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I'm traveling to Driggs Idaho, have a campsite reserved with family from Friday until Monday. Hot springs, camping and full solar eclipse. Will be quite the weekend!

Fat boy backing down https://www.google.com/amp/insider.foxnews....p/article/57415 http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/15/ki...p-warnings.html

This pisses me off too. Saudi Arabia should have been on the travel ban. We should have held them responsible for funding the 9/11 attackers by the previous two administrations as well. We could be totally energy independent of them if we chose to stop sucking at their tit. Money has truly corrupted our country that we remain allies with the largest sponsor of terror in the world and the ones who are directly responsible for the deadliest terror attack in our country. Sickening and treasonous

And what was the result?

If these guys fire missles towards a US territory your solution is what? Feel sorry for NK? Did you see me expressing my disgust above that there is a literal holocaust happening in the country are you trying so hard to paint a picture you'll ignore what I say when it isnt convenient for your theories? "Mattis added that if North Korea fires at the U.S., "it could escalate into war very quickly... yes, that's called war, if they shoot at us." General Mattis gets it, Why is Kinnsella a better military strategist? Did you miss the part where China said they would not intervene in NK attacked? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/11/ch...orea-first.html BTW last time Nuclear weapons we're used it saved millions of more lives from death in war and instantly ended the greatest war the world has ever seen. edit: im not implying we should strike first if thats what you're working towards? But if they fire at us, there should be nothing left of Pyongyang when we return volley.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/14...ts-game-on.html

"As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence – it has no place in America. And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws. We all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans. Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our creator, we are equal under the law and we are equal under our constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry, strike at the very core of America." Antifa was present too fighting and attacking protesters. ALL SIDES And as despicable as it is, and as much as anyone can disagree and despise groups that spread hate, their freedom to publicly demonstrate and protest and say things that hurt and offend are protected just as much as yours or mine. Its the same reason Westboro baptist church can do what they do. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence from the things you say, but nobody should have to fear physical violence because of what is said. The kid that ran into the crowd should be hung. Any of the unite the right/and antifa that caused physical harm should be prostituted to the fullest extent. Lets put all these idiots into an arena and let them solve the problem permanently Presidents statement satisfactory and comforting for victims mother, not for Kinnsella https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/89716131...8889216/photo/1

http://www.news.com.au/world/missile-alarm...60b718e949993fa Glass these fuckers

What does everyone In here think that the response will be if Kim fires missiles anywhere near the territory of Guam?

After World War II and the atrocities committed in Germany and Japan at death camps the world collectively said "NEVER AGAIN, never forget" and 70 years later we are literally sitting and watching it happen again: Satellite images from late 2012 showed the detention centre and some of the guard towers being razed, but all other structures appeared operational.[2] It was reported that 27,000 prisoners died of starvation within a short time and the surviving 3,000 prisoners were relocated to Hwasong concentration camp between March and June 2012.[3] It was further reported that the camp was shut down in June, security guards removed traces of detention facilities until August[46] and then miners from Kungsim mine[3] and farmers from Saebyol and Undok were moved into the area.[47] According to another report the authorities decided to close the camp to cover its tracks after a defection

They've actually found that the most effective form of infiltrating the country with information is people in South Korea are putting info on USB drives and sneaking them into the country or shooting them over the border and showing them that with the rest of the world is like. Letting them see that the image that their leaders are portraying of the rest of the world isn't true. That there's lots of wealth and Success beyond their borders. Smart tactic. Kill the regime from the inside

The problem should have been fixed waaaay before the country had nuclear capability. Personally I think North Korea should be China's issue to solve and solely for them to take responsibilty for. They supply this fat fcuk with everything. Power, food, technology, all on the hopes of keeping millions of NK refugees out of their way. Now they've allowed this little despot shit hole country to become a real issue for the rest of the world. China needs to be held solely responsible for the issue they've caused

Bernie bros getting upset

Trump does a lot of things that are buffoonish. This isnt meant to address the whole Russia connection "issue." There very well may be validity to claims of Russian collusion within the administration. Time will tell. It's only addressing the part of the Russia blame that the DNC claimed that the emails that we're leaked to Wikileaks we're done by Russian hackers. The now proven truth is it was person inside the DNC ( I won't say Seth rich again to save illiciting anymore JFC) that saw that the DNC was rigging their own primaries in favor of a particular candidate over another and realizing that the voice of the party was being suppressed to bring forth their own anointed leader because of political favors owed to Hillary by the heads of the DNC (Debbie W Schultz) and not who the left was choosing as their candidate (Bernie) and decided to release the info to Wikileaks for the world to see.

