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Holy smokes! Look who has finally resurfaced after all these yeras!! Ok, let's get all the veteran members back, attract some new blood too and make this place great again!

Well, it looks like Automobili Lamborghini had decided to cancel the 60th Giro citing the flooding disaster in Italy!

Honestly, you aren't wrong at all. I was at the event. The "car" shown at the NYC private preview was a 1:1 scale model. The launch event have several real cars shown. We were able to sit inside them etc... The Gala Dinner was inside the factory at the assembly line of this car and several "partially made" cars and bits & pieces of it (door panels, dash, monocoque, suspension etc...) were on display. I suppose it's a step-up from the Aventador (it better be) but as aforesaid many times, the step-up is much smaller than the one from the Murcielage to the Aventador. There really isn't anything innovative about it; more like catching up to the current supercar norm after 12 years. The CTO's marketing pitch was "it's full of emotion, it's a fun car to drive and it's an easy car to drive." IMO, that's contradictory. Lamborghini's were never meant to be "easy"; if it's easy, then part of the fun has been diminished. I like to grab the bull by its horns and ride it wildly but that's just me. Styling-wise, well, I never liked Borkert's design and this didn't chnage my mind. It's a mishmesh of all the few-off models: Sian front + Centenario rear (take the exhaust away and you'll know what I mean). We have also seen plenty of the "Y" motif at the front end from the Sian and the Tecnica (even from the Terzo Millennio) so there is no surprise anymore. I don't hate the styling but in all honesty. it did not wowed me at all. And the interior is a true disappointment. In all fairness, I'll wait until a testdrive to make a conclusion -- let's just see how "fun & emotional" it really is. Overall, not bad but not terribly excited about it at all. Defintely not calling my dealer to sign me up for one right away. Btw, some titbits info.: the engine is no longer offset to the left; it's dead centre (no more driveshaft perhaps)? Interior does feel roomier than any flagship prior but it is a bigger and heavier car. The bottom of the door is part of the door sill (think ThethetheFerrari) so ingress and egress is easier. And the display panel: sorry, it does not fold or tucks away; it's just a thin piece of TFT display as oppose to the Aventador's pod-like design.

As a Lamborghini enthusiast and a mutiple-Lambo owner, I really want to like this upcoming new flagship. But from what I have heard, seen and read so far, it's anything but exciting. As aforesaid from another thread, this maybe news and "a significant step forward" for Lamborghini, but in the supercar/hypercar world, this isn't new at all. It better be a significant leap from the Aventador. The AV has been in production for 12yrs; that's eternity in today's automotive world! A 10% lighter chassis is really nothing to brag about since 12yrs had elapsed and the AV chassis is porky to begin with. And what about repairs from colision? Being CF and/or CFRP, are they repairable after an accident or is it more or less written off entirely? Even if it's repairable, I am assuming the body shop must meet certain criteria in order to qualify to perform proper repairs So how many shops can do or afford to do that? As it currently stands, the LB744 seems to be merely catching up with the rest of the world only. I have yet to see any significant innovation that could rewrite the automotive history.

It's inevitable that the ICE is going the way of the Dodo Bird. The signs of time I suppose. What's really sad, IMO, is to see Lamborghini "following" instead of "leading" and that applies to both the mechanical and styling progresses. Ok, Lamborghini has a V12 hybrid while others are 6 or 8-cylinders powerplant. But there is nothing "new" about the tech and that also applies to the DCT; dare we even say it's about damn time! As for styling, while it likely won't be bad, there's hardly any wow factor either. Both the Miura and the Countach literally rewrote the automotive history. Why can't Lamborghini do that again now that it has the proper financial support from VAG? And with each iteration of new model, we are witnessing the dilusion of the Italian DNA from the car. Consider this: the CEO, the CTO and the Chief Stylist are all Germans. While there's nothing shabby about German management and engineering at all, Lamborghini is, supposedly, an Italian brand after all. As to the styling --- again, Borkert can't hold a candle anywhere near to Gandini, Perini and even Donckerwolke. His cars simply lack the Italian flair. All Borkert knows is to make them look more complicatd than they really are with all the folds and creases, indents and inlets etc... Regrets for the rant but I just don't want to be let down as the hype builds up for the launch. Hopefully, Lamborghini will change my mind in about 3 weeks but I am not optimistic about it. Btw, what happend to the site? Looks like the mods are cleaning house?

