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Since a few FF owners popped up thought it might be worth a shot to see if there are any Scud / 16M guys here.

 

It's becoming known as the modern day Holy Grail with the Super Fast gear box designed in coordination with Michael Schumacher one of the best balanced cars I have ever driven on the track outside the 360C.

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I saw the press Scud at the factory before it was released and got my dealers first one. It was so mind numbingly slow I gave it back after a week to sell. I have a friend with a 16M that gets regularly spanked by older Gallardos on cruises. It's embarrassing.

 

I don't understand the attraction one bit. At least the 360CS sounded good with a Tubi and the Speciale is a good car all around. They do look pretty good but I'd give up the little visual enhancements for some carpet and sound deadening. Of course they already nailed that formula and called it the 430 spider.

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Scud owner here. While I wouldn't say it's super fast by today's standards, I wouldn't call it slow either. But more importantly it's the experience of the drive that makes it unique. Many reiterate the same sentiment so we can't all be wrong. But it also doesn't hurt that the prices are going up either.

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Scud owner here. While I wouldn't say it's super fast by today's standards, I wouldn't call it slow either. But more importantly it's the experience of the drive that makes it unique. Many reiterate the same sentiment so we can't all be wrong. But it also doesn't hurt that the prices are going up either.

 

Only thing about the Scud that is super fast is the F1 - that's all I was referencing. IMO it's the best transmission ever made and the only other car that shares the same F1 is the 599 GTO.

 

Added the full Capristo system 40 -50 hp bump runs even with a 458.

 

Let's see the Scud.

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I saw the press Scud at the factory before it was released and got my dealers first one. It was so mind numbingly slow I gave it back after a week to sell. I have a friend with a 16M that gets regularly spanked by older Gallardos on cruises. It's embarrassing.

 

I don't understand the attraction one bit. At least the 360CS sounded good with a Tubi and the Speciale is a good car all around. They do look pretty good but I'd give up the little visual enhancements for some carpet and sound deadening. Of course they already nailed that formula and called it the 430 spider.

 

I call bullshit - the second Gallardo even has a bumped up kit.

 

 

 

Take it on a track and see what happens.

 

430 Spider ... the neighborhood bicycle is far from a Scud / 16M.

 

360 can take a 430 in the corners all day long at the track - the 360 also has a s l o w transmission.

 

Full Capristo fixes all the above issues.

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I call bullshit.

 

 

It may be a little faster - take it on a track and see what happens.

 

430 Spider ... the neighborhood bicycle is far from a Scud / 16M.

 

360 can take a 430 in the corners all day long at the track - the 360 also has a s l o w transmission.

 

Full Capristo fixes all the above issues.

BS on what? I don't think I understood a thing you typed above.

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I call bullshit - the second Gallardo even has a bumped up kit.

 

 

 

Take it on a track and see what happens.

 

430 Spider ... the neighborhood bicycle is far from a Scud / 16M.

 

360 can take a 430 in the corners all day long at the track - the 360 also has a s l o w transmission.

 

Full Capristo fixes all the above issues.

 

Nuvolari you crack me up sometimes :icon_mrgreen:

 

In your first vid the F car lost to a overweight Spyder Gallardo, weren't you meant to show a Gallardo losing? :icon_mrgreen:

 

I am a fan of the Scud, I like lightweight versions of full fat sports cars.

 

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Nuvolari you crack me up sometimes :icon_mrgreen:

 

In your first vid the F car lost to a overweight Spyder Gallardo, weren't you meant to show a Gallardo losing? :icon_mrgreen:

 

I am a fan of the Scud, I like lightweight versions of full fat sports cars.

 

My goal was simply finding other Scud owners.

 

Anyway - the two are pretty close which had to check out having never tracked or raced a Gallardo also the Gallado Spider didn't have a passenger and the Scud had a full tank of gas :)

 

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.... 16M that gets regularly spanked by older Gallardos on cruises. It's embarrassing ...

