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48 minutes ago, alpha6164 said:

 

No they are not. I have spoken to Alex Gintani and he stated that he does not change headers at all but that he "extends the headers." This statement which I have asked on two separate occasions makes absolutely no sense because it means nothing.  "extending the headers" is the same thing as attaching cat delete pipes right after the header which is "extending" the header.   

 

The issue with many of these shops are that they are making exhaust for sound or fire and cracks and pops.  Ask one of them to post a before and after dyno. All these hops have dynos.  Do you wonder why they never post a before and after but post 75 videos of other things? 

Makes more sense. Thanks for explaining. 

Fortunately for me, I'm only interested in the sound and not the horsepower. 

good point regarding before and after dyno’s. I suppose exhaust buyers that are getting exhausts for the sound aren’t too particularly concerned about power especially when the Lambo’s already have heaps of power. I know that the Stardropper exhaust for SVJ weighs around 80kg!!!! That’s a huge increase over stock.
 

Having said that, titanium exhaust systems are typically designed to reduce weight which adds performance that can’t be measured on a dyno.

2 minutes ago, martz said:

good point regarding before and after dyno’s. I suppose exhaust buyers that are getting exhausts for the sound aren’t too particularly concerned about power especially when the Lambo’s already have heaps of power. I know that the Stardropper exhaust for SVJ weighs around 80kg!!!! That’s a huge increase over stock.
 

Having said that, titanium exhaust systems are typically designed to reduce weight which adds performance that can’t be measured on a dyno.

Gintani has a titanium option, but at 18K and an unproven system I stuck with steel. 

50 minutes ago, martz said:

good point regarding before and after dyno’s. I suppose exhaust buyers that are getting exhausts for the sound aren’t too particularly concerned about power especially when the Lambo’s already have heaps of power. I know that the Stardropper exhaust for SVJ weighs around 80kg!!!! That’s a huge increase over stock.
 

Having said that, titanium exhaust systems are typically designed to reduce weight which adds performance that can’t be measured on a dyno.

I kind of disagree. It’s one thing if it made no extra power but sounded amazing.  But how do you know it’s not losing power ? 
 

I’m not sure if you were around or remember but a couple years back when the factory was offering the race exhaust and tune and they claimed that it gained 10% power and now mind you this is factory not some little shop in California i’m not sure if you were around or remember but a couple years back when the factory was offering the race exhaust and tune and they claimed that it gained 10% power and now mind you this is factory not some little shop in California   

 

Well for once the smart buyer had his Aventador dynod the day before the exhaust installation by the dealership and had it immediately dynode after and he lost almost 50 foot pounds of torque in the process and gained 4 whp at 8500 rpm lol.  
 

He was in a battle with factory for months and they had no explanation and at the end of the day they completely removed this option which is why you can no longer but a race exhaust and tune for the Aventador from the factory cause they couldn’t even back up their claim.   

 

I don’t give a damn how good an exhaust sounds if I’m gonna lose 50 ft/lb 

11 minutes ago, alpha6164 said:

I kind of disagree. It’s one thing if it made no extra power but sounded amazing.  But how do you know it’s not losing power ? 
 

I’m not sure if you were around or remember but a couple years back when the factory was offering the race exhaust and tune and they claimed that it gained 10% power and now mind you this is factory not some little shop in California i’m not sure if you were around or remember but a couple years back when the factory was offering the race exhaust and tune and they claimed that it gained 10% power and now mind you this is factory not some little shop in California   

 

Well for once the smart buyer had his Aventador dynod the day before the exhaust installation by the dealership and had it immediately dynode after and he lost almost 50 foot pounds of torque in the process and gained 4 whp at 8500 rpm lol.  
 

He was in a battle with factory for months and they had no explanation and at the end of the day they completely removed this option which is why you can no longer but a race exhaust and tune for the Aventador from the factory cause they couldn’t even back up their claim.   

 

I don’t give a damn how good an exhaust sounds if I’m gonna lose 50 ft/lb 

Oh I feel you on that. I remember all that. I do have a tune on the ECU for more hp, so that should balance me out.