LOL, your comment about 1998 is so true! Although I think Lamborghini learned a few things from ther 50th Grande Giro. They actually had to plan a different route for the vinatge models. I suppose that put less strain on the older models such as the 350/400GT, Miura and Countach as they likely cannot keep up with or brake as well as the more modern cars. They also had to place cardboard trays underneath the vinatge models when they were parked at the piazzas. I suppose eliminating any model prior 1998 would ease up a lot of undertakings. The event is by invitation through the respective dealers. The idea is to assemble as many "bespoke" models as possible. Although ultimately, it's more or less variation on the same theme, i.e. Murcielago series, Gallardo series, Aventador series and Huracan series (Veneno, J, Centenario, SC-18 Alston, Sian. SC-20 & New Countach are all based on the Aventador and the Reventon is based on the Murci). The cost of the event alone is $$$$. Then there is the logistics costs of shipping the cars there & back. Lamborghini SpA did put a logistic package together for the North American partipants. The cost aren't too unreasonable but it's still a sunstantial sum. However, there are only 2 collection points. So owners throughout the continent have to arrange addition transport on their own to ship the cars to those collection points and back.

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Regrettably, Lamborghini states that it will not involve logistics for the car. More info. is being discussed for now; let's see if the Lamborghini Concierge can offer any assistance. The 50th Grande Giro was amazing! I highly doubt that can be repeated in the 60th though. It's a very different world 10 years onward. I am confident that the new flagship will be displayed or even make a rolling appearance at some point. At the 50th, they displayed the Urus in its concept form and Winkelmann drove the Egoista concept onto the stage. Winkelmann would not give up on a marketing opportunity. As the 60th is in May, by then the new flagship would have been offically announced so it has to make an appearance. I agree that it likley won't run the entire journey though. I prefer the 50th LP720-4 as well but also agree that the Xago is the one to drive on this event.

In all honesty, the concept of the film was good; the actors were rather good and the cinematography was great. However, the inaccuracy of the details are horrendous! Let's start at the very beginning: Ferruccio playing with the 2 car models. Why would he be playing with an US-spec'd Countach model? Of all the models that Enzo could have driven, the film depcited him driving a Mondial? Everyone knew the Mondial was likely the worst Ferrari made in the last 50 years! The "Lamborghini" V12 engine shown was actually a Ferrari engine! Any serious Lamborghini fan can spot the differences on the heads. The first model that Lamborghini shown in Geneva was the 350GTV (with hidden/flipping headlights); the movie showed a 350GT instead (opended single-lens per side eliptical headlights). The 350GT was Lamborghini's first production model; not the very first model that premiered in Geneva. Obviously, no one in the film's production team knew anything about Italian super sports cars. I also agree that the film ended somewhat abruptly. It's almost as it it was given a time limit and with minutes left, they just threw everything together and pull the curtains! And there is also one very obvious irony from the movie title: Lamborghini: The Man Behind the Legend. Ferruccio waa depicted negatively throughout the film and towards the end, he was even written as a coward/failure (he didn't want to continue the race with Enzo). So how was he a legend? Seems like Enzo was more of a legend than Ferruccio which is in conflict with the title and theme of the movie. From conception to actual release, it took several years and a few cast changes took place. So it was likely running out of time and money and, again, no one within the team knew anything about Lamborghini's and Ferrari's. Quite suprising that Tornino actually endorsed the film; perhaps it's his way of demonizing his father which he obviously wasn't too fond of. And btw, Automobili Lamborghini SpA had actually released a memo to its dealers that this film is not to be used as advertising or marketing tools of any sort and Lambo HQ has no affiliation with the film and will not endorsing it in anyway whatsoever.

Day 1: Meet & greet in Rome. Day 2: Lazio region, Tuscan Coast & Tuscan Hills. Day 3: Siena & Florence. Day 4: Sant' #### but ending with Gala Dinner in Bologna. Day 5: Disband Cost: a whopping 25k Euro excluding VAT & all taxes and shipping logistics for the car. Limited to 150 "modern" Lamborghini's only. TBH, doesn't sound as good as the 50th which was the driving trip of a life time.