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The 16m is a great car and prices have sky rocketed as i'm SURE you know.

 

The regular scud i'm not a fan of as i think the 360 CS has more character, is far more raw and the Speciale looks better and obviously has newer and far better tech leaving the Scud in a redundant space between the middle - i think the used market has agreed as they're still very low on asking prices compared to other Ferrari's. I think the Scud will always have the lowest value of the V8 limited production but the 16m is the one to have from the 430 gen due to limited numbers and the raw experience it procures from the top down.

 

With that said, i'm selling my Speciale and the replacement is likely to be a 360 CS with another car yet tbd as i love the sound, looks and raw nature of the thing - even if it's tech is completely dated that defines it's chatacter.

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The 16m is a great car and prices have sky rocketed as i'm SURE you know.

 

The regular scud i'm not a fan of as i think the 360 CS has more character, is far more raw and the Speciale looks better and obviously has newer and far better tech leaving the Scud in a redundant space between the middle - i think the used market has agreed as they're still very low on asking prices compared to other Ferrari's. I think the Scud will always have the lowest value of the V8 limited production but the 16m is the one to have from the 430 gen due to limited numbers and the raw experience it procures from the top down.

 

With that said, i'm selling my Speciale and the replacement is likely to be a 360 CS with another car yet tbd as i love the sound, looks and raw nature of the thing - even if it's tech is completely dated that defines it's chatacter.

 

Why are you selling the Speciale, what don't you like about it ?

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Why are you selling the Speciale, what don't you like about it ?

 

I love the Speciale! I'm relocating to the US and as it's under 25 years old it's an absolute nightmare to bring it over. Ran the numbers and it's not worth it so if i'm selling it i'd like a change and will be likely to go for something i've not had before.

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I love the Speciale! I'm relocating to the US and as it's under 25 years old it's an absolute nightmare to bring it over. Ran the numbers and it's not worth it so if i'm selling it i'd like a change and will be likely to go for something i've not had before.

 

Makes sense, good luck with your move.

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Also wanted a Straddle very picky and finally found the right one.

 

Everyone knows the Roger Rhodas CGT story - his wife was selling "their" Red Staradale 3000 miles asking 210. Carbon who all Ferrari guys know found me the car and made a deal sent an LOI stating prices commission etc.

 

This was at the time they were going for 175 - 225 goal was to have a Straddle and 360C matching.

 

The wife somehow moved the car under the table to her brother - Carbon published the whole story on F Chat and F Life some cars were being contested and she was moving them secretly one by one. At that time their Saleen was also being sold but went for the Straddle. The Saleen actually did sell along with a few others. Last I heard the Walker - Rhodas families are fighting and all cars have a freeze have a feeling that at the end of the day they were Walkers cars that he gave or shared with Rhodas.

 

As long as I am on a Walker role. There was a couple shopping for a wedding ring - Walker over heard the couple the man was fresh out if the military and asked the couple if they could have any ring what would they choose. The lady picked a nice big beautiful ring Walker later left and called the jeweler requesting the owner to put the ring she picked on his account and asked to never mention where it came from. This story came from the jewelry store owner after Paul Walker passed.

 

Walker gave in the highest form possible - anonymous.

 

It is extremely hard to find a no stories excellent Straddle - good luck.

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The 16m is a great car and prices have sky rocketed as i'm SURE you know.

 

The regular scud i'm not a fan of as i think the 360 CS has more character, is far more raw and the Speciale looks better and obviously has newer and far better tech leaving the Scud in a redundant space between the middle - i think the used market has agreed as they're still very low on asking prices compared to other Ferrari's. I think the Scud will always have the lowest value of the V8 limited production but the 16m is the one to have from the 430 gen due to limited numbers and the raw experience it procures from the top down.

 

With that said, i'm selling my Speciale and the replacement is likely to be a 360 CS with another car yet tbd as i love the sound, looks and raw nature of the thing - even if it's tech is completely dated that defines it's chatacter.

