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Lambo seats ARE made by Sparco. And yes they do arrive at Lambo in boxes that say SPARCO on them. https://www.sparcousa.com/oem
The interior parts that feature materials such as leather and etc, be it for the Huracan or the Aventador or even the Urus are hand made by the factory (and when finished are taken to the assembly line). Application process and stitching is made by hand, it does not come from a "Sparco box". Both seat options are unique to the Huracan (comfort seats also known as "sofas".) and Lamborghini (sports seats shared between the models). The rest is correct.Resale value wise HP is at an disadvantage at the moment compared to the 720S. Reason: Spyder (some owners are switching from Coupe to Spyder). 720S are doing resale wise similarly to the Performantes at the moment, you can get 10-20k off the sticker if you really try/have a good relationship with your respective dealer. The thing is depreciation for 720S will only increase once they do a Spyder. HP is already there, it won't drop that quickly going forward whereas 720S will, because people will be making a switch to the Spyders.
Long term wise one will go down in the history as one of the last N/A V10 engines ever produced, the other as one of many McLarens.
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MSRP $335
Miles 480
Asking $275
https://www.bentleygoldcoast.com/2018-lambo...ante-c-6623.htm
I would say it is night and day difference. And I say it with only visiting Pagani.Every part is hand laid dry carbon and then to autoclave it goes. There is no other manufacturer like Pagani other than Koenigsegg.
They are very different from all the rest.
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I believe you.
Dallas Lambo is VERY good at not haggling.
Performante Value Update:I met with the GM of my local Lamborghini dealership this morning. He showed me three Performantes he has for sale currently. They are all lightly used with varying miles. He said he paid 15K below msrp for each of them wholesale. he said he got outbid on a fourth Performante by another dealer at 15K below msrp! He said he has sold every used Performante at list and will sell the three he has at MSRP. He will not entertain a conversation of below MSRP on any new Performante. Now some will not believe this but I have a 7 year relationship with this GM and a 10 year relationship with the dealership. They have never lied to me.
So my conclusion is that at least in the Dallas, Texas market, used Performantes in mint condition are selling at MSRP.
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No offense intended bro. We are all here for the same reason. We waste too much $$ and time on cars.
Have you been to Lambo to see the cars being built?
If not, do. You will love it.
Here is what you will see. (don't be offended, I am just reporting what I saw).
The Huracans are on their own line. They are assembled in the literal sense. There are boxes from VAG, Sparco for the seats etc. I believe nothing on the Huracans is truly made in Italy. They make no attempts to hide the fact that the H is an Audi. It IS an Audi turned up to 11. We watched as they wheeled in stacks of fully assembled H bodies that I believe were made in Hungry. Fully painted. The (mostly younger) guys on the H line were just bolting the parts together. The H (and HP) engines are made in Germany.
The fact that the H is basically an Audi should not be seen as a negative. I could care less. The HP is a special car.
Then on the other side of the plant, they are making the Aventador. TOTALLY different experience. I saw NO boxes from Germany
. I am sure there are parts from different countries on the A, but it was almost 100% Italian. The A engine is unique the Aventador. The cars are painted in Italy at a small family owned paint shop off-site. (yes, they contract it out.) The paint process for the Aventador is on a totally different level vs the H. Did you know on all the tri-color cars the first color they use is bright green? We watched as the interiors were being hand-stitched (vs pulled from a Sparco box like the H). The workers on the A line were mostly older with a few gents that have been with Lambo since the old days. The Aventador is made like you THINK Lamborghinis are made. We then went up to Pagani (old plant). Pagani was creating their masterpieces just like Lambo was with the AV. Hand made, slow production, each part from Italy (except the engine/ trans)
Ferrari was epic. However, totally mechanized. I was disappointed how many machines were involved. To say Ferrari is a hand built car is not true. The Aventador was. What REAllY blew my mind was all the part Ferrari was getting from China. We were on a VIP tour with a small group of other folks. Wife and I wandered off a bit (outside of the painted lines that you are told never to cross) and saw the Chinese stampings all kinds of parts. Exhaust is MADE IN CHINA for the 458/ 488. Ferrari uses Tubi to make the tips. So when Joe blow owner looks at his tips he may see Tubi stampings even tho the actual exhaust is Chinese. Anyway, I lost a little respect for Ferrari. Seriously, for what they charge you would think they would use true Italian companies for their parts.
Guys, go to Modena. Go to all the plants. It will blow your mind and change your perspective. You may become a much more educated car person and not so susceptible to marketing BS.
