There are no compelling LEGAL reasons for banning TEENS

As a former prosecutor who was involved with the prosecution of "bad people" doing "bad things" on the internet, I can say with confidence that this site can not be construed as harmful in any way to pre-18-year-olds.

 

This site presents a)positive role models, b)positive values, and c)positive work ethics.

 

While I can understad and appreciate those members concerns about the partial "adult" content on the site, and I agree that we adults should be concerned such content is unsuitable for pre-18ers, I would simply remind my fellow members that this is a car enthusiast site and WE have not place in posting such materials here. The reason we are here is not for "adult-only" dialogue - there are enough of those sites elsewhere. We come here because it is about the passion for that instrument in our garages and in our dreams. The same dreams that we are now curtailing in those bright kids who share our excitement - maybe in the one area where we actually do have a connection.

 

If we are worried about exposing the teens to adult type material, maybe the real question to ask is what is such material doing here in the first place? This type of questionable content does little to enhance my enjoyment of this hobby.

 

Then, we simply have to make a judgment call and deciee whether the site is enhanced more by the presence of some of these intelligent and contributing young people or is it made better by the bouncing boob posts and questionable language and dialogue?

 

I think that taking away this resource to the younger generation a)hurts their sense of identity and belonging when it is very important; and hurts the future of the hobby that we are all so passionate about. Honestly, how many hobbies are there left that can be shared on this level?

 

As the 15, 16 and 17 years olds learn about advanced automotive engineering concepts, practical applications of physics, and appreciation of another kind of beauty, of another knd of art - the kind of art that truly moves you (at 200+ MPH) -------where would we rather have them go? To a rap music website? To a video game website? To a porn site?

 

I have been in front of dozens and dozens of judges both at the state and federal level - - - We all do not have anything to worry about should junior be "exposed" inadvertantly to an unsavory comment or image. Having the youth on this site does a far more realizable beneficial contribution to their education and after-school time does the off-key image or comment do to detract from it.

 

But, I ask my fellow members who are in favor of banning the kids, what would you do if someone told you you were no longer allowed to talk about your favorite toy in the world? Your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/partner would no longer listen to ANY of your model specs, delivery dates, available options? You were no longer allowed to log on in a community dedicated to giving you the dialogue and information that you sometimes wait an entire day of boring stuff (work) just to get to?

 

If there are isolated cases of teens that don't belong here - then the moderators use their discretion and kick them off --the same as should be done to some of the adults.

 

If any member or sponsor or moderator would like to have a more practical conversation about the legal ramifications, I would be happy to explain the legalese.

 

I, for one, feel strongly that the kids should be allowed to stay.

heres my take.

 

I, for one, feel strongly that the kids should NOT be allowed to stay. Its not about the content of the site, its the repeated questions of "HOW MUCH TO AFFORD LAMBORGHINI" or "WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING" or "MY RICER-MOBILE IS FASTER" or "MY E-PEEN IS BIGGER THAN YOURS"

 

Thats what they are trying to avoid, and its working.

^that's less about teens, and more about annoying, stupid people.

Then, we simply have to make a judgment call and deciee whether the site is enhanced more by the presence of some of these intelligent and contributing young people or is it made better by the bouncing boob posts and questionable language and dialogue?

 

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From my understanding, that was the erroneous Kneejerk reaction by many as to why it was done, but was NOT the STATED reason as to why it was done... In fact, the NWS section DID NOT come back... And the posts are STILL edited for language (Even mine, and I have the worst potty mouth of anybody on here)... So that has nothing to do with the ban. I think we went on at great lengths about this at the time, and those conversations, although locked, should be easy to find. To restate the reasons given as clearly as possible, L-Power is no longer open to kids, because they do not reflect the image the website operators wish the site to have, which is a website for ADULT Lamborghini owners and ADULT enthusiasts.

