New year, new plans..

I think Brooks car is a Manuel.. so he losses boost between shifts. If i recall he did it in 4.8

 

You car is an auto so you wont lose any boost between shifts.

 

even with 860whp on a mustang dyno the car should fly as it only weights 3300..

 

Thats not true. You still lose boost between egear shifts. Only dual clutches hold the boost between shifts as far as I know.

I will test it Monday when KC gets back. I wouldnt let those #s out until you take care of those races you have lined up.

4.x on a flat road or you can keep it...

 

great numbers Fadi. You really are going to enjoy getting back into a big power car!

Thanks Aaron!

 

Thats not true. You still lose boost between egear shifts. Only dual clutches hold the boost between shifts as far as I know.

That's why I love the DCT!! When looking at my GTR logs, I think I was losing .5-1 lb of boost everytime I shifted. It was nucking futs..

I think it did 4.7 (pump gas) before I upgraded the transmission/gearing.... after the upgrade I tried some race gas 60-130 runs with the boost uncapped and I kept spinning (old tires) and never got a clean run.... since then I put new tires on but haven't tried it again... all my runs were level, not 2.8% decline...

 

my spyder is close to 4000 pounds... my 2006 coupe was 3675 pounds after the turbos were on....

 

side note, my GT-R does 7.5 60-130 level and 7.2 with a 2% decline... it does make quite a difference....

 

 

Good info! So as I assumed, my car is more like a 860-870 awhp car with my set up on a MD.

 

Fikse, did you ever 60-130 your car when it was making the 1020 rwhp? It could give me a ballpark figure where I'll be at.

Fadi, I think you might trap 140 on pump

I think it did 4.7 (pump gas) before I upgraded the transmission/gearing.... after the upgrade I tried some race gas 60-130 runs with the boost uncapped and I kept spinning (old tires) and never got a clean run.... since then I put new tires on but haven't tried it again... all my runs were level, not 2.8% decline...

 

my spyder is close to 4000 pounds... my 2006 coupe was 3675 pounds after the turbos were on....

 

side note, my GT-R does 7.5 60-130 level and 7.2 with a 2% decline... it does make quite a difference....

 

Interesting to hear about the decline difference. Let's try to find some declines to compare before and after soon.

I think it did 4.7 (pump gas) before I upgraded the transmission/gearing.... after the upgrade I tried some race gas 60-130 runs with the boost uncapped and I kept spinning (old tires) and never got a clean run.... since then I put new tires on but haven't tried it again... all my runs were level, not 2.8% decline...

 

my spyder is close to 4000 pounds... my 2006 coupe was 3675 pounds after the turbos were on....

 

side note, my GT-R does 7.5 60-130 level and 7.2 with a 2% decline... it does make quite a difference....

Ok, so in theory I should go a tad quicker than 4.7 on a flat road given the slight advantage in power:weight. I will personaly strap a vbox on it when I get it back to see what it does.

 

Fadi, I think you might trap 140 on pump

140 on pump is not likely, but I sure hope you are right. =)

 

Interesting to hear about the decline difference. Let's try to find some declines to compare before and after soon.

Only reason I want to run on a decline is because I want to see how fast the car runs on the same stretch I ran my GTR on, which was on a 2.8% decline by my house.

weight and e-gear should help.... I wasn't shifting 'egear' fast...

 

A Heffner bolt-on e-gear LP560 went 140+ MPH on 93 pump @ 820 rwhp.....

 

my 2006 coupe bolt-on did 138.6 MPH with 800 rwhp (ms109)....

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, so in theory I should go a tad quicker than 4.7 on a flat road given the slight advantage in power:weight. I will personaly strap a vbox on it when I get it back to see what it does.

 

 

140 on pump is not likely, but I sure hope you are right. =)

 

 

Only reason I want to run on a decline is because I want to see how fast the car runs on the same stretch I ran my GTR on, which was on a 2.8% decline by my house.

Ok, so in theory I should go a tad quicker than 4.7 on a flat road given the slight advantage in power:weight. I will personaly strap a vbox on it when I get it back to see what it does.

