP), no rear seats, factory roll cage, more aggressive exterior styling, Recaro race seats, larger fixed rear wing, direct injection, and a dual clutch transmission. Anyway, I am curious what you all think of the GT500 rumors so far and if anyone else is trying to get one?

 

Cheers,

 

RobberBaron

 

Literally virtually every word of that is wrong. But it will be a very fast car.

Literally virtually every word of that is wrong. But it will be a very fast car.

 

 

I literally lol'd

Literally virtually every word of that is wrong. But it will be a very fast car.

 

Just what my dealer told me. If that is wrong, what have you heard?

Any clue what color you are going with?

 

Not sure. I haven't seen anything official on the colors, but the crazier the better.

 

I know how much you love your other Mustang, so get something you'll want to hold onto forever!

 

Thank you! Hopefully it all works out.

Just what my dealer told me. If that is wrong, what have you heard?

 

Ford dealers have an amazing ability to make stuff up. It's painful.

 

Can't really say anything beyond the fact it's going to be fast and look nasty.

Ford dealers have an amazing ability to make stuff up. It's painful.

 

Can't really say anything, but it's going to be fast and look nasty.

 

Lol, sounds good to me. If it is fast and nasty they still have my money. This current gen of Ford performance cars is fantastic, so I would expect nothing less on the GT500. Looking at your list of cars, I assume you will be gunning for one too?

Lol, sounds good to me. If it is fast and nasty they still have my money. This current gen of Ford performance cars is fantastic, so I would expect nothing less on the GT500. Looking at your list of cars, I assume you will be gunning for one too?

 

Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure it's gonna be awesome but after the new GT, the toy budget will be busted for years.

 

I really, really like the GT350R. I would pretty much put the R up against literally anything in terms of "fun to drive." Not trying to sound ridiculous, but hopping out of something like a 650S, outside of the pure speed factor, the R is more entertaining to drive IMO. If they manage to translate even 80% of the special-ness from that car, it will be ballistic, because it's going to be a shitload faster.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure it's gonna be awesome but after the new GT, the toy budget will be busted for years.

 

I really, really like the GT350R. I would pretty much put the R up against literally anything in terms of "fun to drive." Not trying to sound ridiculous, but hopping out of something like a 650S, outside of the pure speed factor, the R is more entertaining to drive IMO. If they manage to translate even 80% of the special-ness from that car, it will be ballistic, because it's going to be a shitload faster.

 

I agree. The new FGT is a fantastic machine. I have been lucky enough to see it four or five times now, and it takes my breath away every time. I get where you are coming from on the R. As a car guy, that is exactly what makes a car great in my eyes. It doesn't have to be the most expensive, fastest, etc. just has to make me smile. I appreciate the info and good luck on the FGT!

Literally virtually every word of that is wrong. But it will be a very fast car.

 

 

 

That's exactly what came to mind!

Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure it's gonna be awesome but after the new GT, the toy budget will be busted for years.

 

I really, really like the GT350R. I would pretty much put the R up against literally anything in terms of "fun to drive." Not trying to sound ridiculous, but hopping out of something like a 650S, outside of the pure speed factor, the R is more entertaining to drive IMO. If they manage to translate even 80% of the special-ness from that car, it will be ballistic, because it's going to be a shitload faster.

 

Yeah, the GT350( R ) is a ridiculous machine by all accounts from fun to drive point of view. You buy your new exotic for reasons you buy exotics, but get a GT350( R) (or Z/28 or Gran Sport) for driving purity.

 

Focus RS for similar levels of fun in a front drive platform. It's also drawing many rave reviews.

 

I've come to appreciate the '14 GT500 a lot more lately, so can only imagine what the upcoming one will be like. Truth be told I'm more biased towards GM for the high HP supercharged tourers, and prefer Ford for the more track focused versions, but will wait to see what comes out.

 

Ford on a roll lately.

Isn't the focus rs 4 wheel drive?

 

 

Exactly what came to mind when reading the original post.

 

 

Isn't the focus rs 4 wheel drive?

 

Yes.

Yes.

 

Still a FWD *platform* based on what standard Focuses are, and probably isn't a 90/10 rear wheel bias AWD split like an exotic.

 

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/heres-how-th...orks-1683508180

 

The control unit in the rear drive unit continuously varies the front/rear and side-to-side torque distribution to suit the current driving situation, monitoring inputs from multiple vehicle sensors 100 times per second. A maximum of 70 percent of the drive torque can be diverted to the rear axle. Up to 100 percent of available torque at the rear axle can be sent to each rear wheel.

 

Remember, people are comparing this car to legit RWD sports cars not other hot hatches.

 

Try again.