 

 

I think that taking away this resource to the younger generation a)hurts their sense of identity and belonging when it is very important; and hurts the future of the hobby that we are all so passionate about.  Honestly, how many hobbies are there left that can be shared on this level?

 

They can still share it... They just cant share it here. The 'hobby' of exotic car ownership is a self-replicating hobby. SOME % of people will always want these cars... And a smaller percentage of them, will ALWAYS be able to afford them. And the "hobby" survived just fine before the internet was available to kids.

 

As the 15, 16 and 17 years olds learn about advanced automotive engineering concepts, practical applications of physics, and appreciation of another kind of beauty, of another knd of art - the kind of art that truly moves you (at 200+ MPH) -------where would we rather have them go?  To a rap music website?  To a video game website?  To a porn site?

 

Again... Were not the only act in town... Their are legions of sites they can go to for that info... Hell... I grew up in age with NO INTERNET, let alone Lamborghini website... I survived... So will they.

 

But, I ask my fellow members who are in favor of banning the kids, what would you do if someone told you you were no longer allowed to talk about your favorite toy in the world?  Your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/partner would no longer listen to ANY of your model specs, delivery dates, available options?  You were no longer allowed to log on in a community dedicated to giving you the dialogue and information that you sometimes wait an entire day of boring stuff (work) just to get to?

 

Thats a bit of a STRETCH??? Dont ya think? I mean... they CAN STILL TALK about Lamborghinis... They just cant do it HERE. I think the logical counterargument would be, "at that age, these kids should be out interacting with OTHER PEOPLE THEIR AGE, learning to socialise on that level, rather than being here." I mean, seriously... There are lots of BETTER things a young person can do with their time than spend it on a computer?

 

 

 

If there are isolated cases of teens that don't belong here - then the moderators use their discretion and kick them off --the same as should be done to some of the adults.

 

If any member or sponsor or moderator would like to have a more practical conversation about the legal ramifications, I would be happy to explain the legalese.

 

There are no legal ramifications. The owners and moderators of L-power are well within their rights to do what they have done.

 

To answer the issue your title raises:

 

1. The compelling reason to ban teens is the First Amendment right of freedom of association.

 

2. L-Power is a private forum.

 

3. Children are NOT a protected class when it comes to age discrimination.

 

And 4. Adults are free to set up private organizations that restrict membership to adults only because NOTHING about the equal protection clause says that expressive organizations have to allow the expressions of people they disagree with, or that don't represent them.

What I meant by legal ramifications is that the owners/operators/moderator do not have any exposure to any liability for keeping the teens or kicking them off.

 

I have not been here long enough to know whether they are such a nuisance or not, so I will hold back my comments, I only saw a few bright ones who had something to offer.

 

I think that it is very easy to get rid of the annoying members on this site whether they are 15 looking for a ride in a Murci or 50 driving a Kia trying to sell us life insurance.

 

The reason for my personal feelings one way or the other relate to the fact that I did not have anyone who could tell me about Magnum P.I.'s car, nor discuss why Sonny and Crocket went faster when chasing someone in a lambo rather than a kit car.

 

Give them lofty goals now and maybe they will strive for greatness knowing that is the only way you will ever have one of these cars (that or selling drugs or inheriting all of grannies money!)

 

I'm done.

What makes Lambo-Power such a great site is that it is not diluted. We don't have to conform to other peoples political correctness and we can tell it just as it is.

 

The Moderators do an excellent job and ensure that things don't go too far out of hand.

 

However, under these conditions, I feel it best for the youngsters to play elsewhere. I would not talk to my children in the same way as I do to my friends down the local bar.

 

Likewise, I would not take my kids to an environment where the language or comment is of an adult nature.

 

In addition, the young mind can be easily scarred by a negative response to a harmless question, which on the face of it is no more than harmless banter. The reality can be a lot more unpleasant of course.

 

We should not be put in a position where we have to measure our posts, scared by the thought that they are inadvertantly directed at a child who may become distressed or upset by what he or she reads.

