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Looks bananas. Doesn't get much more crazy looking. Enjoy.

I need to see this.

I like. So that's 900 coupe and 800 vert? WOW.

Welcome block is too big. Otherwise, this version of Invision is the best forum software around IMO. Far superior to the old version. Personal preference because I'm usually on large monitors, but I like fixed width views. Theme developer might be able to sort that.

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675 is a lot better than 650S. Power overkill, trans is a lot better, shifts quicker and harder, little squirrelly under braking. I would take HP or 675LT over 720S. If you thought 650S is tame you will also think 720S is tame, just faster and tame. Realistically, I would take the HP, period. Mac reliability can be a dice roll. I sold a 675LT that ended up getting used on the track a lot and it was consistently sitting in a corner waiting to be fixed. If you really want a track car, I would just buy a GT3 RS.

Paddy McGrath is a fcuking great photographer. He took a bunch of pics of my car and they were top notch.

By definition this is mathematically impossible because of the number of prior generations GT owners receiving cars (and ignores the fact hundreds of GTs have been totaled, and hundreds more are owned by multiple-GT owners). I can't argue with you having feelings, but this is fallacy of composition based on that; feelings. I'll just quote myself here. Point is, I can't believe this is still a thing. "It was enough for me." Was it? It's a car. Who cares? If you aren't super into the car or the process or the production, bail. It's not worth spending time or energy on. But I persistently see people list all of the reasons they have been aggrieved by not receiving the immediate option to purchase a $500k road car they ostensibly aren't that interested in, followed by an admission they continue to pursue it. We have reached the zenith of first world problems. I'm sorry it's absolutely not correct, and unless you provide factual evidence to contradict the chief program engineer and vehicle marketing manager responsible for the disposition of the cars: I'm going to have to go with their version. I helped dispose of some of the remaining company units at the conclusion of the program, so I'm pretty sure I would have remembered retail cars coming back for disassembly in that time frame, which isn't even remotely how the system works.

I can't square these statements. MM is a very incognito company. Ford is just willing to admit their level of partnership. Larry is a legendary figure and a genius, and regardless of anything else that ever happens around the car, I am happy to be around for his involvement. There's a reason his stuff is on everything from Chevy Colorado to AMG Project One to Porsche 919. They laid out the criteria and I fit. I'm an original owner of an 05/06 GT with a long history with both GT programs. If that is an objectionable criteria to receiving a vehicle allocation from a manufacturer, that is certainly an available opinion. FWIW - this is absolutely, completely untrue.

You can trust me. It was exactly 87%. You can certainly make the case that no non-Ford owner should have received one, but realistically it doesn't factor in who the majority of those non-Ford owners represent. 6 of the IMSA and WEC drivers have already received their cars. The IMSA team principle and his partner received their cars. The owner of Multimatic received his car. A raft of suppliers and technical partners from racing and regular vehicle production received allocations. It's an argument of extreme subjectivity that Sebastien Bourdais deserves an allocation less than someone who regularly buys F-150s. These are just not problems low volume manufacturers have. Any dealer can sell the car and they are very fairly compensated for doing so. A number of dealers received allocations immediately. More received allocations in the aftermath. A lot more will receive them for the final amount of cars. They can do whatever they like with them including ultimately selling them to whatever customer they like. Nothing prevents a dealer from going straight to their market leadership and lobbying that a certain customer should be granted a car. I like to think my opinion on what would have happened is based on vast, first hand experience from 2004-2006 with a much less expensive, much higher volume car. The example of Ferrari or Lamborghini to this program which is just completely nonsensical. Ferrari has ~35 dealers in the United States. Ford has over 3,000. What is the system to divide ~175 North American cars amongst 3,000 dealers that sell cars to several million people that makes everyone happy? Even if you said "We are exclusively selling the 2017+ to existing Ford GT customers," that still doesn't even cover 30% of the most boutique product customer they have had in over 100 years of existence. Ferrari sold 2,811 cars in the Americas in 2017. My personal Ford dealer sold over 4,700 new cars last year and they are only open 5 days a week. That just barely squeaks them in the top 10 nationwide. Not comparable. These arguments have been made endlessly but the truth is there just isn't a good answer, and realistically, most people's opinions on the matter are purely colored by how it affects them personally. At this point, the GT is as valuable as a sociological case study as anything else. I assume your usage of the term "contractor" was meant pejoratively, but in that sense - they are irrefutably the same. You can believe me or not, doesn't matter to me. It's not a matter of belief for me. I walked my 06 down the line at SSV as it was produced, and was at SSV with regularity. I walked my 17 through MNV and am there frequently. The paint facility manager at SSV for the 05/06 is now the paint facility manager at MNV for the 2017+. In between he was COO of Prefix. The operations manager at MNV for the 2017 was the President of Milford when they built the chassis for the 05/06. MM did a lot of early work on the 05/06 and very nearly did the entire car. I know a good deal of people that worked on both programs, and these were small teams. I remain totally unmoved that there is a wrong here. Certainly less than 918 owners sucking up GT car allocations or Ferrari telling people they can get a Pista if they buy a Lusso and a Spider.

