Kriessieg system, MS, Tubi, Larini etc...

See! I have been telling you guys the truth about their system "without insulting their products that much" but no one heard me I am exhaust freak and have been driving horses and bulls with modified exhaust. Having moved to Japan few years ago, I have been seeing their system installed and also even DEVELOPED on my friend's cars. Especially I have heard complaints from the person who lend Gallardo to them to develop Gallardo system. I wouldn't talk about the details but I have known those problems for a year. Not only it loses torque or power, I have heard the sales guys of them came into official lambo dealer and stated clearly that it lits check engine and the vulve is not strong enough to keep working over thousands of miles. Those were answers to the Lambo sales guys regarding system from a person who came to sell their exhaust system to the dealer!!! I have seen, installed, heard and driven almost 5 or 6 exhaust system for each Lambo, Gallardo, Murcielago, and Diablo. If you would like to know what happened, I will tell you guys personally. This is the most I can do here for you guys.

I own several car related business perosnally, however, I am shouting for my buddies here as one of Lambo fans. No offence to the members of Lambo-Power, who has dealership liscense in US. I also tried MS racing, Onishi heat magic, Tubi, and Larini on Gallardo and Murcielago.

Ugh, should I delete this thread? If I should, please do it, moderator.

Why do you want to delete it?

why do you wana delete it?

I thought K system is a sponsor of this forum or something because I see its name here a lot.

I thought K system is a sponsor of this forum or something because I see its name here a lot.

 

So what.That doesn't take away from your personal experience and you certainly have the right to your opinion.

You have PM

Yo, I replied to your PM

As true numbers I have seen on dyno, one Diablo had only 440 hps only with K system. FYI.

See! I have been telling you guys the truth about their system "without insulting their products that much" but no one heard me I am exhaust freak and have been driving horses and bulls with modified exhaust. Having moved to Japan few years ago, I have been seeing their system installed and also even DEVELOPED on my friend's cars. Especially I have heard complaints from the person who lend Gallardo to them to develop Gallardo system. I wouldn't talk about the details but I have known those problems for a year. Not only it loses torque or power, I have heard the sales guys of them came into official lambo dealer and stated clearly that it lits check engine and the vulve is not strong enough to keep working over thousands of miles. Those were answers to the Lambo sales guys regarding system from a person who came to sell their exhaust system to the dealer!!! I have seen, installed, heard and driven almost 5 or 6 exhaust system for each Lambo, Gallardo, Murcielago, and Diablo. If you would like to know what happened, I will tell you guys personally. This is the most I can do here for you guys.

I own several car related business perosnally, however, I am shouting for my buddies here as one of Lambo fans. No offence to the members of Lambo-Power, who has dealership liscense in US. I also tried MS racing, Onishi heat magic, Tubi, and Larini on Gallardo and Murcielago.

 

Good stuff, I would enjoy hearing what the issues were and then confirm whether they have been addressed or not.

 

The only one I can speak of is the "Check Engine Lights"....... There were significant changes made to the system and as the result my gal has remained free of lights for the full 600 plus miles that the system has been in place. This is driving her on the highways, through traffic, and almost all of it in F1 mode.

 

Still, I remain both receptive and appreciative when one shares his or her real time experiences.

 

Thank you

 

Shadowman

I also tried MS racing, Onishi heat magic, Tubi, and Larini on Gallardo and Murcielago.

 

Which was the best?

mmmm difficult question. It depends on what you want.

 

Regarding exhaust sound, Japanese people tend to prefer loud screaming sound even if it sounds cheap. I prefer throaty sound. I would say Gibson les paul compared to Fender telecaster in Guitar world. Tubi was relatively Ferrari-ish. Onishi heat magic had hollow sound and was terrible. Larini is throaty enough but not screaming enough compared to others.

 

Regarding performance, Japanese exhaust system even don't give a s**t about it. They just modify exhaust sound. I have seen how they develop systems and it is totally different from what I see at Tubi or others in Europe. They even don't take it to track before they sell it sometimes. Some Japanese exhaust systems even requires DYI to avoid heat problems. What I like was Tubi or Larini for performance.

 

As my PERSONAL preference, I settled with Larini for my Murcie and Galalrdo after TUBI. I have 20k total on two gallardos with Larini but no problem so far. Its sound is not my best yet, but I could feel the performance gain when I drive it. When I added test pipe to it, sound got less throaty but i sounds like fighter jet when you floor it. I wish I could add some more screaming taste to Larini but TUBI was too F-ish to me. I like TUBI for my Ferraris though!!!

 

It is really difficult. There were only few system that gains both of good sound and good performance. So my answer is I wish I could more high tone with my Larini without losing its throaty tone... What do you guys think?

Great comments based on your experiences......