 

 

140 on pump is not likely, but I sure hope you are right. =)

 

 

Only reason I want to run on a decline is because I want to see how fast the car runs on the same stretch I ran my GTR on, which was on a 2.8% decline by my house.

 

I stand by what I said originally ..... 60 - 130 mph under 4.5 seconds ... ALL day, every day .... You worry too much ...

 

140 mph trap with 759 rwhp ..... Hmmmm .... I'm thinking that's a long shot.

 

On the 2.8% decline ..... 60 - 130 mph @ 4.2 ish .....

 

So, when is truck going to drop it off .....

I stand by what I said originally ..... 60 - 130 mph under 4.5 seconds ... ALL day, every day .... You worry too much ...

 

140 mph trap with 759 rwhp ..... Hmmmm .... I'm thinking that's a long shot.

 

On the 2.8% decline ..... 60 - 130 mph @ 4.2 ish .....

 

So, when is truck going to drop it off .....

4.2? Love your optimism, haha.

 

Car is scheduled to be picked up anytime after 3/02 and delivered on/by 3/10.

4.2? Love your optimism, haha.

 

Car is scheduled to be picked up anytime after 3/02 and delivered on/by 3/10.

 

I'm not sure what your referring to for a 4.5 but it is possible on race gas with your car and I definitely don't think on pump gas. I just don't want you to over speculate as a freaking 5.0 is pretty fast to me!

 

It takes just over a 1000HP on pre-lp Gallardo stage 3 cars to do a 4.5 on a flat road. I think houstonT did a 4.4 in a SL and I did a 4.5 on pump gas stage 3 tune in my modded 06 SE. Mine had a 4.3-4.4 in it if I caught a perfect shift on the same road. Throw in some decline and I have no idea how that changes it but here in FL were pretty darn flat.

 

I definitely think that your car will have an advantage over the pre-lp cars because of the longer RPM range which stretches out the gears otherwise in a stock 08 tranny, you have to bang off the limiter to get to 130mph in 4th gear which complicates the times a little.

I'm not sure what your referring to for a 4.5 but it is possible on race gas with your car and I definitely don't think on pump gas. I just don't want you to over speculate as a freaking 5.0 is pretty fast to me!

 

It takes just over a 1000HP on pre-lp Gallardo stage 3 cars to do a 4.5 on a flat road. I think houstonT did a 4.4 in a SL and I did a 4.5 on pump gas stage 3 tune in my modded 06 SE. Mine had a 4.3-4.4 in it if I caught a perfect shift on the same road. Throw in some decline and I have no idea how that changes it but here in FL were pretty darn flat.

 

I definitely think that your car will have an advantage over the pre-lp cars because of the longer RPM range which stretches out the gears otherwise in a stock 08 tranny, you have to bang off the limiter to get to 130mph in 4th gear which complicates the times a little.

I am most certainly not talking about pump gas. I will be happy with a 5.x on pump.

 

I guess the reason I am a little skeptical of the 4.5 run (especially on a flat road) on race gas is because I know how fast my GTR was, and that thing was an animal! The TQ that car made in conjunction with the DCT made it a lethal street killer and wiped the floor with anything that came in its path. Knowing that, my GTR went 4.6 60-130 on a 2.8% decline.

 

Now, I know my 560 is going to make more power, but not all that much. I know the 560 weighs less too, but the DCT in the GTR makes up for the weight difference. The GTR also is going to make a shit load more TQ across the whole power band, I am sure. So if my GTR went 4.6 on a decline, I just don't see my 560 going 4.5 on a flat road. I am not being pessimistic, but this is my genuine thought.

 

Will I be happy with a 4.6 or a 4.7 or even a 4.8 in my car? Hell yes!! a 4.x is fast as shit! Do I think it will go 4.5 on a flat road? No!

 

Kevin, make me a BAMF so I can prove myself wrong..