 

 

Exactly this. The 360CS and the 458 Speciale/Ap are significantly better over all. The 360CS is more visceral, and the 458 Speciale is just superb.

 

The 16M is a limited Ferrari that depreciated, that's all you need to know. The 458 SAp's are trading for crazy money.

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Exactly this. The 360CS and the 458 Speciale/Ap are significantly better over all. The 360CS is more visceral, and the 458 Speciale is just superb.

 

The 16M is a limited Ferrari that depreciated, that's all you need to know. The 458 SAp's are trading for crazy money.

 

360 transmission is painfully slow but still a great Ferrari.

 

My 16M listed for 355k and is worth the same if not more my guess is a top notch 16M will hit 500k - while the Stradale listed for 225k also worth about what it originally listed for ... have no idea when you say the 16M depreciated and that is all you need to know means the car is one of very few if any that actually truly represent Ferrari F1.

 

The 16M was the last true Spider and represented the 16 F1 wins - the trophy the history the association with Schumacher all very cool.

 

The 458A - is spaghetti just like the 16M. Ferrari's lack of carbon fiber tubs and construction makes their convertibles flex neither the 16M or the 458A are going to do anything near the coupe.

 

I absolutely love my 16M - what it lacks in performance it more than makes up for in looks and sounds. The 458A appeal and high price is carried over from the 599 Aperta with the GTO engine - IMO ridiculously priced.

 

Before Brit loses his shit - the prices of these cars only matter when you buy and sell if you aren't doing either it's meaningless and I am not a seller. Ferrari prices headed north a long time ago as did others all this does is stop many owners from enjoying these machines.

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360 transmission is painfully slow but still a great Ferrari.

 

My 16M listed for 355k and is worth the same if not more my guess is a top notch 16M will hit 500k - while the Stradale listed for 225k also worth about what it originally listed for ... have no idea when you say the 16M depreciated and that is all you need to know means the car is one of very few if any that actually truly represent Ferrari F1.

 

The 16M was the last true Spider and represented the 16 F1 wins - the trophy the history the association with Schumacher all very cool.

 

The 458A - is spaghetti just like the 16M. Ferrari's lack of carbon fiber tubs and construction makes their convertibles flex neither the 16M or the 458A are going to do anything near the coupe.

 

I absolutely love my 16M - what it lacks in performance it more than makes up for in looks and sounds. The 458A appeal and high price is carried over from the 599 Aperta with the GTO engine - IMO ridiculously priced.

 

Before Brit loses his shit - the prices of these cars only matter when you buy and sell if you aren't doing either it's meaningless and I am not a seller. Ferrari prices headed north a long time ago as did others all this does is stop many owners from enjoying these machines.

 

16M's started at $313,350 in the US and currently exchange hands for under 290. So yeah, it deprecated. These are factual numbers from multiple dealers, collectors from all over the USA . The 16M and 430 Spiders all suffer from top failures too, good riddance to that design.

 

458 AP are trading for 250-300 over sticker. 458 speciale prices are at a plateau right now, but will rise again after 488 GTB owners dump their cars upon F12 TDF arrivals.

 

Don't lose your shit when you find out they made way more 16M's then Ferrari said :lol2:

 

 

 

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16M's started at $313,350 in the US and currently exchange hands for under 290. So yeah, it deprecated. These are factual numbers from multiple dealers, collectors from all over the USA . The 16M and 430 Spiders all suffer from top failures too, good riddance to that design.

 

458 AP are trading for 250-300 over sticker. 458 speciale prices are at a plateau right now, but will rise again after 488 GTB owners dump their cars upon F12 TDF arrivals.

 

Don't lose your shit when you find out they made way more 16M's then Ferrari said :lol2:

 

I didn't take my 458A option and cancelled the tdf for the SV roadster - so while price may determine what's hot not a fan of either but that's just me.