Well there's two options. Either it's left wing news and it's true or it's left wing news and it's fake. either way doesn't work out well for left

I just posted an article from the most liberal progressive website claiming there is overwhelming evidence that there was no Russian hack at the DNC and the leaked info was put on a memory stick from a person within the DNC, and the response is JFC. That's the equivalent of Breitbart posting a story and saying hey guys there's actually video evidence of Trump and Putin agreeing to blow each other and me saying JFC it's fake. Just proves there's nothing that can be said or proven or shared that would change any of your minds away from what you want to believe is true and what isn't. Guessing you didn't even read the article

From the most widely read liberal/progressive magazine website published https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nation https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-rep...years-dnc-hack/ "We come now to a moment of great gravity. There has been a long effort to counter the official narrative we now call “Russiagate.” This effort has so far focused on the key events noted above, leaving numerous others still to be addressed. Until recently, researchers undertaking this work faced critical shortcomings, and these are to be explained. But they have achieved significant new momentum in the past several weeks, and what they have done now yields very consequential fruit. Forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed are now producing evidence disproving the official version of key events last year. Their work is intricate and continues at a kinetic pace as we speak. But its certain results so far are two, simply stated, and freighted with implications: There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer. Forensic investigations of documents made public two weeks prior to the July 5 leak by the person or entity known as Guccifer 2.0 show that they were fraudulent: Before Guccifer posted them they were adulterated by cutting and pasting them into a blank template that had Russian as its default language. Guccifer took responsibility on June 15 for an intrusion the DNC reported on June 14 and professed to be a WikiLeaks source—claims essential to the official narrative implicating Russia in what was soon cast as an extensive hacking operation. To put the point simply, forensic science now devastates this narrative." SETH RICH.