No Gallardo weighs 3300lbs, lol. The lightest you will find anywhere will be close to 3500lbs Twin Turbo with a full tank of gas (Allan Lambo did have a lite one but his was an older model I think) and thats if its modded to hell to save weight (Superleggera, carbon seats, no extra accessories, etc...) The car is heavier than people think when turbo stuff is added on.

 

I'd love to see what a Lp560 weighs stock TT, I'd bet 3650 or so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is that have KC takes mine for a test Monday, lol.

 

 

Sorry I thought i read A superleggera weights like 3300..

 

The Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera is not only more powerful, but also more dynamic and lighter that a Gallardo 560-4. The model weights only 2954 lbs, making it not only 154 lbs lights, but also the lightest road-going model in Lamborghini’s range.

 

All these improvements have been possible thanks to the intense use of carbon fiber the exterior and interior components. Also, in order to improve aerodynamics, Lamborghini engineers remodeled the front bumper - three-dimensional, deeply recessed elements form trapezoidal frames for the large air intakes. Together with the V-shaped, sharply defined nose and the LED daytime running lights, the black elements give the front end a razor-sharp look, reminiscent of Lamborghini’s top model. Next to these elements, the Superleggera also gets new sill elements and a redesigned diffuser incorporating four large tailpipes a small rear spoiler as standard and a big rear spoiler available as an option.

 

The car sits on 19-inch units made from aluminum forged and wrapped in Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires 235/35 ZR19 at the front and 295/30 ZR19 at the rear. Customers can choose between: Verde Ithaca, Giallo Midas, Arancio Borealis, Grigio Telesto, Nero Noctis and Bianco Monocerus.

 

 

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/lamborghini/2...ra-ar83494.html

My Heffner GTT dynoed 1060Rwhp on Heffners dyno, and 988awhp on Alex's dyno as another example of the change.

My Heffner GTT dynoed 1060Rwhp on Heffners dyno, and 988awhp on Alex's dyno as another example of the change.

And this is exactly why I don't like to predict a car's performance based on dyno numbers.

 

For example, your car made 1068 rwhp at Heffner's and then 988 awhp on Alex's. FikseGTS made 1020rwhp at Heffner's and then ~870 awhp on a different dyno. Big difference in power figures despite the fact that both of your cars dyno'd similarly at Heffner's.

 

That's why I would rather let the trap speed/VBOX do the talking, and not so much a dyno number.

My Heffner GTT dynoed 1060Rwhp on Heffners dyno, and 988awhp on Alex's dyno as another example of the change.

 

Did you ever get some vbox figures on yours?

What about weights? I thought I recall reading somewhere that yours was then lightest TT I've yet to find.

There is another thread with snapshots of scales. Stock Performante coming in at 3700. http://www.lambopower.com/forum/index.php?...291&hl=3700

 

Not sure if we've got a snapshot of an SL on a scale.

 

I wonder how much weight I shed and then added back with the TT. Hmm.. may need to order some scales off Amazon.

Kisco,

 

I am getting mine weighed once the bumper and all of that goes back on next week. I was right at 3,615 with a quarter tank of gas in 2011 R V10. Only weight saving mod was the factory exhaust was gone with an after market one.

 

I would probbaly say the turbo kit is maybe 50lbs??

My car weighed in at 3520 with 1/4 tank of gas before the turbos. When I get it back I will put it on the same exact scale and get the numbers.

 

Lambofan35, IIRC, Allan's car went 60-130 in 4.8 secs with Jason Heffner behind the wheel on a level surface at a runway event. But it was on a hot day and a non dedicated 60-130 run. Allan can confirm.

 

duhawks, I know for the LP560 the stock exhaust is about 60 lbs. Assuming the worst and the turbo system adds a 100 lbs, the car should only be 40 lbs heavier than stock.

I was thinking 4.8/4.7. My GTR 4.4'd with 1000whp, but the trans helps a lot, even compared to the 560/R8 e-gear with quick shift.

 

Thats not true. You still lose boost between egear shifts. Only dual clutches hold the boost between shifts as far as I know.

