LP570 Superleggera Nring test and laptime

Here is a link to the scans:

 

http://www.germancarforum.com/gallardo/369...perleggera.html

 

summary:

 

Nürburgring-Nordschleife (20,6 km): 7.38,3 min – The Superleggera is much more stable than the LP560. 10/10.

 

Hockenheimring-short course (2,6 km): 1.09,2 min - The front tyres starts to give up traction after some laps, the car's tend to go understeered – just like at the R8 GT. The brakes are fantastic. 10/10.

 

Acceleration/braking (0-200-0 km/h): 15,4 s – Perfect Launch Control and brutal gearchanges. The results are impressive: 0-200 km/h in 10,6 seconds, nearly one and a half second quicker than an R8 GT. Maximal braking G-force: -1,28 g. 10/10.

 

Aerodynamic: 0,37 Cw – Surprisingly, the rear wing generates uplift instead of downforce. But the balance is good. 10/10.

Maximum cornering force: 1,35 g - thanks to the Pirelli P Zero Corsa tyres. 9/10.

 

36 m slalom: 139 km/h – Direct steering, a little bit of understeer at the limit. 10/10.

 

110 m evasive test (ISO): 155 km/h – The angry behaviour of the LP560’s gone, the Superleggera is safe, even at this evasive test. 10/10.

Wet handling: 1.38,0 min - the Corsa tyres are optimized for dry track. Traction is limited in the wet. 2/10.

 

 

 

 

Matches or beats the 458 in almost every category despite its age and old gearbox. cant wait to see what lambo releases to replace this car. I have no doubt they have the Mclaren in their sights.

umm the wing generates uplift? how could lambo even release a "spoiler" that does that

umm the wing generates uplift? how could lambo even release a "spoiler" that does that

 

 

Come on!!!! Are you surprised!!!!!!!

Come on!!!! Are you surprised!!!!!!!

I'm not.

lol @ Lambo's aerodynamic department, is it 1984?

 

Great review of the car however, lot of praise in that piece. To compare favorably to the R8 GT is solid, and the 9/10 and 10/10 scores show what the car is capable of.

 

Really a toss up between this and a 458, can't go wrong either way. And with the McLaren entering the fray the category just continues to improve.

 

Good stuff.

What does the 458 run the ring at? 2:38 is slow compared to many modern sports cars.

Nice..The car is on P ZERO Corsas though which will undoubtedly help its track times.. Otherwise the acceleration times seem slightly slow? 3.5 - 62mph? Wonder if Accichelli could tell me from my Vbox graph what my 458 did in relation to the times posted...

 

I still love the car..

What does the 458 run the ring at? 2:38 is slow compared to many modern sports cars.

458 is the same time as LP570 both are 7:38. R8GT is 7:34. Other cars in segment from top of my head are Turbo S PDK with 7:44. LFA 7:38.

 

Allan: here is their test for the 458: http://www.germancarforum.com/458-italia/3...458-italia.html

 

Some things to note: near identical acceleration times, and the same 0-200-0 time. their examples of the LP570 is 100 lbs lighter than the 458.

 

and for comparison their test of the 911 Turbos: http://www.germancarforum.com/911/36353-sc...-s-aerokit.html

 

458 they test was only about 60-70 lbs lighter than the Turbo S.

 

I wonder how the Mclaren will compare to all of these with its wet weight.

Come on!!!! Are you surprised!!!!!!!

 

 

I'm not.

That's not the first time I've heard that either. I've read somewhere that the front of the car produces lift also at straight away high speed. On both the 560 and 570. Just look at the front splitter, the lip is curved UPWARDS instead of toward the ground. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever heard of windtunnel testing or downforce quotient/measurement from Lambo on any car (like say, Ferrari does every time they release a new car). Not saying they don't do it or measure it, but it doesn't seem to be a big priority to them...Not surprising. But that's the problem. We arent surprised with Lamborghini's technological shortcomings, but still continue to be passionate followers of the brand. Is it design and exhaust noise alone, that keeps us coming back?

Is it design and exhaust noise alone, that keeps us coming back?

 

Yes, and for a limited time the availability of a stickshift transmission. Once that's gone, the edge keeps sliding towards Ferrari from a dynamic point of view.

 

 

458 is the same time as LP570 both are 7:38. R8GT is 7:34. Other cars in segment from top of my head are Turbo S PDK with 7:44. LFA 7:38.

 

Allan: here is their test for the 458: http://www.germancarforum.com/458-italia/3...458-italia.html

 

Some things to note: near identical acceleration times, and the same 0-200-0 time. their examples of the LP570 is 100 lbs lighter than the 458.

 

and for comparison their test of the 911 Turbos: http://www.germancarforum.com/911/36353-sc...-s-aerokit.html

 

458 they test was only about 60-70 lbs lighter than the Turbo S.

 

I wonder how the Mclaren will compare to all of these with its wet weight.

I would like to truly see how they would fair against each other.. Anyone have a Lp570 we can Vbox? I know I can get my car to go faster than 3.5 0-62.. Also id like to see how they compare on a roll on... According to their in gear graphs the 458 kills the lp570, but thats more than likely to a difference in gearing with the 458 being a 7sp..

