So I know we're not supposed to talk politics - Presidential Election - Poll

Wheels i know youve never heard this before but shutup

 

 

Meanwhile senate is already shitmixed

 

 

 

 

Trump announces Transgenders will not be allowed to serve in the military ( sorry Jirre),reversing Obamas policy which was instated 7 days before the election

Trump admin official states the move is part of political strategy

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonathanvswan/st...202683721863168

 

Personally im very neutral on gay rights. Doesnt effect me one way or the other. Do what you like, bang who you want. If someone wants to serve our country and risk dying for it, I dont care if you're purple, green, male,female, or in-between. If you are physically able to achieve the standards the military has set and are mentally sound and capable im okay with it.

the problem comes in with the last part. Gender dysphoria is recognized as a mental illness and we dont allow mentally ill, physically ill people to serve in the armed forces.

The left is constantly telling us we need to keep weapons out of the hands of mentally ill ( which i agree with) but then upset when we dont want to put them in to a fighting force handling heavy artillery

41% of trans people try to kill themselves sometime in their lives.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/...empts/31626633/

the military is not a place for virtue signaling and political statements and battles to be fought. It serves one purpose. To be the most efficient ,dangerous,fighting force in the world. It should be nothing more,nothing less.

Lazy eye Huckabee Saunder at today's presser reading a kid's letter to Agent Orange and answering questions like how much money do you have. They start late, padded it with a 9 year's old rambling letter and then create BS excuses to duck out early, what a fcuking farce.

Trump announces Transgenders will not be allowed to serve in the military ( sorry Jirre),reversing Obamas policy which was instated 7 days before the election

Trump admin official states the move is part of political strategy

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonathanvswan/st...202683721863168

 

Personally im very neutral on gay rights. Doesnt effect me one way or the other. Do what you like, bang who you want. If someone wants to serve our country and risk dying for it, I dont care if you're purple, green, male,female, or in-between. If you are physically able to achieve the standards the military has set and are mentally sound and capable im okay with it.

the problem comes in with the last part. Gender dysphoria is recognized as a mental illness and we dont allow mentally ill, physically ill people to serve in the armed forces.

The left is constantly telling us we need to keep weapons out of the hands of mentally ill ( which i agree with) but then upset when we dont want to put them in to a fighting force handling heavy artillery

41% of trans people try to kill themselves sometime in their lives.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/...empts/31626633/

the military is not a place for virtue signaling and political statements and battles to be fought. It serves one purpose. To be the most efficient ,dangerous,fighting force in the world. It should be nothing more,nothing less.

 

I agree with this sentiment to an extent. What I would suggest if those numbers are correct that any person that identifies as trans goes through a thorough mental screening and if there are no screws loose, have at it.

 

Meanwhile Trump continues to shit on his own messaging if you weren't aware it's military heroes week or something like that.

Meanwhile, we spend 80 million to treat erectile dysfunction in the military, and forty one fcuking million on viagra.

Trump announces Transgenders will not be allowed to serve in the military ( sorry Jirre),reversing Obamas policy which was instated 7 days before the election

Trump admin official states the move is part of political strategy

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonathanvswan/st...202683721863168

 

Personally im very neutral on gay rights. Doesnt effect me one way or the other. Do what you like, bang who you want. If someone wants to serve our country and risk dying for it, I dont care if you're purple, green, male,female, or in-between. If you are physically able to achieve the standards the military has set and are mentally sound and capable im okay with it.

the problem comes in with the last part. Gender dysphoria is recognized as a mental illness and we dont allow mentally ill, physically ill people to serve in the armed forces.

The left is constantly telling us we need to keep weapons out of the hands of mentally ill ( which i agree with) but then upset when we dont want to put them in to a fighting force handling heavy artillery

41% of trans people try to kill themselves sometime in their lives.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/...empts/31626633/

the military is not a place for virtue signaling and political statements and battles to be fought. It serves one purpose. To be the most efficient ,dangerous,fighting force in the world. It should be nothing more,nothing less.

 

Here comes the butthurt...

I agree with this sentiment to an extent. What I would suggest if those numbers are correct that any person that identifies as trans goes through a thorough mental screening and if there are no screws loose, have at it.

 

Meanwhile Trump continues to shit on his own messaging if you weren't aware it's military heroes week or something like that.

 

 

Transgender is categorized as a mental disorder. Shouldn't that alleviate the need for a mental screening?

 

I too could careless about a persons sexual orientation. What you do at home or in your private life is your business, not anyone elses. I also have no issue with gays in the military. I do think identifying as a transgender in the military is a step too far.

 

Plus whats the big deal. Obummer set this in place as a good bye gift after not giving a shit about it for the other 7 years of his presidency.