The Lambo truck is nowhere near the same league as the A or even the H. I have seen several and egad are those things built to a lower standard. The paint is mass production. Fit and finish is the same. Save $200k and get a new Navigator.
I thought you ordered a HP last year but now the HP got you triggered? I tried my best to take you serious but when you start dropping "it's an Audi" and start claiming the 720s is reselling over MSRP I can't take you serious. And you do know the Aventador S roadster is out right? Maybe that's why Aventador roadster prices are dropping right? -
I dont think we disagree on a single point
Other than pricing of HPs. I am merely passing along real world buying experience. As many others have suspected the HP will follow the same depreciation curve as the other Huracans. Such is the way. Interesting about the engine tech in the MC. I didn't know that. With that said, I wouldn't care if I were in the market for one. Here is a great article on MC engines: https://jalopnik.com/this-20-year-old-nissa...aren-1793155467
You would be STUNNED by the number of parts etc in a modern Ferrari that are from...CHINA.
You can't compare any Lambo to Ferrari. Not for the sake of how the market sees the 2 brands. Ferrari is on a totally different level. The Pista will double in value. At least.
Lambo has always won the heart strings war with me. When I open the garage and see the AV Roadster it never fails to make me feel happy (and lucky).
Huracans are Audis. Its a R10! Audi just came out with a RWD version of the R10. As someone else here pointed out the next obvious move for the HP will be a RWD version. Clearly, he is right.
I doubt too many folks will use their HPs on the track. I haven't done a track event in a while (I have an Ariel Atom 3s for those duties). Friends who track all the time have kept with their z28s, Porches etc.
I cannot disagree more with your analysis. If all one wants to do is pose with his/her Lamborghini at malls and cars and coffee, the Performante is not the car to buy. The base (non SV) Aventador is king for that purpose. The SV on the other hand is both a performance car and an exotic that shows well. I have owned both and that is just my opinion.What you refer to as car nerdery is the reason the informed performance enthusiast wants to buy a Performante. The patented aero technology, the visceral driving experience all wrapped in a really cool design that is very Lamborghini. A large number of Performante owners track their car (likely higher than any other Lambo model owner). Prices are varying by market and no matter what our individual opinions are, the market is what it is.
As for the McLaren 720S comparison... I know two of my friends and two others I do not know personally have sold their 720S and swapped them out for Performantes. Why because the 720S is fast in a straight line but boring and unengaging on the track compared to the Performante. McLaren build quality is questionable too. An instructor that drove 3 different 720S's on track said all three behaved differently in identical settings (no BS, I talked to him myself). It still has a bored and stroked Nissan designed engine in it (just like the 12C) with dual Mitsubishi sourced turbos! I love Japanese cars and own one now for the nanny to drive my kids around. But I don't want my exotic with Nissan and Mitsubishi bits... Do you? The verdict from many is that the 720S is unengaging to drive especially on the track compared to the visceral Performante.
As for how it is priced, it is priced well, IMO, as it is cheaper than the Pista, comparable to the 720S (much cheaper than the rapidly depreciating 675LTand all other McLarens) and comparable to the Porsche GT2RS which is its closest rival in track performance. It beat the 918 Spyder in track performance at multiple tracks and those are priced at $1.5-1.9M. Themarket clearly thinks the 918 is not overpriced.
So I believe the Performante is a true driver's car and the most capable road going track car Lambo has ever built to date. The SV-J may change that! Speculators and poseurs are responsible for prices of exotics fluctuating to a degree. We have seen that with GT Porsches. Ultimately, if one is worried about depreciation, of a 320K car, perhaps one should not buy that car!
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Guys...I was offered similar deals on 4 cars. Honestly, they offered the discounts on my first call without me really asking.
Maybe it is your dealer who is not telling you the truth about the discounting. (more likely, no?)
HPs are special cars TO US car nerds. Not to the general car buying world who could care less about the nerdery that this car offers. $300k is a lot of dough considering all the competition (new and used).
I also think Lambo overpriced this car. There is NO way the HP is worth the same or even close to a 2014-15 Aventador Roadster. And yet, that is where many of them ended up. I bet that more than a couple wide-eyed HP buyers decided to get a slightly used V12. I would NEVER sell our AV Roadster for a HP. Never. Ever.
Mclaren owns $300k space for now. Their 720s is a next level car. It eclipses everything else in that price range. Thus, they are not in inventory and when they resell for MSRP + or -. Mclaren out Lambo'ed Lambo with the 720S design. Tech wise they surpassed Ferrari.