458 is the same time as LP570 both are 7:38. R8GT is 7:34. Other cars in segment from top of my head are Turbo S PDK with 7:44. LFA 7:38.

 

Allan: here is their test for the 458: http://www.germancarforum.com/458-italia/3...458-italia.html

 

Some things to note: near identical acceleration times, and the same 0-200-0 time. their examples of the LP570 is 100 lbs lighter than the 458.

 

and for comparison their test of the 911 Turbos: http://www.germancarforum.com/911/36353-sc...-s-aerokit.html

 

458 they test was only about 60-70 lbs lighter than the Turbo S.

 

I wonder how the Mclaren will compare to all of these with its wet weight.

 

When you think of it, a 5-10 second difference on a 14 mile track is meaningless. Sure in a real race of pro drivers it is something, but for most of us, what is a 0.5 to 1.0 second difference per mile?? Nothing.

 

What about comparing these cars on steering feel, turn in responsiveness, under/oversteer bias, brake pedal feel, composure in cornering transition, body roll, maximum grip, etc. etc.?

 

Aram, Rakjoe, Kane, Mako....someone, step in and save the day.

 

 

Reality to the rescue!

 

The SL is only 100 lbs lighter than the 458 in your wet delusional dreams.

 

There are so many things that make a difference on a track of this size.

 

Both are good cars, but the 458 is light years ahead in the way it drives and technology. Don't get me wrong, as I have said, I really like the 570 SL. But its a no brainerer if you give me the choice. The 458 is the better car.

 

AND...none of this matters cause the GTR bone ass stock, does it in 7:24!!!!!!!

 

Kaaaaaaaammmmaaaaakaaaaaszzziiiiiii!!!!!! TORA! TORA! TORA!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK62yyQ33_U...player_embedded

 

 

There have been numerous straight-line tests done by multiple mags on the 458 and LP570 both in the US and in Eurpoe, and every single time from any speed to any speed, they've turned nearly identical times.

 

One is not faster than the other, no matter how much fans of either car may want it to be so.

 

Even from a dead stop all the way up to 186mph in the Euro tests the cars turned times within 2/10ths of a second of each other.

 

From a roll? Who knows, who cares. Probably going to go to the driver that gets the half-second jump, or the guy whose clutch isn't slipping, or the guy whose car makes a few more HP than stock out of sheer luck, etc, etc, etc, etc.

 

Bring on the MP4, this microscopic analysis of the 458 v. LP570 has already been decided as a tie for those on the sidelines.

 

And as Keith just said, there are plenty of cars dropping low times now for far less money than either. Thus the discussions we have should probably be more about the differences in how exciting/fulfilling/engaging each car is compared to the other as a more important metric of judgement as oppossed to the car that has the 2/10ths speed advantage on a Vbox run...

 

I love 60-130 times as much as anyone, but it gets to the point where they're both fast, they're both good looking, but which one is more enjoyable to drive. That's the real basis of eval I get hot for lately, and that's why it's been enjoyable hearing about the 458's virtues from Allan and the others.

 

It provides a welcome perspective change to enjoy and debate.

Reality to the rescue!

 

The SL is only 100 lbs lighter than the 458 in your wet delusional dreams.

 

There are so many things that make a difference on a track of this size.

 

Both are good cars, but the 458 is light years ahead in the way it drives and technology. Don't get me wrong, as I have said, I really like the 570 SL. But its a no brainerer if you give me the choice. The 458 is the better car.

 

AND...none of this matters cause the GTR bone ass stock, does it in 7:24!!!!!!!

 

Kaaaaaaaammmmaaaaakaaaaaszzziiiiiii!!!!!! TORA! TORA! TORA!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK62yyQ33_U...player_embedded

that test was shown to be crap...

There have been numerous straight-line tests done by multiple mags on the 458 and LP570 both in the US and in Eurpoe, and every single time from any speed to any speed, they've turned nearly identical times.

 

One is not faster than the other, no matter how much fans of either car may want it to be so.

 

Even from a dead stop all the way up to 186mph in the Euro tests the cars turned times within 2/10ths of a second of each other.

 

From a roll? Who knows, who cares. Probably going to go to the driver that gets the half-second jump, or the guy whose clutch isn't slipping, or the guy whose car makes a few more HP than stock out of sheer luck, etc, etc, etc, etc.

 

Bring on the MP4, this microscopic analysis of the 458 v. LP570 has already been decided as a tie for those on the sidelines.

 

And as Keith just said, there are plenty of cars dropping low times now for far less money than either. Thus the discussions we have should probably be more about the differences in how exciting/fulfilling/engaging each car is compared to the other as a more important metric of judgement as oppossed to the car that has the 2/10ths speed advantage on a Vbox run...

 

I love 60-130 times as much as anyone, but it gets to the point where they're both fast, they're both good looking, but which one is more enjoyable to drive. That's the real basis of eval I get hot for lately, and that's why it's been enjoyable hearing about the 458's virtues.

The 458 and lp570 are very close acceleration wise forsure..