It's produced virtually the same way the 05/06 car was. 05/06 was produced at SSV by Saleen and then shipped to Wixom to have the motor decked and a couple other bits. It's not that cramped. I spent a week driving the car around California with a 6'2, 230 lb buddy. We lived. It has more headroom than the 05/06. But even with the consideration that it's tight side to side, this is not a daily driver or touring car. It is not shipped anywhere thereafter. Non-heritage panels are currently painted by Prefix and then the panels arrive back at MNV for fitting. Some cars are painted in full at MNV. Mine was. All Heritage cars are. ~90% of the allocations went to Ford owners. ~70% went to 05/06 GT owners. That is vastly more Ford customers IMO than if Ford had left dealers to just try and get market value. There will be few tweaks.

For driving, Huracan. More usable, more agile, more comfortable. Good deal lightly used. For experience, Aventador. V12, lambo doors, all-time great design IMO. ISR feels ancient. If you were going to spend a lot of time driving on fun roads, I would get H. If you're just cruising A to B, Aventador.

Why do you care so much? It is weaker language than I would have used, but I think Ford underestimated what a lying bunch of cunts most people are, and their comfort level with being branded as such. The supercar world is full of gross and shitty people that will sign endless papers saying they will not flip cars and then do it. It's a sad reflection on society as a whole. You're making the assumption it won't hold up in court though. The Cena thing is still in process and will most likely get settled. The only thing that was settled in Indiana was that they couldn't prevent the sale by the *second* owner via Mecum. The car was sold just prior to the auction, which I personally think (but don't know) was a combined effort by Jack Miller/Mike Flynn/Dana Mecum to inoculate the sale from injunction, figuring the original owner will be dead so who gives a shit what he faces.

Long story. The original owner probably won't, but he may not live long enough to see consequences.

2 year lien attached to the car now going forward. I think it started in March.

