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Jim G
post Jun 6 2018, 05:10 AM
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http://www.evo.co.uk/ferrari/ferrari-488-p...-488-live-up-to


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post Jun 6 2018, 07:22 AM
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QUOTE (Jim G @ Jun 6 2018, 06:10 AM) *


Ferrari reviews are meaningless. Customers cars very different.
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post Jun 6 2018, 08:14 AM
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Ferrari reviews are meaningless. Customers cars very different.


If you focus on the driving dynamics and not the power, not sure I see why a factory tuned car or not would matter.
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post Jun 6 2018, 08:54 AM
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If you focus on the driving dynamics and not the power, not sure I see why a factory tuned car or not would matter.


They mess with that too.
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post Jun 7 2018, 04:02 AM
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Notice how all 488 Pista reviews start with the same paragraph about hardcore V8 predecessors? All of them are structured the same way. It`s clear as day that all of these reviews are under Ferrari`s pay-roll. Ferrari dictates magazines what and how to write about their cars or else they get banned from reviewing their cars.
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post Jun 7 2018, 07:05 AM
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That's what the legal profession calls circumstantial evidence. lol.gif

Still though, Ferrari has been tampering for 30 years:

http://www.autozine.org/959/959_9.htm

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/c...-another-world/
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post Jun 14 2018, 04:45 AM
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Found this article on current lead Ferrari test driver Raffaele de Simone, written several years back:

https://www.thenational.ae/lifestyle/motori...rraris-1.501836

I don't think he's lying when he says that there's a difference between tuning for outright performance and tuning for feel.

I know from the audio world, there's definitely a difference between science and art and where you ultimately end up on the "emotional" scale.

And he was being PC when he said "not all of them" will reach their limits - more like 95% will not reach their limits, at least not without getting smashed. lol.gif


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At the time, De Simone was studying to be a mechanical engineer, something Ferrari officials were keen for him to continue. He finally finished his degree last year, and the knowledge helps him in his job. But it's knowledge he uses in a way you might not expect. "We have a lot of guys doing simulations. But, if I put my experience of an engineer in the testing, it can be dangerous, because I would start to test the car for the answer, not the behaviour. The request is not to confirm the theory, because then I would be the 70th person to confirm what the calculations and theories of science are saying. My job is different: my job is to test the car and give a subjective evaluation. Because they trust me - this is a point that makes Ferrari special: don't trust only the numbers, because we sell emotion, not numbers. And I can have the feedback that some calculations can be wrong for this car, because every car is different.

"So, I am the balance that says 'I know that you are right, but this is my feeling'. "My advantage in being an engineer is that I know how they think, how they make calculations and how they speak to each other. So if I have a feeling, I can tell him in a way that he understands." Earlier this year, De Simone was unleashed by Ferrari at the Nürburgring, where he flogged a 599XX around the famed, 21km circuit in six minutes, 58.16 seconds for a new lap record. But his job isn't all about pushing the limits in a supercar.

"Ferrari sometimes asks me to be fast, on the circuit. We work with the engineers to put the best performance into a Ferrari, but that's not the only target of our tests. Honestly, just about 20 per cent of our testing is spent on performance. Because we are building road cars (as opposed to racing cars) we need to build cars that deliver emotion before they reach their limits. Because not all of them will reach their limits.

"We work on feelings, on the senses - all five, the smell of the leather, the noise from the exhaust, the acceleration during gear shifting - these are all components that are under the limit. These are what I am 80 per cent focused on in the testing, to give soul to a car. That is not easy. It's much more difficult than going fast." But when he is pushed to perform at higher speeds, ultimately there is a danger that something will go wrong. If an engineer makes a mistake, he can erase it and start over, but not so much with a test driver.
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QUOTE (kinnsella @ Jun 6 2018, 08:22 AM) *
Ferrari reviews are meaningless. Customers cars very different.


The cars they provide the magazines for testing are the ones to own


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