Anyone here going to the 60th Giro in Italy? Starts in Rome and ends in Bologna. May 24 -- 28, 2023.

Personally, I think the Aventador SV is the best looking model out of the Aventador series. I had the original LP700 coupe, LP700 roadster, LP750SV coupe and currently have a LP770 SVJ63 roadster. I like the SVJ63 merely for its slightly more updated tech and the increased performance; lookwise, it's the SV for me. Modern Lamborghini's styling does take time to be fully appreciated. People jeered about the SV when it first appeared but it "matured" over time. Not the SVJ though, as one member had said above, it's overyly complicated with too many lines. The Ultimae is even worse; just compare the noses on all iterations of the Aventador's and it becomes so obvious. The Sian is no exception either. Don't get me wrong, I am not trashing the new car. As aforesaid, it not bad but it will take time to get used to. Will the appreciation increase as time progresses, likely; but does it have the wow factor like every model that Gandini had done, regrettably, a definite no. Also as aforesaid, Borkert is not creative or innovative at all. Perini's Aventador was a complete departure from Donckerwolke's Murcielago. It's still a Lamborghini without the slightest of doubt of course but it's a revolutionary new design. Borkert's new flagship is more evolutionary and lacks creativity; there is still a strong Aventador undertone lurking within the new car. Is the design a failure, no it isn't. But is it an epic design like the former generations of V12 flagships, no it isn't that either, absolutely not. Performance-wise, admittedly, the Aventador's tech was obsolete years ago; Lamborghini managed to milk it for a few years more; kudos to them. With the new flagship, Lamborghini has merely caught up with what is available today and perhaps, at best, equals what is there to come within the next couple of years. Is there anything totally innovative about this car, again, a definitive no. And one very important thing about Lamborghini: it doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks and prefers; Lamborghini does it in its own way regardless of styling and tech. I don't see that in this new car. It neither has the F-U-we'll-do-it-our-way, nor we'll-have-something-that-no-one-had-done-or-imagined-before attitude. That, to me, is a major disappointment. Having said all that, I am not totally negative towards it. Would I get one? Likely, but not in the immediate future. Given all the limitations that's being enforced (those who attended the preview know what I am referring to), I don't see the point. No need to be the first to own the latest. And we knew that it can only get better as time progresses.

Borkert IS the tombstone for Centro Stile. Look at his so-called credentials: he came from Porsche. While I have huge admiration for Porsche, they are also the laziest stylist: take a 911 shell and give a nip & tuck here and there, bingo! It's done. (Like you said, they are both epic and boring.) And that's exactly what Borkert had done: a mish-mash of Aventador, Huracan and Countach! To be fair, the design isn't bad; but it's augmentation rather than creation/invention. For those who knew the history of the brand and Gandini's design philosophy, we have seen much better designs coming out of the Charging Bull Brand. E.g. The styling of the Miura and the Countach could not be further apart; an yet it came from the same man! Add the Espada and a few others onto his list, you will then realize just how versatile and how much of a genius Gandini is! Donckewolke and Perini aren't bad either; they had captured the essence of the Italian supercar's styling motifs. Ever since Audi/VAG bought Lamborghini, the Germans have been slowly but surely taking over the brand. While Winkelmann grew up in Italy, he's German afterall. Perini was replaced by Borkert. And, lastly, Maurizio Reggiani was replaced by Rouven Mohr. CEO, Head of Centro Stile & CTO; 3 top positions all held by Germans. While I applaud the German's no-nonsense efficiency and precision engineering, their product can feel sterile. An Italian supercar, IMO, needs the flair to make it interesting and cool. I cannot describe it in words but one knows it when one sees it; and I haven't seen that from Lamborghini ever since the Aventador S came out (Borkert's first work at Lamborghini). And his latest is no exception either. As to performance, well, it better be superior since a decade had passed since the Aventador debut and its performance & tech had long been matched or superseded by other brands.

