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  • 10 months later...

I'd like to thank everyone for their guidance in this thread. I'll post my comments on how to remove this thing and get it installed after the job is complete. I have it out... about it put it back in.

I would however like to quash some misinformation.

This is the part number of the starter and all it's details. I have done substantial research and am pretty darn confident this information is accurate.

 

Item Name Starter
Part Brand BOSCH
OEM Numbers 016 016 104 / 07M 911 023
square jaw opening [degree] 340 °
Pinion Rest Position [mm] 21 mm
Rotation Direction Anti-clockwise rotation
Flange ⌀ [mm] 82.5 mm
square mounting hole [degree] 20 °
Connecting Angle [Degree] 20 °
Position / Degree links °
Length [mm] 285 mm
Clamp 30,50
Rated Voltage [V] 12 V
Number of Teeth 9
Number of Thread Bores 0
Number of mounting bores 2
Bore ⌀ 2 [mm] 13.5 mm
Rated Power [kW] 2.3 kW
Bore ⌀ [mm] 13.5 mm
Starter Type Self-supporting
Supersedes 0 001 218 170

Cross reference and OE number list

Manufacturer
Part number
AD KÜHNER 255225B
AUTOTEAM SBO492
BOSCH 0 001 218 770
BOSCH EV (L) 12V 2,3 kW
BV PSH 300.923.092.210
CASCO CST10492GS
EAA EAA-121028
EAA EAA-121045
EAA EAA-121086
EAA EAA-121087
EAA EAA-121131
EAA EAA-121158
EAA EAA-121159
EAA EAA-121190
EAA EAA-121223
EAA EAA-121231
EAA EAA-121283
EAA EAA-121298
EAA EAA-121336
EAA EAA-121341
EAA EAA-121362
EAA EAA-121367
EAA EAA-121397
EAA EAA-121435
EAA EAA-121497
EAA EAA-121579
EAA EAA-121919
EAA EAA-121997
EAA EAA-122464
EAA EAA-122465
EAA EAA-122466
EAA EAA-122467
EAA EAA-122468
EAA EAA-122469
EAA EAA-122470
EAA EAA-122471
EAA EAA-122472
EAA EAA-122473
EAA EAA-122474
EAA EAA-122475
EAA EAA-122476
EAA EAA-122477
EAA EAA-122478
EAA EAA-122479
EAA EAA-122480
EAA EAA-122481
EAA EAA-122482
EAA EAA-141019
FARCOM 106249
VW 016 016 104
VW 07M 911 023

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As far as I am aware... this is a Lambo specific starter. I have been unable to find any other vehicle associated with ANY of the part numbers above. Prices range from $700-2000.

I had my local starter/altenator rebuilder work on my starter. He identified two issues for around $150.

1. Solenoid failing
2. Bearing dry and needed lubrication

He replaced my solenoid with the following part number ZF1975

Which has these as cross referenced numbers.

1319265    KHD
1011866    POWERMAX
1319265    KHD
137276    CARGO
227139    ERA
333141    CARGO
60-15-6646    WILSON
66-9189    WAI / TRANSPO
66-9189-1    WAI / TRANSPO
6660-2111    DIXIE
81011866    POWERMAX
9330331010    BOSCH
9330331510    BOSCH
9.40113E+11    MAGNETI MARELLI
AME0418    MAGNETI MARELLI
CSO10163    CASCO
SND11020    WOODAUTO
SSO10163    SANDO
UD14446SS(ZM)    AS-PL
ZM1975    ZM

Quick google showed that these solenoids are PLENTIFUL and around $20-30.

 

With all this information I hope the community will be now more informed and understand that this is not some boogie man but rather CHEAP and completely DIYable.

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Challenges getting it the starter removed.

1. The older your car the more likely the 2 nuts holding the starter down are seized
2. It took a substantial amount of torque to break these nuts
3. I would recommend minimum 10 inch 17mm/19mm wrench for the bottom nut
4. Top nut removal does NOT need camera I was able to repeatedly get my socket over the nut by feel alone
5. I tried removing the top nut with a breaker bar and the cavity did not lend itself to enough swing AND stability to break the nut (your experience maybe different depending on how seized the nut is)
6. I ended up using several swivels linked together plus another extension to get a 1/2 inch drive outside the cavity and THEN used my breaker bar... this worked for me.

 

Final tip... don't bother using impact tools on the top nut if you have a million extensions linked up together. Torque loss through the chain will make this method a complete waste of time. Just get that extension with swivels snaked out of the cavity and go nuts with a breaker bar.

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Thank you.  Great additional information on this DIY.  I believe the next person performing this would have a much easier time.  There is nothing like cranking a new/rebuilt starter with confidence that it will engage every time.

To reiterate from everyone's experience who has performed this, the most challenging part is removing the top nut.  And note that the top nut could be 17mm or 19mm.

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Don't know why LP doesn't let you edit your posts anymore... tons of typo's in my earlier posts that I'd like to fix. Most important is that my solenoid is a ZM1975 not a ZF.

Challenges getting the starter installed.

1. Gluing/adhering the washer to the top starter hole. Use strong stuff as you'll be slipping and sliding this thing in and out to get the bottom washer/nut installed. It WILL get knocked off.
2. I ended up using a magnet attachment on my camera to get the top washer back ON the bolt... was a crazy hard carnival game but less difficult than trying to redo the bottom bolt (which sucked... see below)
3. Bottom bolt is extremely cramped for my hands as I DID NOT remove the oil line... I would say this is the ONE and ONLY true downside of not removing that line. You end up having to use your left hand to balance/finesse the heavy starter, while your right hand is barely on the nut and washer, as you're trying to thread it back on (both of which are trying their hardest to fly out of your grasp) It was painful enough that I elected to play the carnival game in step 2 vs taking the starter off and re-gluing the washer.
4. Top bolt... I ended up using the camera... I lucked out and with little effort the camera was looking at the bolt and my moving about to get myself and my tools in position did not jostle the view much. In my opinion the camera is ultimately optional but nice to have. I believe with some patience I could have gotten the nut back on by feel alone

That's it... only 4... going on was much easier than going off. Everything else is pretty normal. I'll revisit this again in 10-15 years.

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This was so helpful and so useful.  My 08 LP-640 is starting to click.  Starter issues 100%...  

I'm going to follow this procedures mentioned above and get this going.  

 

Any Idea on the bearing part number?   Or a rebuild kit I can buy??? I had a hard time searching for the solenoid today.  But finally found it on a site.  Cost more to ship the dang thing than the part itself.  

 

PoKnow - You are very good and through.  I can't thank you enough!  :)

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