 

For these very reasons, Lambo-Power should not have to be put into a position where children are allowed in.

 

I am sorry to say that the legal argument here is complete bullshit. Children should stay away for social reasons and as a commitment by responsible parents and guardians to look after their best interests.

When you're a teen, you should be out chasing girls. Not wasting your time in front of a computer screen. There's plenty of time for that when you get older.

 

It was done for the children...

Who cares? Whatever the mods say - is the way it is. And personally im happy about that decision. So, could we give it a rest already ?

 

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As a former prosecutor who was involved with the prosecution of "bad people" doing "bad things" on the internet, I can say with confidence that this site can not be construed as harmful in any way to pre-18-year-olds.

 

This site presents a)positive role models, b)positive values, and c)positive work ethics.

 

While I can understad and appreciate those members concerns about the partial "adult" content on the site, and I agree that we adults should be concerned such content is unsuitable for pre-18ers, I would simply remind my fellow members that this is a car enthusiast site and WE have not place in posting such materials here.  The reason we are here is not for "adult-only" dialogue - there are enough of those sites elsewhere.  We come here because it is about the passion for that instrument in our garages and in our dreams.  The same dreams that we are now curtailing in those bright kids who share our excitement - maybe in the one area where we actually do  have a connection.

 

If we are worried about exposing the teens to adult type material, maybe the real question to ask is what is such material doing here in the first place?  This type of questionable content does little to enhance my enjoyment of this hobby.

 

Then, we simply have to make a judgment call and deciee whether the site is enhanced more by the presence of some of these intelligent and contributing young people or is it made better by the bouncing boob posts and questionable language and dialogue?

 

I think that taking away this resource to the younger generation a)hurts their sense of identity and belonging when it is very important; and hurts the future of the hobby that we are all so passionate about.  Honestly, how many hobbies are there left that can be shared on this level?

 

As the 15, 16 and 17 years olds learn about advanced automotive engineering concepts, practical applications of physics, and appreciation of another kind of beauty, of another knd of art - the kind of art that truly moves you (at 200+ MPH) -------where would we rather have them go?  To a rap music website?  To a video game website?  To a porn site?

 

I have been in front of dozens and dozens of judges both at the state and federal level - - - We all do not have anything to worry about should junior be "exposed" inadvertantly to an unsavory comment or image.  Having the youth on this site does a far more realizable beneficial contribution to their education and after-school time does the off-key image or comment do to detract from it.

 

But, I ask my fellow members who are in favor of banning the kids, what would you do if someone told you you were no longer allowed to talk about your favorite toy in the world?  Your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/partner would no longer listen to ANY of your model specs, delivery dates, available options?  You were no longer allowed to log on in a community dedicated to giving you the dialogue and information that you sometimes wait an entire day of boring stuff (work) just to get to?

 

If there are isolated cases of teens that don't belong here - then the moderators use their discretion and kick them off --the same as should be done to some of the adults.

 

If any member or sponsor or moderator would like to have a more practical conversation about the legal ramifications, I would be happy to explain the legalese.

 

I, for one, feel strongly that the kids should be allowed to stay.

 

#1- This topic is considered finished and over with according to the site owner and admins.

 

#2- There's far more "deserving" places on the internet to dole out your pro bono tripe than this site.

 

#3- Since you're a "worldattorney", why don't you use your own money to open and run your own Lambo site. You can let kids in and do whatever you want. Of course, on a prosecutor's pay.....

 

#4- This is not your site. You don't own it. You don't operate it. And you definitely don't have a say in how it's put together and should respect the decisions of those who do. If you don't like the rules of the house, then you're free to leave. And don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out because we don't want you to come after our homeowner's policy.

What Morgan said. This is not only a legal reason, if there is any.

 

Some members/mods/admins were bothered by what SOME teens used to post. They, sometimes, also were scared to post any things related to nudity, sex etc... It's more an ethic reason than a legal one.