I still prefer the HP. Old school brute.
I know for a fact 10k off is possible and I can definitely see getting 20k but it will probably be for a fully optioned car...paint options alone can be 10-15K lolAt the end of the day Dealers will still Make their $$$
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Demand appears to have been met based on what is for sale. The buyers who wanted one have it.
The problem now is that the market is probably oversaturated with HPs.
my then new 2011 SL was discounted by around $40k off MSRP. Sticker was $282 IIRC. Bought it in 2010. In 2011 I traded it for a 09 Scuderia...even. The Scuderia originally cost $305. when new to the original owner. I paid what amounted to $190k, trading even with for the SL. Scuderia guy lost $100k....in 2009 the economy was a mess.
I know of a few very nice Scuderias with all the right stuff for around $210. My old 2011 SL is probably worth...$150k or less. Draw your own conclusions.
That means my 2011 SL is worth around 50% less vs when it was new based on MSRP. The same thing will happen for the HPs. It is the cycle of life for a Lambo owner. I bet that a $330 HP will be worth in the mid to low mid $200s this time next year.
I'm in Montreal QC...no such agreement was ever discussed or asked for from me, or anyone else buying at Lambo Montreal.Silverstar, the biggest MB dealer in the province, will sell me a G-Wagon...and not ask for any such agreement; I am sure. There is nothing exclusive about that vehicle...it's not an AMG Project One.
Only Ford has asked for this recently with the new NFGT, that I am aware of, but they have a total production of 250/ yr for 4 years and they are sold out many times over. I was unable to buy one, as were several thousand others who applied.
That car is worth a cool 2+ million today in the used market...if you know where to get it.
The Lambo dealer you're dealing with has decided to do this on their own. I don't believe it's a Lamborghini initiative.
I think Ferrari does this on some models from time to time...Lexus tried it on the LFA and now, many years later, there are still quite a few of them unsold, out of a 500-unit production.
Lamborghini won't do this because they will kill sales; they're not Ferrari, sadly; I wish they were.
There are a good 5 Performante's for sale at my dealer...and I am sure they will not be sold overnight...and they are not an insignificant dealer either.
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interesting....having bought several new and used Lambos I was never asked to sign something like that. Maybe its because I never specced a car...
Sure most had to sign an agreement that they would not resell within a year or give the dealership the option to buy it back. Forgot what the verbiage is, signed a few in the past on spec'ed orders. Once that time passes, many will hit the market. -
No doubt. Nice guy tho. 21 years old and he owns a Lambo store. Not too shabby. I have met many rich kids and most act like they hit a homer even tho they were born on 3rd base. He didn't act like that...classy kid.
I was referring to the store manager. Not Marc. Bruce Marx. Bruce is the business guy who runs the store for Vega. Bruce was one of the key guys who made COTA happen. CALL Bruce...
Not really into escalating over petty BS like this. Someday when actual money is involved I will play that card and not be the boy who cried wolf. I have met Vega multiple times, although he never remembers me. Too busy counting his billions and all his laferraris no doubt! -
3 dealers in texas....call them. You can get a car to your spec in 90-120 days.
Yup, heard the same. Majority will be 580's, decrease for all models including the 610. Also majority of the HP's been produced for MY19 will be spyders.I found out the hard way about allocation. I was late to the game last year because I thought the HP would be fairly easy to obtain and my SA was feeding me BS about allocation. Boy was I wrong, turns out I had to wait almost 9 months and a new model year to finally get my HP which is finally landing in July.
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Ask for the owner. Go around Marc. For a fact the CEO of Lambo is watching them and making sure they can sell cars.
Funny, I had been talking to them recently as well. They wouldn't go anywhere near 8% off for me. Marc (the GM) wouldn't even tell me the MSRP, lol, I had to find out through another source. I wasn't so much offended as i was confused. It's a very "interesting" way to try to sell cars. -
this looks like a well specced car. They are asking less than $300k. Offer them $280-283. I bet you will end up at 290.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Huracan-Performant...QI2&vxp=mtr
Lambo Austin....and there is another new dealer in NC.
New dealers are under massive pressure to get sales or Lambo won't sell them cars.
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Lambo Austin....
and there is another new dealer in NC.
New dealers are under massive pressure to get sales or Lambo won't sell them cars.