If you know where I can find a Valkyrie or AMG Mercedes Project One for $1.8 million, please immediately let me know. That's not even close to the MSRP, let alone market value. One interesting start point is that GT actually shares more in common with those two cars than it does with something like a 720S. Multimatic is doing heavy work and production on Project One. Valkyrie they are doing chassis and body construction. There are some similarities between GT and Project One; Valkyrie is another level of spaceship. In any case, they are all hand-assembled standalone cars, done using hand-laid pre-preg CF vs. a derivative unit that is based on a mass produced CFRP RTM tub. I know Larry Holt pretty well and it's really amazing to walk around a race paddock with him. He does shit for everyone. The guy is a genius, and he deserves a TV show that I would watch every night. The road car/race car development bit with GT, while concurrent, was definitely a case where everything on the road car was done in service of the race car. This means the road car was not designed to meet statistic X, Y or Z. The timeline for both was extremely compressed, so when it got late in the game for race car development, road car stuff took a backseat. There is zero question that if Ford wanted to build the fastest road going car they could build, this would definitely not be it. Part of the public perception that it should be I chalk up to the laughable attempts Ford initially made to say "oh are we going to race it?" As far as race car for the road, there have been times where between BoP and atmospheric baseline the race car itself is making a horsepower number that starts with a 3, so HP doesn't really make a race car. I've talked to a couple of the full-time race car guys who have been pretty shocked at how similar the road car feels to the IMSA/WEC cars. I have about 3,000 miles in the GT at this point, so I have a reasonable handle on the car. I will say that it is a perfectly suitable road car and most of the inane whining about how brutal it is funny. Pretty sure nobody was under the impression it was a weekend hauler. It's not real harsh on decent roads. GT3 RS is much harsher to me on our local roads (which is my other favorite car on earth, and is also "slow" these days). What I would consider as "harshness" is the overall NVH in the car relative to the market, specifically sound. You hear a lot of mechanical noise that you do not hear in other cars. Loud fans, fuel system noise, various clicks and whirs, carbon stuff touching other carbon stuff. That's a positive to me. It's not a daily driver. The opposite, where it's indistinguishable from any other really fast, really competent, and otherwise boring supercar I don't particularly need to drive again would be a concern. Ford GT and some harsher Lamborghinis have a lot in common to me in that they are both the right amount of wrong. I drove the Performante and GT back to back last week and it was a bit of a holy shit moment for me. The Performante is an incredible car, but my perception behind the wheel is that it is an already great road car turned up to 11. The GT is immediately, obviously, and irreversibly a race car turned into a road car. They are inherently two different types of machine. Between your ass being bolted to the floor and the extremely direct hydraulic steering, everything on the road is transmitted directly to the driver, which is what you want in a race car. But it is not fatiguing, and it's never unpredictable. I would not recommend it if your goal is creature comfort. I've definitely driven faster stuff but the first time I took the car out on the track I knew I'd pretty much ruined the car. It is just fcuking beautiful to drive on a race track. It's so good and so much fun and so responsive to the driver without beating them up that it makes driving it on the street invariably a let down. It feels like a giant Radical SR3. A lot of guys will track them and the car will make them look better than they are. I know this because I bring these people to the track. On a public road, there are nicer things to drive, but I will gladly take that trade knowing what the GT is and what it represents. p.s, people from here on out are toast. There's a 2 year security agreement now. No way can you be a lying dipshit and flip it. Obviously the car won't hold up at $1.8 million, but there's a whole bunch of people getting these cars that don't really give a fcuk what they're worth because they aren't for sale.

Doesn't show well in pics, but that seems like a great deal.

It's an exciting prospect. A screaming NA V12 paired with supplemental electric motors will be incredible. Hybrid is viewed as a dirty word to a lot of people for performance cars; it won't be when they get behind the wheel of the right one. The big Lambo is the perfect car for it.

Ford GT is an absolute pain in the dick to build, and it's just not what they do. Profit is not a factor on the car; there will almost certainly never be one. It was basically built for one reason and one reason alone - to win Le Mans in 2016. In my opinion, the rest of it is a pain in the ass to them at this point. The low volume is a result of production method, not an artificially imposed production cap. It took them forever just to get to five cars a week. They could certainly keep building it for more years, but whether it's 4-5-6 years, it will still be ~250 units a year (if everything goes right, which rarely happens) and I think there's plenty of excess demand at that level for a $500k car.

I 100% agree that money is irrelevant to the sellers of those cars. I also assure you they were sold within a very short period of time after delivery for way over the original sales price.

At some point it just becomes a matter of not being a lying cunt. Everyone signed a bunch of shit saying "I really want this car blah blah blah and I agree that if you give it to me I will not sell it." Ford isn't Ferrari or Lambo. They don't have a 50 year client history of people willing to blow $500k on a single car, and market value of the car is way north of that. If you put the car in an LLC, you will most likely get a phone call and they are going to inquire about your intentions with the car. I guess you can still lie about it then. If it looks like you may be out to sell it, you're probably going to get a bunch of follow up calls. Some people have already caved in the face of having to lie direct to someone's face. I guess if people are THAT desperate for the extra money, they can go through the hoops, lie about it and sell it, but I think that's pretty dumb. They weren't shy about the fact they really wanted people to keep the car. The first thing you had to do was sign and return a notarized affidavit saying you would do so, which Cena and everyone else did. If you didn't, they wouldn't let you order. Then on your order form, you again initialed every option selection and then signed just above a statement saying you agree to keep the car for 2 years. That's a lot of lying to go through to make a couple hundred grand after taxes, when the alternative is you could just wait a couple years and sell it then.

I'm sure there will be more. I think that should be sanctioned sport. Irrefutably prove a guy is shopping his car, you get his allocation.

Nope. The cars in the Middle East GCC countries don't *functionally* have the same restrictions so a number of those have been sold. I'm sure there are cars here that have been sold on agreements they stay parked for 24 months. A couple dummies have had their allocations nuked for shopping them, which cracks me up.

It's ongoing. It will get settled.

Can't be correct. Other cars on sale with CF inner door panels. Is this specific to a certain market?