22 minutes ago, alpha6164 said:

I kind of disagree. It’s one thing if it made no extra power but sounded amazing.  But how do you know it’s not losing power ? 
 

I’m not sure if you were around or remember but a couple years back when the factory was offering the race exhaust and tune and they claimed that it gained 10% power and now mind you this is factory not some little shop in California i’m not sure if you were around or remember but a couple years back when the factory was offering the race exhaust and tune and they claimed that it gained 10% power and now mind you this is factory not some little shop in California   

 

Well for once the smart buyer had his Aventador dynod the day before the exhaust installation by the dealership and had it immediately dynode after and he lost almost 50 foot pounds of torque in the process and gained 4 whp at 8500 rpm lol.  
 

He was in a battle with factory for months and they had no explanation and at the end of the day they completely removed this option which is why you can no longer but a race exhaust and tune for the Aventador from the factory cause they couldn’t even back up their claim.   

 

I don’t give a damn how good an exhaust sounds if I’m gonna lose 50 ft/lb 

Exactly!  That was a huge embarrassment for the factory.  It took them months and they still can't get it to match its claim and they pulled it in the end.

Another good proof is the Balboni exhuast.  The VB exhaust made claims on its sound and its looks.  It never made any claim whatsoever on increasing hp etc...  Its latest model for the SVJ claims there is quite a bit of weight reduction.  I met Valentino and the exhaust manufacturer earlier at the beginning of this year.  Both stated that there is no gain in hp; only its weight advantage would lead to a slight performance gain (along with the looks and the sound).  If there is one person on the planet that I would trust as far as all things related to Lamborghini's, it would be Valentino Balboni; especially when his name is on the product!  

A lot of Japanese for example go for looks and sound but they probably tune their cars to minimise any losses. As I said their Stardropper exhaust weighs 80kg, if everyone cared about performance then Stardropper wouldn’t sell any.

59 minutes ago, alpha6164 said:

I kind of disagree. It’s one thing if it made no extra power but sounded amazing.  But how do you know it’s not losing power ? 
 

I’m not sure if you were around or remember but a couple years back when the factory was offering the race exhaust and tune and they claimed that it gained 10% power and now mind you this is factory not some little shop in California i’m not sure if you were around or remember but a couple years back when the factory was offering the race exhaust and tune and they claimed that it gained 10% power and now mind you this is factory not some little shop in California   

 

Well for once the smart buyer had his Aventador dynod the day before the exhaust installation by the dealership and had it immediately dynode after and he lost almost 50 foot pounds of torque in the process and gained 4 whp at 8500 rpm lol.  
 

He was in a battle with factory for months and they had no explanation and at the end of the day they completely removed this option which is why you can no longer but a race exhaust and tune for the Aventador from the factory cause they couldn’t even back up their claim.   

 

I don’t give a damn how good an exhaust sounds if I’m gonna lose 50 ft/lb 

I wasn’t speaking on behalf of everyone.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if it gained no power as long as it sounds how I want it to. However, I definitely don't want to lose any power. 

11 hours ago, Impslap said:

Personally, I wouldn't mind if it gained no power as long as it sounds how I want it to. However, I definitely don't want to lose any power. 

That is a fair assessment except we still do not know that since no one refuses to post before and after dyno 

On 10/20/2020 at 6:41 AM, alpha6164 said:

That is a fair assessment except we still do not know that since no one refuses to post before and after dyno 

Yup. I don't get it. I recall one tuner even went so far as post vids of the car on the dyno for an ecu flash yet no dyno results.

Well this thread now has a conclusion..... Turns out Gintani couldn't make the exhaust for other models. I waited 2 months on my order to find out that he promised something that couldn't be delivered. He gave me a refund. At least he can do SVJ's though.

 

BTW Stardropper (Brilliant by Sasaki-san) does not weigh 80kg. Lambo_Jesus is installing his today and he said the whole box with packing didn't weigh 30lbs. 

On 11/5/2020 at 8:59 AM, Kratos said:

Well this thread now has a conclusion..... Turns out Gintani couldn't make the exhaust for other models. I waited 2 months on my order to find out that he promised something that couldn't be delivered. He gave me a refund. At least he can do SVJ's though.