 

Thanks again

 

Shadowman

I forgot to write about Murcie. I helped two of my Friends to switch their exhausts. One had K system and the other had TUBI. I didn't like K system on Murcie at all. It has lost all the deep and throaty bottom end of the exhaust sound of V12, on both of F1 and silent mode. Indeed, it was adding some high frequency to Murcie sound, but you can not even hear it when it is coming close to you when you are in the building. And don' forget, their system is too heavy to me haha.

 

Tubi soudned like Tubi. I just prefer more Lambo-ish throaty V12 sound. I am talking not about loundness but about the thickness of the sound. It is hard to create a throaty and loud sound without being cheap like ricer. Tubi sounded too "light" for mean-lambo Muricielago.

 

I settled with Larini for my Murcie, but it is just too loud even when it is idling.... It seems they are developing version 2 with chambers. I hope they make idling quieter. I personally think that sound is more lambo-ish. Just as my personal preference. It also gained enough power. You can feel it when you are climbing a slope. I have one slope I am clmbing almost 300 times a year and everytime I change my exhaust, I try that. Good systems climbs that slope withouht putting my foot on gas pedal. I call that slope a "exhaust performance challenge hill". haha

 

Anyway, I just don't like the fact that those manufacturer hiding their performance and heat problem and claims its sceaming sound. Japanese manufacturer tend to do it because their customer don't complain that much. If they clealy state that "Our system screams but loses HP and Torque, and lits check engine. It's up to you" I admire their honesty, but they never do it. That's why I like this forum because all the members talk honestly about after market parts.

 

Anyway, again, that's just my personal preference and not forcing anyone or not blaming any other products. I am just trying to share true numbers, impressions and results I had with those exhaust systems.

MurciGallardoTako, what do you think about MS racing?

Allan, if you are talking about only lambo systems, I say it is still F-ish to me. I prefer throaty bottom sound. I can not describe it but good exhaust (to me) makes me feel "accousticly pressured" when you accelarate on 1st gear. and also didn't feel that much performance difference or I would say it loses character of Lambo. Torque curve became more peaky and was not fun. I guess this is also just personal preference.

 

Their ferrari systems also loses bottom end of frequency and too sharp. No performance improvement neither for me. Just like other Japanese systems.

 

BTW, my favorite sound is DINAN M5 exhaust system.... That one has the best balance of loudness and acoustic pressure. Only for BMWs though I wouldn't say it would be good if they make systems for horses or bulls.

 

Allan, was MS the best for you so far?

BTW,

 

For honor of Lamborghini, I know that the Galalrdo in Best Motoring video had Onishi Heat magic with ugly aero parts was SLOWER than stock Gallardo. That exhaust was the reason why Keiichi said it is not acceralating from 100mph or so. I talked him and he also said he thought it was werid that it can not catch up with F430. That O system, especially the one on that Gallarod sounded terrible. It really sucked. I saw that one at lambo dealer and sounded much hollower and unclear. It is so unfomfortable when you drive it. It also has lost much torque and HPs. VERY SLOW.

 

One day, my partner found F430 on freeway in Osaka and they raced. He was driving my blue Galalrdo eGear with Larini sport cats and muffler. No other modificatoins. F430 was flooring on the straight and Blue Gallardo was following it. Gallardo was not even flooring. Gallardo caucht up with F430 easily and almost hit F430 from behind so he gave some ease on his right foot F430 was that slow compared to Gallardo on straight. I am not saying F430 is not a great car. Because I may buy one soon I just wanted to let you guys know that F430 is not that fast on straight. and.... GALLARDO ROCKS!!!

I had a tubi on my 6.0 and i MUCH prefer the looks and sound of the MS system that i replaced it with. The Tubi was a fine system , nothing wrong with it at all but i like the sound of the MS. I also looked into the larini system and wasnt that in love with it after hearing it up close. I actually prefer the deep raspy tone myself and to me the MS system has fit the bill perfectly. I guess its all personal prefernce. I have had no problems at all with my MS system at all. I would like to know what system give the most power though .

Maybe its just late, but I cant figure out what Tako is talking about... Some exhaust system is bad... But which one?

I would also like to add that the MS system has more scream at its peak. Murci Gallardo Tako .. I take it that you were refering to the K system with the "i told you so" but you also mentioned MS in there . Have you had any bad experience with them ? My system has been great !

Roman , there is a thread on F chat where Alex has had some technical issues with the K system and their unprofessional manner to take care of the problem.

ms racing all the way! :supz:

I agree Alex, I dont know any Dyno facts as i never baselined or dynoed my Tubi but i truly love the MS system. When the car is just cruising at low speed around 2K RPM it is a deep rumble that is pure music ! Did you guys every baseline a factory exhaust vs just the MS system ? Sorry to read and hear about the problem's that you guys had with the K system but i would like to say the my MS system was a perfect fit , easy to install, and has worked FLAWLESS since i installed it .

I forgot to write about Murcie. I helped two of my Friends to switch their exhausts. One had K system and the other had TUBI. I didn't like K system on Murcie at all. It has lost all the deep and throaty bottom end of the exhaust sound of V12, on both of F1 and silent mode. Indeed, it was adding some high frequency to Murcie sound, but you can not even hear it when it is coming close to you when you are in the building. And don' forget, their system is too heavy to me haha.