As far as fun to drive and the focus rs, post 30 here is the ultimate statement IMO...

http://www.lambopower.com/forum/index.php?...9832&st=0#

Still a FWD *platform* based on what standard Focuses are, and probably isn't a 90/10 rear wheel bias AWD split like an exotic.

 

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/heres-how-th...orks-1683508180

 

 

 

Remember, people are comparing this car to legit RWD sports cars not other hot hatches.

 

Try again.

 

Huh? It can send 70% of power to the rear wheels. That is a an AWD car. Where is it stated exotics need to have a 90/10 split? And what exotics do have a 90/10 split? Even the Aventador will only go 80/20.

 

 

Huh? It can send 70% of power to the rear wheels. That is a an AWD car. Where is it stated exotics need to have a 90/10 split? And what exotics do have a 90/10 split? Even the Aventador will only go 80/20.

 

Sure, never said it wasn't an AWD car.

 

It's just that the standard Ford Focus is a FWD platform just like VW GTIs, Mini Coopers, Fiat 500s, and whenever they make AWD versions of these cars they're not quite the same as RWD based cars that go AWD.

 

The 90/10 torque split I recall reading about somewhere....and apparently the Huracan offers up to 90/10 from 60/40:

 

http://www.huracantalk.com/forums/general-...t-vs-corsa.html

 

The Ferrari FF can supposedly do a little more than 80% to the rear wheels.

 

True AWD platforms like the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution & Subaru WRX (cars that are only offered with AWD with no FWD/RWD variants) are even more different:

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/why-d...fferent-feature

 

The Subaru employs an electromagnetic clutch on the center differential. Under normal driving conditions, say you're just cruising down the interstate, the diff clutch is disengaged, and 65 percent of the engine power is routed to the rear wheels, with the remaining 35 to the front (a 35/65 front-to-rear split). The car's engine computer adjusts that center-diff clutch, based on information from the yaw-rate and throttle-position sensors, and can send as much as 50 percent of engine torque to the front wheels. So the Subaru varies the torque split between 50/50 and 35/65. The driver can also manually select the torque split via a center-console switch.

 

The Mitsubishi, on the other hand, never sends the majority of engine torque to the rear axle. Instead, it can send all the engine torque to the front wheels or 50 percent of it (using an electrohydraulic clutch on the center diff). So the Evo varies the front-to-rear torque split between 100/0 and 50/50. In addition to the yaw-rate and throttle-position sensors, the Evo has a steering-wheel-angle sensor that also provides the computer with information.

 

So clearly there are differences between all the different platforms going to AWD, even if they technically all drive all 4 wheels. The AWD cars based off RWD platforms tend to vary between 60/40 to 80/20 rear biased, while the FWD platforms more like 50/50 to 70/30, front biased. I found one or two that can go 90%+ to the front wheels.

 

The basic premise is that most manufacturers tend to make their FWD based AWD cars still more of an FWD car, and vice versa with RWD variants.

 

Here's a link discussing how the Quattro for the majority of Audi/VW vehicles are different than the one for the R8 in terms of torque splits:

 

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?...ed-torque-split

 

Of course there are probably exceptions here and there, with the Focus RS being one of them. It's more akin to a WRX.

 

Hope that clears it up.

 

Just as a friendly reminder, I'm not a huge fan of AWD so I've been keeping track of this seemingly trivial information the last 20+ years. Anything that is more RWD biased gets my attention.

I read this today: "According to a certain report, Ford Performance will tack a 2.6-liter Eaton-type supercharging system on the 5.2-liter Voodoo V8 engine, thus upping the ante to 750 HP at the least, 810 HP tops. If this notion turns to fruition, then the 2019 Shelby GT500 will be crowned king of the muscle cars."

 

I am not sure if it is anything past another rumor, but it sounds pretty sweet.

I read this today: "According to a certain report, Ford Performance will tack a 2.6-liter Eaton-type supercharging system on the 5.2-liter Voodoo V8 engine, thus upping the ante to 750 HP at the least, 810 HP tops. If this notion turns to fruition, then the 2019 Shelby GT500 will be crowned king of the muscle cars."

 

I am not sure if it is anything past another rumor, but it sounds pretty sweet.

 

And Dodge already responded, it will be sweet, but it doesn't look like it will be king for long.

I read this today: "According to a certain report, Ford Performance will tack a 2.6-liter Eaton-type supercharging system on the 5.2-liter Voodoo V8 engine, thus upping the ante to 750 HP at the least, 810 HP tops. If this notion turns to fruition, then the 2019 Shelby GT500 will be crowned king of the muscle cars."

 

I am not sure if it is anything past another rumor, but it sounds pretty sweet.

 

 

And Dodge already responded, it will be sweet, but it doesn't look like it will be king for long.

 

That's pretty sweet.

 

Question is how much will they have to drop the compression ratio and such to make it work?