 

BTW Stardropper (Brilliant by Sasaki-san) does not weigh 80kg. Lambo_Jesus is installing his today and he said the whole box with packing didn't weigh 30lbs. 

looks like gintani was  misleading you or didn't want to sell to you,  he is acting a bit funny regarding the SVJ exhaust not wanting to show the design and stuff.  but yeah, I saw on the gintani insta page that he has indeed made an exhaust for his SV.

1 hour ago, Sup said:

looks like gintani was  misleading you or didn't want to sell to you,  he is acting a bit funny regarding the SVJ exhaust not wanting to show the design and stuff.  but yeah, I saw on the gintani insta page that he has indeed made an exhaust for his SV.

And it has two exit pipes like Stardropper....hmmm....

sounds are coo, most these exhaust on the market, they dont just not make any power, they will lose power and the low and mid range torque...........

 

 

Alex 

Watching the Savage garage vids and Dragtimes, it looks like their SVJ got slower after the Gintani exhaust. 

Hi mate,  I hope everyone is fine.

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And it has two exit pipes like Stardropper....hmmm....

 

they didn't copy the Brilliant Stardropper, they copied the Exhautech SVJ  exhaust  who makes the SVJ Stardropper.   It's basically an X pipe and I'm surprised  it can make the high pitch without a box.

I just got the Brilliant exhaust installed on my SV.  Sounds awesome... I also talked to Gintani and they could not show me a version of their exhaust for anything other than an SVJ, and I basically walked from that discussion quick, assuming they never made one for a regular aventador.

My only issue now is that I got a tune from VF Engineering an unfortunately the car goes into limp mode after idling for about 30 seconds after car is warmed up.  Throws an error code and I have to restart the car and hurry up and get into gear. 

Are there any good aventador tuners out there that really know what they are doing?  I feel like alot of tuners are doing guesswork.

18 minutes ago, Will Moss said:

I just got the Brilliant exhaust installed on my SV.  Sounds awesome... I also talked to Gintani and they could not show me a version of their exhaust for anything other than an SVJ, and I basically walked from that discussion quick, assuming they never made one for a regular aventador.

My only issue now is that I got a tune from VF Engineering an unfortunately the car goes into limp mode after idling for about 30 seconds after car is warmed up.  Throws an error code and I have to restart the car and hurry up and get into gear. 

Are there any good aventador tuners out there that really know what they are doing?  I feel like alot of tuners are doing guesswork.

They sent you pics of SVJ exhaust? When I requested pics they didn’t respond which made my exhaust choice easier.

On 11/6/2020 at 2:59 AM, Kratos said:BTW Stardropper (Brilliant by Sasaki-san) does not weigh 80kg. Lambo_Jesus is installing his today and he said the whole box with packing didn't weigh 30lbs. 

He wrote “kg” but must have meant “lb”. I was surprised when he said 80kg. That explains that.

On 10/20/2020 at 5:41 AM, alpha6164 said:

That is a fair assessment except we still do not know that since no one refuses to post before and after dyno 

 

On 10/21/2020 at 10:33 AM, Impslap said:

Yup. I don't get it. I recall one tuner even went so far as post vids of the car on the dyno for an ecu flash yet no dyno results.

 

This guy in the UK https://www.instagram.com/ lambo_jon/ got the Brilliant/Stardropper exhaust for the regular Aventador, full system (straight pipes, muffler)   He did before and after dyno and he gained 40 BHP (not wheel HP) if you look at the graph the power is consistent .

As I stated before the Stardropper exhaust for the SVJ is not made by Brilliant  it is made by a different company, this is the exhaust that Gintani basically copied. 

 

 

On 11/9/2021 at 6:24 PM, martz said:

They sent you pics of SVJ exhaust? When I requested pics they didn’t respond which made my exhaust choice easier.

 

this is the Stardropper SVJ exhaust, the Gintani looks like this minus the muffler box behind the X-pipe, the valves are located up top and some bend differences of the straight pipes(copied the original Stardropper ones).