Transgender is categorized as a mental disorder. Shouldn't that alleviate the need for a mental screening?

 

I too could careless about a persons sexual orientation. What you do at home or in your private life is your business, not anyone elses. I also have no issue with gays in the military. I do think identifying as a transgender in the military is a step too far.

 

Plus whats the big deal. Obummer set this in place as a good bye gift after not giving a shit about it for the other 7 years of his presidency.

 

I agree the timing was fucked. Orin Hatch is on board, being gay at one point was considered a mental disease. Let's see how your statements hold up in ten years. It was good to see a lot of bipartisan support for the t's. That said doing gender reassignment surgery on the government's dollar is ridiculous. What's next nose jobs and butt implants.

If we were to go with the mental illness line of thinking, I wouldn't be so afraid of transgendered people handling weapons but I understand the general point of restricting membership in the armed forces to healthy brains. The suicide issue is a much more realistic problem. Military life can create unique circumstances that contribute to service connected suicide. Add on top of that the stressors of transgendered life, and you've got a powder keg. Suggesting a screening process is to imply without evidence that gender dysphoria is "ok" on some level and "not ok" on some other level, which doesn't really match up with how we treat other serious mental illnesses. The military is dealing with depression and PTSD on a graduated scale (and shifting cultural norms) because they are being recognized as persistent illnesses often caused by military service. Those issues can still lead to separation from active duty. The really serious stuff is often screened out or was at least developing in a person before entering service and isn't service connected. There's no, "well you're only sorta' schizophrenic, so..." In the pursuit of basic force effectiveness, they need to draw the lines somewhere and either accept or deny people entry. When I was joining, you didn't see people protesting because they were denied entry for allergies or skin conditions, ala "eczema sufferers are people too!!" Nope, you just were told, sorry, go away because you're either too expensive to manage or too much of a detriment to force effectiveness. There are lists of those simple priorities that exist for a reason, so it becomes a matter of study and research to build a case that proves an illness is definitively not a risk of either dollars or lives.

 

But, things change. I had to have perfect vision with no surgeries and no allergies to fly. It's not because they fully understood that surgeries or allergies cause problems flying, but because they DIDN'T know and the risks of the unknown were too great and the resources too thin to fully research them. Now, there are waivers and surgeries that are fully endorsed and people who would have been disqualified are entering because we understand more problems better. We have a very slippery grasp on gender dysphoria as it is, and we definitely don't know enough to start making life or death decisions in the pursuit of social justice. So, just like allergies or corrective vision surgery, we need to get more knowledge and time under our belts before we go tossing risk factors into combat blindly. To those who would say, gender dysphoric people have existed right under your noses the whole time and haven't caused any problems, I say you're missing the point. I had eczema the whole time too and wasn't about to let that cat out to a flight doc. I was taking a gamble, albeit on a pretty mild problem (which is why I was willing to take it). If I had persistent migraines, heart palpitations, and a sleep disorder, I wouldn't be so willing. It's an entire system that does the best it can to reduce risk and get the job done. It's not perfect and it does to a great extent depend on the people within it, but it's all we can do. If the argument is that there IS science to say that transgenderism is specifically workable and not a risk factor, I'd disagree. Transgendered people have likely existed as long as humanity, but we're only now starting to define it and study it as such. Only recently are we starting to experiment as a society with how to factor it into our lives in the open. I'm not saying let's brush it under the rug and ban the trans forever. I'm just saying lets take a more lasting and serious look at it and let time run its course. It took us a hundred years to figure out that inhaling smoke was bad, so a little patience is in order here because it's not like we NEED everyone to join our volunteer fighting force.

 

The next factor becomes force structure and size. They wouldn't let me do my job if I had bad grades in school either. The smaller the force, the higher the barriers to entry. The size of the force, or the degree to which they want to focus its efforts, dictates who passes the wickets. If the entire force consisted of five people, how intense do you think the screening process would be? As a more realistic example, who do you think they screen to become astronauts out of how many applicants?

 

Using the military as a social engineering program NEVER works out, and it's the unit level people that suck it up and explore the risks. E-1 through E-4 are the little white mice of these social experiments, and it's not right to treat people like that. The military is a great place to isolate a reflection of our society in order to study it, but the key is that it can't start there. What exists in the civilian world can filter into the military world easily, and it does. The military can even serve to clarify what is happening in civilian society. I think people expect the military to be a proving ground because it's so decisive and orderly. Shit gets done there. In the civilian world, it's harder to mandate and measure. Plus, the military has a way of proving or disproving ideas that would remain unclear in the civilian sector -- purifying and validating theory. Thus, weak minds are attracted to using the military as a test bed rather than a fighting force. It is therefore usually those who haven't served who push this use of the military because the military exists outside the confines of their reality as an abstract entity.