 

Tubi soudned like Tubi. I just prefer more Lambo-ish throaty V12 sound. I am talking not about loundness but about the thickness of the sound. It is hard to create a throaty and loud sound without being cheap like ricer. Tubi sounded too "light" for mean-lambo Muricielago.

 

I settled with Larini for my Murcie, but it is just too loud even when it is idling.... It seems they are developing version 2 with chambers. I hope they make idling quieter. I personally think that sound is more lambo-ish. Just as my personal preference. It also gained enough power. You can feel it when you are climbing a slope. I have one slope I am clmbing almost 300 times a year and everytime I change my exhaust, I try that. Good systems climbs that slope withouht putting my foot on gas pedal. I call that slope a "exhaust performance challenge hill". haha

 

Anyway, I just don't like the fact that those manufacturer hiding their performance and heat problem and claims its sceaming sound. Japanese manufacturer tend to do it because their customer don't complain that much. If they clealy state that "Our system screams but loses HP and Torque, and lits check engine. It's up to you" I admire their honesty, but they never do it. That's why I like this forum because all the members talk honestly about after market parts.

 

Anyway, again, that's just my personal preference and not forcing anyone or not blaming any other products. I am just trying to share true numbers, impressions and results I had with those exhaust systems.

 

Many good points; one of which hit home was the SES/Check engine light situation. As has been discussed this was brought to my attention prior to installing the Kreis-sieg system on my gal. It was immediately discussed with the folks at Kreis-sieg and they promptly made changes that addressed this issue....... I can verify this on the Gallardo and I have been told that similar changes were made to address the concern with some of the 360's too.

 

As for the sound...... the level of.....the style of.....etc. this remains subjective and is all over the place. For some they like the quiet exhaust and the ability to hear the mechanical nature of the engine....for others they simply want loud....... and then others have a certain pitch that is pleasnt to their ear.......... In much the same way as different musical artist are enjoyed by different folks.... At the moment based on the various systems that I have heard on the Gallardo the Kreis-sieg brings the style and level of music to my ears that I enjoy.

 

I think that Larini....Tubi....Kreis-sieg.....MS Racing....etc all have there place sadly howver for and by all too many they all become lumped together.

 

You openly shared that you have tried a few different systems on your Gallardos attmpting to find that perfect tone and sound level and after doing so you state that you are close..... Most folks will change their system.....maybe once. It is only once in a great while that you will read a thread where someone says "I removed the Tubi...... The Larini.......The MS Racing..... or the Kreis-sieg because it caused to much resonante noice in the cab......was not the sound that I was looking for etc"...........

 

I can still remember my first TR many years ago ......"Bone Stock" .......... looked stunning but sounded like crapola.......... I removed the pre-cats and installed the euro manifolds........ I removed the primary cats as the result of the ANZA back half that I installed and "DAMN" she sounded like she looked...... "WICKED"........ I had a similar experience with my Lotus Esprit's........ stunning cars to look at......... a feel once inside that was akin to a personal glove and drove like they were a fricken slot car....... and yet an exhaust sound that was terrible. In the case of the Lotus you could hear everything rattling and vibrating but no cool exhaust noise at all.

 

So what does this all mean??????? I think that folks will purchase boutique and personal items for their cars based on a picture they have in their head, a sound they expect to hear, and sadly all too often based on what "OTHER PEOPLE DO AND SUGGEST"......... The latter of these reasons is often times the basis for the greatest disappointment.

 

With regards to exhaust I think all of the system mentioned in this thread are worthy of consideration and based on the desired outcome and one's desire/ability to invest in the product will be thoroughly enjoyed.

 

In closing; like most I read the claims made by far too many companies and yet after all these years I do not fall prey to them; I simply smile. Most companies such as Lamborghini....Ferrari.....etc...... have their gals wound up fairly tight and if there was an easy 50 hp just sitting there .......... they would give it to you; why not?????

 

Shadowman

Roman , there is a thread on F chat where Alex has had some technical issues with the K system and their unprofessional manner to take care of the problem.

 

 

Well yeah.... That explains a lot... Could we get a link???

 

(by "K" we mean Kreisseig or Kries Serg, or whatever the hell it is... right? Im thinking of getting one of those for the CT... Bottom line it... Should I not? I mean, ive seen/heard that video of the CT... HOLY SHIT! :mrgreen: )

Murcie Gallardo Tako , have you ever seen any Dyno results for MS racing vs stock for the Diablo ? Or Alex .. did you guys ever do a baseline on the MS vs stock ? I dont feel any difference in the power gains over the tubi but i do like the looks and sound much better . Out of curiosity i am interested to see if there were any gains over stock . I do know that i drooped over 30 lbs by switching to MS over the tubi and tons of weight over the stock system. The titanium and the weight was one of the deciding factors in my going with MS.