Thank you! I am glad you said it first. I am definitely not a fan of Borkert's work. I've met and chatted with Borket at the Sian preview and at the Huracan Technica launch. The guy has a thing about Countach. That's fine but rather than mimicking the so-called Gandini Line, how about trying to invent something of his own instead of hiding under Gandini's shadow and butchering his work by reinterpreting it, e.g. the New Countach which he had totally ruined --- to the point that Gandini issued a statement denouncing it. Anyway, I have digressed. There is a small styling element on this new flagship which had never appeared on any V12 Lamborghini before. But it's not something epic that would redefine the styling motif on the supercar genre. Any car enthusiast worth his salt already knew about the engine bay part so no need to and I cannot elaborate on it. Put it this way: again, my personal opinion of course, the first impression on this car is defintely neither "wow!!" nor "holy smokes, that's hot!"; but rather, "huh, 10 years have passed and this is it?!" There are no top marks from its initial impression for sure. But it will grow on you after you are aware of the how's and why's. But for that 4-second attention span if one sees it on the road, I don't think it's anything to write home about. Lastly, for those who consider the Aventador is already too big of a car, well, guess what?... As for performance and tech, as much as I hate to concede to it --- it's Lamborghini, a small manufacturer under the VAG umbrella shared by Porsche and Bentley. It can, at best, match or edge a tiny bit ahead of them; but can it be allowed to outright supersede them by a giant leap; especially on Porsche? I think the answer seems obvious.

Game-changer for the Lamborghini brand perhaps but not for the super-car sector (my personal opinion, of course). Styling-wise, like most of the modern bulls, it will take time to fully appreciate it. Not bad but Borkert & his team are no where near Gandini's level; perheps not even Perini's. Official lauch currently set at end of March.

Depends on one's perspective. Think exposed plenum/wired mesh/X-brace and you get the idea. Officlal unveil currently set at right before the end of March.

For sure. Lamborghini did plenty of studies and consultations to come up with this plan. There will always be a few who wants the vanity of being the first kid to own the newest toy. It's not even the toy but it's the bragging rights that count. And in this case, some may even want to profitize by flipping it. Although there have been very strong suggestions that Lamborghini has taken the most strigent measures to ensure no flipping would occur. All dealerships must adhere to a very rigid set of guidelines when ordering and selling the car.

Regrettably, it looks like there isn't much left of this place anymore. Mods aren't posting; Allan isn't posting; Alex (of SPE who techicallly owns this forum)) hasn't posted in years. Anyway... There will be 2 VIP preview sessions in NYC: Dec. 9-11 & Dec. 16-18 respectively. But there's a catch to the invitation: all the invitees/attendees are supposedly have spoken for the new car already. I.e. they had put down deposits for the car. Moreover, they are limited to a preset number of choices on the colours and options. I won't/can't disclose the details but let's just say the choices are not many and, supposedly, no permutations and variants allowed; i.e. you are given n-th number of colours to choose from and each colour is paired with a fixed set of options; no plus or minus and no mix and match. This concept has 2 rationale: 1) given the ongoing supply-chain issues and the dicey global economy, Lamborghini needs to have full control in sourcing parts and materials. Having a fixed number of colurs and parts would facilitate their production process without surprises. 2) marketing technique: this would provide Winkelmann the opportunity to claim that the first batch of production has already been pre-sold/sold out --- a trick that he had used often during his time at Bugatti. I don't know about those who are attending the preview sessions but I am not in a hurry to get one. Remember the first model year of the Aventador? MY2012 has been orphaned as unlike subsequent model years, the 2012 cars' ECU cannot be updated. With hybrid tech, this car is going to be a complicated machine. Highly doubtful that it would be glitch-free from the start. And we all knew they can only build them better and better. If I am getting a car of this caibre, it would be tailored to my specific preferences; not something that's been predetermined and limted by the manufacturer. I would much rather wait and see. TBH, from we have seen so far, I'm not too thrilled about it. It appears the leap from the Murcielago series to the Aventador series is greater than the leap from the Avenatdor series to this new flagship. Styling seems more evolutionary than revolutionary. Hybrid tech already exists on many other supercars. I hope I am wromg but I haven't seen or have gotten hints on any wow factor. Official launch is currently set for March, 2023. And OT: the Huracan Sterrato is being launch in Miami next week.

We need to be careful here, I believe there's another member here that goes by the "Nuvolari" moniker. That crazy dude's screen name had 3 numbers after the alphabets. Anyway, no point elaborating on this. Those who knew still know; those who don't likely wouldn't care. I agree that unless the big-name contributors and the group of mods start posting frequently again, it'll be next to impossible to bring back the glory days of LP. Many members had already formed their own like-minded inner circles; this forum, regrettably, has out-served its original purposes.