 

...That said doing gender reassignment surgery on the government's dollar is ridiculous. What's next nose jobs and butt implants.

There are opportunities to get nose jobs, etc. in the military (for free) since there are military surgeons doing the work and they need the practice because the development of their skills becomes more important when they're finally put to the test reconstructing a soldier who lost part of their face in an explosion. I would agree that gender reassignment is tactically irrelevant.

Inmo, someone trying to figure out their gender, has far to much on their mind to put into battle where other peoples lives depend on them. Im pretty certain that if we did a poll here, if anyone was about to go into battle their last choice of a partner would be the transgender.

Very sensitive topic of discussion, thank you very much SingleSeat for another fantastic post, it's easy to scream discrimination until you have a proper insight of the inner workings.

 

Meanwhile, we spend 80 million to treat erectile dysfunction in the military, and forty one fcuking million on viagra.

 

Have any context for those $s or are we just to assume there are a lot of old guys that can't get it up and our taxes are paying for the treatment? OR, maybe those $ are primarily the result of our soldiers suffering from trauma either physical, mental, or both that cause erectile dysfunction.

 

I am all for buying boner pills for guys who have spent the last 2-3 years overseas fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan and due to trauma, they can't get wood without a little help.

Meanwhile, we spend 80 million to treat erectile dysfunction in the military, and forty one fcuking million on viagra.

 

 

You do know that Viagra is also used to treat hypertension, right?

I don't know my facts on DoD Viagra expenditures, but I do know that in some circles a diagnosis of hypertension leads to a cheap Rx and a diagnosis of erectile dysfunction magically leads to an insanely expensive pill of the exact same manufacture. Who is behind that? Well, it isn't the military.

 

I've seen those articles about costs of treating active duty transgendered persons vs. erectile dysfunction in retirees. The insanely inflated costs of ED drugs should factor into it and the president probably shouldn't exaggerate for dramatic effect, but they need to make the comparison of 5,000 trans troops vs. 5,000 non-trans troops to be credible. It's generally expensive to take care of retirees in any capacity, so ED drugs for retirees vs. transgendered medical care is a pretty lame comparison. How much do we spend on statins for retirees vs. transgendered people? Who cares, but its probably a metric fcuk-ton. If the argument is that they can live without boners, but not statins, that's a quality of life argument that needs to be for a different discussion among medical professionals. Prescription drugs are giant unseen money eating parasites in the budget.

One thing on transgenders committing suicide in high numbers, but this is likely partially due to the societal rejection and rejection from family and friends that such people end up going through.

Singleseat will you cut this bullshit "i am going to actually add value by being an adult and providing useful information" haberdashery???? We're trying to sling poo here.

Thus, weak minds are attracted to using the military as a test bed rather than a fighting force. It is therefore usually those who haven't served who push this use of the military because the military exists outside the confines of their reality as an abstract entity.

 

IMO, I think it also has to do with people who just come from a left-wing mindset that hates the military because it does the warfighting and has for years remained a "last bastion" of sorts against political correctness. Thus using the military for said social experiments they do not care.

 

There are opportunities to get nose jobs, etc. in the military (for free) since there are military surgeons doing the work and they need the practice because the development of their skills becomes more important when they're finally put to the test reconstructing a soldier who lost part of their face in an explosion. I would agree that gender reassignment is tactically irrelevant.

 

Interestingly, the origins of plastic surgery come from figuring out how to fix the faces of soldiers.

I'll just.. set this here...

 

could be fake news... shrug.

 

 

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/26/report-s...-the-very-rich/

 

 

How i feel about cnn, one story, beat to death by 10 different hosts saying the same thing around the clock

Shows you how Trump has no compass, doesn't realize that Sessions is probably his most effective cabinet member to drive home Bannon's regressive agenda. Today the Justice Department rolled back workplace equality protections for gays and lesbians.

...regressive agenda.

 

 

Honestly, wtf?!

Singleseat will you cut this bullshit "i am going to actually add value by being an adult and providing useful information" haberdashery???? We're trying to sling poo here.

 

Transgender is categorized as a mental disorder. Shouldn't that alleviate the need for a mental screening?

 

I too could careless about a persons sexual orientation. What you do at home or in your private life is your business, not anyone elses. I also have no issue with gays in the military. I do think identifying as a transgender in the military is a step too far.

 

Plus whats the big deal. Obummer set this in place as a good bye gift after not giving a shit about it for the other 7 years of his presidency.

nuclear bomb

 

Liberal meltdown in 5..4..3..2.1

nuclear bomb

 

Liberal meltdown in 5..4..3..2.1

 

Actually I think thats what going on tonight on the Senate lloor with the Republicans keystone cop routine on the healthcare votes. 7 years really and this is the best you can do, what a joke.