I'm not able to PM because I'm a new member. Is it possible for you to PM me? Thank you. -
I offered 10% off MSRP on a HP. They told me they would only go 8%. I would assume you too could get the same deal. Wife couldn't deal with the sport seats. PM me for dealer connection. Car is still for sale (they have had it for 4 months).
I turned away a demo perf for $10k under sticker. -
HAH...I bet you are right. That makes total sense.
Next HP we will see will be RWD. -
it IS listed as pre-owned. With less than 700 miles that is a new car...
New car...great options, $322 MSRP with a $299 price from a Lambo dealer.That is a 8% discount which is their margin. (so I was told).
Tells me that maybe Lambo is offering
back end money to the dealer for sales. In other words, the dealer can lower the price..lose their margin...and Lambo might be still giving them $$.
OR
dealer just moving an upsold car to avoid the carry.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Huracan-Performant...l~K&vxp=mtr
These cars appear to be following the normal first-year depreciation cycle of most every new high-end car. 15-20% loss in year one.
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New car...great options, $322 MSRP with a $299 price from a Lambo dealer.
That is a 8% discount which is their margin. (so I was told).
Tells me that maybe Lambo is offering
back end money to the dealer for sales. In other words, the dealer can lower the price..lose their margin...and Lambo might be still giving them $$.
OR
dealer just moving an upsold car to avoid the carry.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Huracan-Performant...l~K&vxp=mtr
These cars appear to be following the normal first-year depreciation cycle of most every new high-end car. 15-20% loss in year one.
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more for sale...https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=t75677&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=&zip=78628&distance=50000&searchChanged=true&trimNames=LP+640-4+Performante+Coupe+AWD&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#resultsPage=2
No way the Performante will hold value or appreciate...like pretty much all other cars, it will sink like a stone the day you get it. I could care less; I bought this car to enjoy, and if that's the entry price to enjoyment, I'm all in! -
Guys, the non standard colors MAY BE hand painted.
TTz that really sucks, that’s beyond unacceptable, very sorry to hear that it spoiled your ownership experience.How do you enjoy the car otherwise?
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Go see the car, take pics. AND TODAY at Lambo Austin the CEO of Lambo is hosting a private event for the grand opening of the Lambo Austin location. Call Marc and get on their list (easy) to attend. Go talk to the CEO. Seriously.
I have heard of this several times. The work around is to wait 6 months or so the clear bra the car. Sorry to hear about the trouble. -
I am watching this as well. Would love to add one. Having taken many beatings on new Lambos my crystal ball is telling me to wait a bit. I know of 23 cars for sale. Dealers have cars not advertised. Car Gurus (a scrapper site) has a good list as well. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylist...rsModified=true
Love this car! I'm looking to get into a performante and right now I'm seeing more than 15 of them on the market.I don't see them moving at current asking price though. -
Depreciation thread..back on topic.
the 720s are selling for over MSRP. Friend looking said there are a few out there at dealers over MSRP. Used ones are selling over MSRP. Maybe the 720 will depreciate LESS vs the HP. Used HPs are already for sale for less than MSRP and you can get a new inventory car from a dealer off MSRP.
the perf has shown the world that Lamborghini is not just show anymore! The urus is the icing on the cake IMO. looks, sound, record SUV performance stats and practicality makes Lamborghini stand alone now. I'm loving what the brand stands for now! good times for sure! -
Lambo is a flea vs Porsche. Porsche is VAGs main focus. Notice how Porsche head guys never move TO Lambo. Tells you how Lambo is seen within VAG. red headed step child.
Porsche will never let Lambo dominate beyond the traditional WOW look at me factor.
I only marginally care. Porsches are BORING vs the modern Lambos. Even the GTs. With that said
the GT3 are a great (perhaps the best) overall 'value' in the sports car world.
This. Let`s say there is a friendly competition between the two VAG brands. -
+ 100.
The only wild card that may make the HP depreciate less vs the 570s is if Lambo were to find an audience with the Mac / Ferrari and Porsche buyers. Lambo is still seen as more flash and show-off vs performance. If IF Lambo changes that perception then the world shifts for Lambo.
If the HP is an indication of how the Lambo brain trust is thinking we will see possibly a new era for Lambo.
I have heard that Lambo is going to be in F1...
The Huracan Performante will do better (with 99% certainty) than the McLaren 720S but not as well as a Ferrari 458 Speciale or the upcoming 488 “GTO”The Gallardo Superleggera and its depreciation tragectory is indicative of the Performante, I think. The Superleggera has done very well in the long run.
Will Performantes Hold Value?
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clean carfax....just ran it.