 

What do you mean by "hold boost"? The shift in both cars reduces load on the motor which obviously slow the turbos down, the longer the shift, the less load the more the slow down. An e-gear car may lose x psi from 1 gear to another and take .30s, and a DCT car may lose 1/2x psi and take .10s, but neither "hold" any kind of boost between shifts.

 

Sorry if that sounded like nit-picking, but there isn't anything special about the DCT that allows it to keep load on the motor.

 

 

Sorry I thought i read A superleggera weights like 3300..

 

The Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera is not only more powerful, but also more dynamic and lighter that a Gallardo 560-4. The model weights only 2954 lbs, making it not only 154 lbs lights, but also the lightest road-going model in Lamborghini’s range.

 

All these improvements have been possible thanks to the intense use of carbon fiber the exterior and interior components. Also, in order to improve aerodynamics, Lamborghini engineers remodeled the front bumper - three-dimensional, deeply recessed elements form trapezoidal frames for the large air intakes. Together with the V-shaped, sharply defined nose and the LED daytime running lights, the black elements give the front end a razor-sharp look, reminiscent of Lamborghini’s top model. Next to these elements, the Superleggera also gets new sill elements and a redesigned diffuser incorporating four large tailpipes a small rear spoiler as standard and a big rear spoiler available as an option.

 

The car sits on 19-inch units made from aluminum forged and wrapped in Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires 235/35 ZR19 at the front and 295/30 ZR19 at the rear. Customers can choose between: Verde Ithaca, Giallo Midas, Arancio Borealis, Grigio Telesto, Nero Noctis and Bianco Monocerus.

 

 

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/lamborghini/2...ra-ar83494.html

 

US spec SL's are heavier than EU/ROW spec cars unfortunately. Not that huge of a difference.

What do you mean by "hold boost"? The shift in both cars reduces load on the motor which obviously slow the turbos down, the longer the shift, the less load the more the slow down. An e-gear car may lose x psi from 1 gear to another and take .30s, and a DCT car may lose 1/2x psi and take .10s, but neither "hold" any kind of boost between shifts.

 

Sorry if that sounded like nit-picking, but there isn't anything special about the DCT that allows it to keep load on the motor.

 

I am not sure what you are getting at. Did you read the post I was responding to? If less boost is lost during the shift, thats the same thing as holding more boost during a shift. The technicality of whats actually happening is besides the point. The point was that egear cars will lose a lot more boost during a shift than a DCT, and thats what matters.

I am not sure what you are getting at. Did you read the post I was responding to? If less boost is lost during the shift, thats the same thing as holding more boost during a shift. The technicality of whats actually happening is besides the point. The point was that egear cars will lose a lot more boost during a shift than a DCT, and thats what matters.

 

Got it, carry on then .

I dont see any boost loss on my GTR WOT.

 

How much boost loss does one see in a Lambo between shifts in the E-gear?

Holding boost between shifts definitely varies by the car, turbos, transmission, etc...

It helps a lot to stay in the power band.

 

For everyone who weighed the car with - 1/4 tank, add another 100-140lbs on top of it for the weights you SHOULD use to calculate the car. It holds a lot of gas and a 1/4 tank may not be accurate with multiple fuel pumps let alone safe when it's TT.

I dont see any boost loss on my GTR WOT.

 

How much boost loss does one see in a Lambo between shifts in the E-gear?

No clue

 

Holding boost between shifts definitely varies by the car, turbos, transmission, etc...

It helps a lot to stay in the power band.

 

For everyone who weighed the car with - 1/4 tank, add another 100-140lbs on top of it for the weights you SHOULD use to calculate the car. It holds a lot of gas and a 1/4 tank may not be accurate with multiple fuel pumps let alone safe when it's TT.

Ya, I'll be sure to be over a 1/4 tank if I am boosting. Last thing I want is to be short on fuel on a FI application.

 

 

Kevin says he has to finish your car this week before testing mine with upgrades...

I hope you enjoy the car and I will sure be looking for results from you.