https://youtu.be/-ERvXZi3Nck

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...onomic-optimism

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/09/...ized-nukes.html

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To go along with that, here's a comment on Reddit that laid it out pretty well "I've said it before but I'll say it again... I've noticed that there are a lot of articles lately discussing how NK's missiles are capable of hitting US states now. These threads usually devolve into arguments about how Japan must be getting antsy or how Seoul is (or is not) at risk of artillery shelling or chemical attacks. Not to mention, how China love-hates North Korea. Before we get into any war scenarios, I want to make this point: Even if we agree that North Korea has the ability to attack America, we must ask the more important question of whether they have a REASON to attack America or her allies. If NK was more powerful than America, maybe they'd attack us. But they're not. Not by a long shot. You know that. All that rhetoric of engulfing America in a sea of flames is FOR THEIR OWN PEOPLE - who by the way are increasingly ignoring the propaganda themselves. South Koreans and North Korean defectors are waging a cultural war in North Korea by sending in USB drives full of KPOP and KDRAMAS and KFILMS. If you want internal change, that's how you do it. You have to subvert the propaganda with proof of wealth on the outside, not meet it head on by upping our own militant rhetoric. That's playing into their own game! If we as the public and you Media folks fail to parse out the fact that NK gov't prefers the status quo, we will only bring fear and greater uncertainty to the American public because we will continue to read headlines about NK's capabilities without factoring in their reasoning. Import side note: calling Kim Jong Un "crazy" or "unstable" doesn't do us any good because it shifts our perspective of him. We need to interpret his actions carefully, not dismiss them arrogantly. Every move he has made, from gaining weight so that he looks more like his revered grandfather to killing his China-backed brother, Kim Jong Un's actions are carefully considered to ensure his regime's preservation. In the face of these facts we need to ask ourselves this simple question: Would he have anything to gain by attacking America or her allies with a nuclear strike? If you've been paying attention the answer should be a resounding no. The second NK strikes first, they lose any and all moral authority as the aggressor and they leave themselves open to merciless retaliation and a sure end to the Kim dynasty. The opposite would be true if the US were to attack. The second America strikes first, China and Russia would point an accusatory finger at us for disrupting the status quo in a region that has seen stability and growth for decades now. South Korea, should it not give consent will feel betrayed by her most important ally for going behind her back. You folks chiming in every so often saying it's "time to do something" without understanding any of this are only making the situation WORSE. You're giving journos clicks for inflammatory headlines. You're giving writers a reason to make that headline more scary and you're feeding the bias that comes from misunderstanding. Believe me I'm no fan of the current administration but even Trump knows this. It's why he hasn't attacked. It's why he's been trying to pressure China. You don't think he'd have done something by now if he could when he's losing face over the NK issue? China has been happily advancing its society for the last few decades and anything to hinder this progress will be stopped with great prejudice. As such a war in Korea would throw the world's economy into chaos. You're advocating a conflict between China, the US, Korea, and Japan and you don't think that's gonna be the case? South Korea is not only a major trading partner, investor, and employer in America, it is now a regional power in Asia that should be given full consideration before any action is taken and as far as I can tell articles and comment threads don't give much attention to the South Korean perspective. America and her Allies have aligned interests. If you go America first at the sake of an ally's wishes, you're going to lose whatever faith our other allies have in us. It's why our guarantee of retaliation is so powerful. If we didn't retaliate against a NK strike on our allies, our guarantee of security to other allies will crumble. Sen. Lindsey Graham seems to think America wouldn't suffer in case of a war in Korea. Let me assure you if there is war American jobs will be lost (those employed by Korean companies), American lives will be lost (servicemen and civilians in Korea), and America may well lose favor among East Asian nations if the war gets out of hand and the repercussions echo throughout the region. That is to say, refugees from South Korea will flee to Japan. North Koreans will flee to China. And you think Syria is bad? A NK nuclear strike on America or her allies is out of the question. NK will not strike first with nuclear arms unless we corner them. You know what they say about cornering prey right? It's the dumbest thing you can do because they will go all out when there is nothing to lose. Always leave room to escape (de-escalate). By getting suckered into the media narrative of a greater chance of war, our countries inch closer to war because of the increased fear among the public. Fear blinds us and when fear is founded on incomplete information, we make poor choices on top of being blinded. We have missile defense systems in America and Japan. We are not without recourse there and therefore the threat is not really there. The threat is to South Korea who is a bit too close for most systems to be effective as I understand especially in an artillery barrage scenario. This is why the THAAD is so controversial. It's nice to have, but unnecessary considering the other threats it won't deter (artillery) and the political fallout it leads to (China retaliating economically against South Korea). Not to mention, South Korea already possesses America's retaliation as a deterrent to a nuclear strike as covered above. It is true that North Korea is growing in capability and there are valid fears that even if NK never attacks, they could still sell their nuclear technology. To this I say increase monitoring and disincentivize those countries or entities who would seek to buy. I hear the Iran deal is working out alright so far. Nuclear technology will spread throughout the world as a matter of time just as gunpowder weapons did. It will be impossible to stop the proliferation of information but what we can do is deter the USE of this information by not pushing each other into corners. What we should do instead is invest heavily in defensive technology to preemptively castrate any possible threats by proliferating wealth and trade relationships with "problem" countries. We also need to remember though that the Korean war was a proxy war between Stalinist forces and US forces in the aftermath of World War 2. Instead of dividing up Japan like we did Germany after the war, we divided up Korea who had been suffering from Japanese exploitation for 30+ years all because Korea is located in a more strategically significant location (next to China). We must therefore understand that NK's increased nuclear capabilities are also an extension of modern Russian and US relations. The two will avoid a direct confrontation but wherever they can they will try to top each other (see Ukraine, Syria, now North Korea). If NK starts rampaging through Asia, sure let's wipe them out. But NK has yet to invade a country since ceasefire in 1953 (save for a brief stint with the NVA, which SK was on the other side of). Skirmishes have occurred, but neither side wants it to escalate any further. To close, I want to emphasize the importance of building the relationship between the USA and SK, USA and China, and China and SK. The stronger these relationships are (read: better informed) the even less likely NK will dare to step out of line. China won't stop feeding NK behind the scenes so if the other relationships listed get complicated, we will have lost the long term war as China gets stronger by virtue of population and NK climbs out of poverty in the long run via the feeding tube.So long as America can align its desires for the status quo (as with China) by building up relationships with Countries around NK, we will continue to prevent war as we have the last 70 years. Mr. President, please feel free to ignore the NK threat as there is none in the face of America's overwhelming advantage in every respect. America, don't entertain the idea of striking preemptively and you won't give China and Russia any political ammo to shoot at us. If NK goes postal on SK then yeah let loose the hounds of war but till then rest easy as we have countermeasures in place already. TLDR: If America wants peace it has one option. Better journalism. Stop talking about what NK is capable of and start talking about what NK wants: the status quo. Also include what WE are capable of in defensive terms. Should the bald eagle bat its eyes when the bunny bares its teeth?"