Are you guys done bashing the LP570? I am amazed at how many of you speak not knowing what goes on behind the scenes or how much R&D goes into developping a car. Suddenly, evertyhing Lambo makes is shit and all the competition's cars are better.

 

What a joke.

 

There is a medium ground here and no single car will satisfy everyone and when you have an old platform that competes reasonably well and holds it's own with a brand new product, i believe it speaks quite well of the manufacturer in question.

 

Is the Gallardo getting old and dated? Yes it is but at the same time it is a very capable car . I know we are tired of it but let's still give it the respect it deserves.

When you think of it, a 5-10 second difference on a 14 mile track is meaningless. Sure in a real race of pro drivers it is something, but for most of us, what is a 0.5 to 1.0 second difference per mile?? Nothing.

 

What about comparing these cars on steering feel, turn in responsiveness, under/oversteer bias, brake pedal feel, composure in cornering transition, body roll, maximum grip, etc. etc.?

 

Aram, Rakjoe, Kane, Mako....someone, step in and save the day.

 

 

The Nurburgring tests are just promotional tools that really equate to not much in the real world. 99.99% of drivers will not even come close to getting within 70% of a car's potential.

Are you guys done bashing the LP570? I am amazed at how many of you speak not knowing what goes on behind the scenes or how much R&D goes into developping a car. Suddenly, evertyhing Lambo makes is shit and all the competition's cars are better.

 

What a joke.

 

There is a medium ground here and no single car will satisfy everyone and when you have an old platform that competes reasonably well and holds it's own with a brand new product, i believe it speaks quite well of the manufacturer in question.

 

Is the Gallardo getting old and dated? Yes it is but at the same time it is a very capable car . I know we are tired of it but let's still give it the respect it deserves.

 

Some of the vitriol isn't the typical bashing or hating we see on other topics, particularly when it comes from the veterans who own the cars. In their case it's more about their opinion that management has made mistakes that have now led to competitor products pushing Lambo off the stage.

 

The more hardcore enthusiasts are concerned about the future, about the massive depreciation hits they've taken, and about the sustainability of this model moving forward, so I can see their rage and understand where it comes from.

 

The fanboy nonsense from the cheerleader-brigade however, needs to stop.

 

Just because we're having a Ferrari renaissance lately thanks to Allan enjoying his new car doesn't mean that all the nuthuggers on the sidelines should swing back and forth each day claiming everything Lambo does is a mistake and everything the competition does is brilliant.

 

That I find annoying, so I can see how you would similarly.

 

In truth Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, and now McLaren, simply don't make "bad" cars.

 

It's like arguing between the top echelon of wine producers, or watch manufacturers...at the end of the day they're all pretty goddamned good and most would kill to own any of them.

The Nurburgring tests are just promotional tools that really equate to not much in the real world. 99.99% of drivers will not even come close to getting within 70% of a car's potential.

Except for me

 

 

Hey Ill be first to admit.. If I didnt already have 2 Gallardos I would of more than likely gotten a 570SL.

That's not the first time I've heard that either. I've read somewhere that the front of the car produces lift also at straight away high speed. On both the 560 and 570. Just look at the front splitter, the lip is curved UPWARDS instead of toward the ground. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever heard of windtunnel testing or downforce quotient/measurement from Lambo on any car (like say, Ferrari does every time they release a new car). Not saying they don't do it or measure it, but it doesn't seem to be a big priority to them...Not surprising. But that's the problem. We arent surprised with Lamborghini's technological shortcomings, but still continue to be passionate followers of the brand. Is it design and exhaust noise alone, that keeps us coming back?

 

Front splitters are supposed to be either flat or curved upwards in order to promote a low pressure region (encourages more airflow underneath the car) underneath the splitter and a high pressure one above and make it difficult for the high pressure region to mix and interact with the lower region. This is very simple terms, but think of a wing for an aircraft. They typically have more curvature on the top than on the bottom. This is to encourage a low pressure on the upper surface and a high pressure region below the wing. Now, simply flip the wing upside down. For example, the ASM S2000 with a shitton of downfore:

http://jiwungyun.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/070812_010.jpg

I would like to truly see how they would fair against each other.. Anyone have a Lp570 we can Vbox? I know I can get my car to go faster than 3.5 0-62.. Also id like to see how they compare on a roll on... According to their in gear graphs the 458 kills the lp570, but thats more than likely to a difference in gearing with the 458 being a 7sp..

 

Send the VBOX over I have a friend with a 570

 

 

Send the VBOX over I have a friend with a 570

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Not saying they don't do it or measure it, but it doesn't seem to be a big priority to them...Not surprising. But that's the problem. We arent surprised with Lamborghini's technological shortcomings, but still continue to be passionate followers of the brand.

I dont even know what to say to this. I dont ever remember reading a thread on here about a Gallardo or Murcielago being unstable at high speeds. Im sorry but any company whose slowest, least powerful car has 550 hp and does 200 mph, will be doing ridiculous amounts of aerodynamic testing well before any full scale model of the car is built.

here! Let me help you!

 

http://www.racerindustries.com/store/index...products_id=613

 

 

I can help you with my post box address, I have zero use for a VBOX.