 

Not to mention that it is irresponsible to let a teen browses any sites when Rico is on.

 

Anyway, thank you for your interest and knownledge, but mods and admins are free to accept, or not somebody, especially when they think that it's better for everyone.

 

I lock this thread, subject has already been discussed.

Let me add few cents..

 

I'm not sure if the legality of banning kids has a legal leg to stand on ...but it's not the point. Like already said by a few members it had nothing to do with the law but more with morals and annoyance of kids presence.

L/P is not a public service that provides care taking for kids while the parents are at work nor it is responsible to promote Lamborghini to the future generations, I give rats ass if today's kids buy a Lambo in 2022 or not... We are here to entertain ourselves ONLY and we want to be able to do it in a manner that is NOT appropriate for kids. Is it illegal to expose them ? Maybe not but it sure immoral and unnecessary.

The other reason is that I don't feel like talking to kids all day long nor do I want them to be a part of any conversation I'm engaged in.

 

 

 

 

P.S

(Am I a kid hatter ? :hammerhead )

 

 

 

 

P.P.S

Look who's talking about morals...ME ! :bj

As a former prosecutor who was involved with the prosecution of "bad people" doing "bad things" on the internet, I can say with confidence that this site can not be construed as harmful in any way to pre-18-year-olds.

 

This site presents a)positive role models, b)positive values, and c)positive work ethics.

 

While I can understad and appreciate those members concerns about the partial "adult" content on the site, and I agree that we adults should be concerned such content is unsuitable for pre-18ers, I would simply remind my fellow members that this is a car enthusiast site and WE have not place in posting such materials here.  The reason we are here is not for "adult-only" dialogue - there are enough of those sites elsewhere.  We come here because it is about the passion for that instrument in our garages and in our dreams.  The same dreams that we are now curtailing in those bright kids who share our excitement - maybe in the one area where we actually do  have a connection.

 

If we are worried about exposing the teens to adult type material, maybe the real question to ask is what is such material doing here in the first place?  This type of questionable content does little to enhance my enjoyment of this hobby.

 

Then, we simply have to make a judgment call and deciee whether the site is enhanced more by the presence of some of these intelligent and contributing young people or is it made better by the bouncing boob posts and questionable language and dialogue?

 

I think that taking away this resource to the younger generation a)hurts their sense of identity and belonging when it is very important; and hurts the future of the hobby that we are all so passionate about.  Honestly, how many hobbies are there left that can be shared on this level?

 

As the 15, 16 and 17 years olds learn about advanced automotive engineering concepts, practical applications of physics, and appreciation of another kind of beauty, of another knd of art - the kind of art that truly moves you (at 200+ MPH) -------where would we rather have them go?  To a rap music website?  To a video game website?  To a porn site?

 

I have been in front of dozens and dozens of judges both at the state and federal level - - - We all do not have anything to worry about should junior be "exposed" inadvertantly to an unsavory comment or image.  Having the youth on this site does a far more realizable beneficial contribution to their education and after-school time does the off-key image or comment do to detract from it.

 

But, I ask my fellow members who are in favor of banning the kids, what would you do if someone told you you were no longer allowed to talk about your favorite toy in the world?  Your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/partner would no longer listen to ANY of your model specs, delivery dates, available options?  You were no longer allowed to log on in a community dedicated to giving you the dialogue and information that you sometimes wait an entire day of boring stuff (work) just to get to?

 

If there are isolated cases of teens that don't belong here - then the moderators use their discretion and kick them off --the same as should be done to some of the adults.

 

If any member or sponsor or moderator would like to have a more practical conversation about the legal ramifications, I would be happy to explain the legalese.

 

I, for one, feel strongly that the kids should be allowed to stay.

 

Wow!

 

What the F@ck is this all about?

 

YOU are over 1 month LATE on this subject.

 

YOU have NO control over this subject.

 

YOU have NO idea what has been going on regarding ANYTHING on L/P.

 

YOU have been here all of ten days...