 

In 2009 Ferrari shuttered - dealers were canceling orders and the 16M was no different. There were 170 or so shipped to the US I have heard there were more made and don't dispute it as that is what Ferrari does but given the poor economy it just doesn't make sense at some point there will be a registry but I am positive 170 - 180 came to the US.

 

I was offered 370k for my 16M - maybe because it's Grigio Ferro CF rocker panels and luggage who knows but it was a real offer from a dealer that had a client and the only reason it came about was the same dealer where I cancelled the tdf knew I had it - again prices are meaningless unless someone is buying or selling was offered last week a Speciale at 10k over sticker with few miles was all over the place choosing a dd and went with the FF.

 

Prices on exotics are all over the place - used cars each has it's own story and desirability and new car prices are based on the history or relationships with the dealer. If I were in it for the money would have taken the 458A and Tdf.

 

Truly believe the SV roadster is the best new topless exotic.

 

 

 

 

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16M's started at $313,350 in the US and currently exchange hands for under 290. So yeah, it deprecated. These are factual numbers from multiple dealers, collectors from all over the USA . The 16M and 430 Spiders all suffer from top failures too, good riddance to that design.

 

458 AP are trading for 250-300 over sticker. 458 speciale prices are at a plateau right now, but will rise again after 488 GTB owners dump their cars upon F12 TDF arrivals.

 

Don't lose your shit when you find out they made way more 16M's then Ferrari said :lol2:

 

I was looking at them the other night tbh as they're nice cars for sub 300k i thought, until i noticed that 16m's are all listed at 350k + with three advertised at 400+

 

Mad money and the car's no way worth it but would say 300k max is right but it's a sellers market for now so good luck to them.

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I was looking at them the other night tbh as they're nice cars for sub 300k i thought, until i noticed that 16m's are all listed at 350k + with three advertised at 400+

 

Mad money and the car's no way worth it but would say 300k max is right but it's a sellers market for now so good luck to them.

 

 

I can send you multiple 16Ms for sale for 295 right now, hell there are probably 2 on ebay. Any car over 300K is on consigment, which means shit. There are guys trying to sell Pirelli Aventadors on consignment for 50K over sticker with miles, lol. Maybe your location was showing you higher prices? Or are you in the US right now.

 

 

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Only thing about the Scud that is super fast is the F1 - that's all I was referencing. IMO it's the best transmission ever made and the only other car that shares the same F1 is the 599 GTO.

 

Added the full Capristo system 40 -50 hp bump runs even with a 458.

 

Let's see the Scud.

 

Here's a thread one mine.

 

http://www.lambopower.com/forum/index.php?...&hl=Easy888

 

I've since added the Capristo headers and S-Line exhaust system. Never raced a 458 but I'd doubt at this point in my life that I care about what's faster. If it's a fun car to drive then that does it for me.

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I can send you multiple 16Ms for sale for 295 right now, hell there are probably 2 on ebay. Any car over 300K is on consigment, which means shit. There are guys trying to sell Pirelli Aventadors on consignment for 50K over sticker with miles, lol. Maybe your location was showing you higher prices? Or are you in the US right now.

 

Still in the UK but searched in the US on ebay and autotrader and those were the listed prices.

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my F430 Spider is just as quick/fast as my 2006 Gallardo Coupe was.... that's not saying much, low 12's @ 117 MPH, but the 16M should be a bit faster....

 

 

 

I saw the press Scud at the factory before it was released and got my dealers first one. It was so mind numbingly slow I gave it back after a week to sell. I have a friend with a 16M that gets regularly spanked by older Gallardos on cruises. It's embarrassing.

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my F430 Spider is just as quick/fast as my 2006 Gallardo Coupe was.... that's not saying much, low 12's @ 117 MPH, but the 16M should be a bit faster....

:iamwithstupid: i had a 16m for a weekend and had a blast! this one had a tubi and sounded like a F1 car!

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