I believe the one that your were referring was a different guy way way back and he left a long time ago. The one that I was referring was some idiot who just wanted to be the alpha guy here and whenever he got called out by someone who knew better or has better toys, he started hurling insults. So much so that a number of members stepped in and posted saying he doesn't belong here. He claimed to own the latest and the greatest but hardly had any pics to prove. He also claimed to be a philanthropist who "gives till it hurts" (why would it hurts if one is philanthropic about it?) but when this site started a GoFundMe account to send LamboCars to attend Monterey, many members chipped in but Mr. Philanthropy simply went MIA. He more or less got voted out and good riddance.

Spot on! And you are here long enough to see almost everything. One needs not to be a Lambo owner to join and most of the time, it's the non-owners that actually provided the enthusiasm to keep things interesting. Not 100% sure if Kris Singh was the genesis that started the fall out but the timing of his departure matched and there was a full behind-the-scene story about it. There was another guy who just came along doing his dick-swing BS and when he got countered or challenged he turned aggressive and ticked off everyone especially those who knew what they were talking about. There were PM's between veteran members saying it's not worth the time & effort arguing with an egomaniac and since the mods didn't do much about it, why bother signing on anymore. The site was about sharing a common interest; not about who has the best toys. A lot of members agreed and signed off for good. And then come the big shut down on the site and that was the end of it for the majority.

I echo that Maurizio is very technically-minded and very passionate about the brand. He's also very down-to-earth and approachable. One interesting fact is that he was the then newly-resurrected Bugatti's 2nd employee --- a story which he loves to share. Never heard of Mohr until now. As far as transitioning to hybrid's and EV's, he's likely good for the brand per se; however; just not sure how the brand's image and direction may be altered. I.e. Winkelmann , despite his good knowledge in Italian culture, is German. The last design chief, Perini, was replaced by Borkert who's also German (not too thrilled about his designs tbh; at least not yet). And now we have another German replacing an Italian CTO. As far as management and engineering is concerned, it's likely a positive change but sometimes things need to be spiced up with some Italian flair especially for a brand like Lamborghini. The Raging Bull brand is resembling Porsche more and more...

There is now a Light Transit Rail from the Bologna airport to the city centre which made things very convenient. The train stops at the city centre train terminal. Directly across the street are 3 hotels with another 2 half-a-block away. Staying there would be ideal. Don't expect top-class 5-star accommodations but the 3 across the terminal are nice and clean and one is actually kind of hip. Everything within city centre is walking distance (there are plenty of taxis at the train terminal too). As you mentioned on another thread, you have an Ultimae roadster on order so the best thing to do is to ask your Lamborghini dealership to handle everything on the factory visit. They can arrange the factory to send a car to pick you up from your hotel, take you to the factory and take you back when you are done visiting --- free of charge. You can also rent a car to travel to nearby places (rental car offices are near the train terminal). You can visit the Ferrari Museum and; if you are into motorbikes; the Ducati Museum which is also owned by Audi. Pagani factory visit is also possible but it's best to go through a 3rd party touring company as they know how to handle the booking and logistics. As Allan said, the Ferruccio Lamborghini Museum is also worth a visit. OT, Surprise the old filters are still effective on a number of words on this site. San-t' A-gata isn't the only one.

Wheels, I can assure you that it was not you at all. In fact, I am sure, by majority, that you were and still are quite well-liked and welcomed here. Yes, your reasoning at times are somewhat quirky and you like to debate; but that's fine; it's an opened forum and I highly doubt you actually ticked off any of us at all. You certainly didn't tick me off despite our debates. So no apology necessary. Come back here more often.

There may be some challenges involved. The car is almost 40yrs old and white of all colours is the easiest to discolor over time. Different environment in storage and/or usage will yield different yellowing results. Moreover, Countach seats are known to come in 2 different versions: those with embossed leather and those without. Whether it's the same type of leather used I do not know but if your car has the embossed leather, there is a good chance that they are factory OEM. Of course, lacking the embossing does not render them to be non-OEM either. A close inspection on the stitching may yield some hints as the factory stitching is quite nicely done. Polo Storico can trace the car's factory spec for you; however; expect to pay a fee for it and it won't be cheap. Congrats on the purchase and best of luck.