Clax
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You should hang out on LP more often brotha.
I probably should. All work and no LP makes Clax a dull boy. ;-)
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I haven't visited the site in a while, it is good to see that you guys haven't lost your sense of humor! Hope all is well.
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Still available, in case anyone is interested.
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Most all runs are made from a rolling start from ANY manufacturer. Porsche had thier car ran by Walter Rorhl. I am sure you know who that is, if not, I will too you. He is is a German rally and auto racing driver, with victories for Fiat, Opel, Lancia and Audi as well as Porsche.
This ZR1 run was made by a GM TEST ENGINEER, w/o a pro driver, and head-wind. Stock suspension, stock tires, no tuning, stock everything as stated in the article.
The N-ring times speak for themselves, and any car that can out run a CGT on the N-ring deserves credit, MUCH credit!!
I don't take away anything from GM, the ZR1 deserves credit for sure. However, GM does put a lot of effort into maxing out their N Ring times. They spend multiple days there, unlike magazine publications where they might do 4 or 5 laps at the most. N Ring times are not unlike any other published times. The car they used may well be "stock", but was it blueprinted from top to bottom? It will be interesting to see what the automotive publications acheive on the same track with the ZR1. My guess is there will be a huge gap in the times.
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Just read the blog entry and it states that the lap time was acheived with a rolling start. Makes we wonder now how many of the posted N Ring times are standing start versus rolling start.
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Every car manufacture is going to run their cars at the ring over and over again until they get the best time. This is common practice. You don't just go out there, run once, and call it a day.
That is an incredible time putting it ahead og the 997 GT2 and the CGT. ( I think this is the first mass producd vehicle to run faster than a CGT, no?)
997GT2 times and CGT times were not conducted by Porsche, they were done by automotive publications. You may think that it is common practice (for the corporations to go through this laborious process to get the best N Ring times), but it really isn't as common as you think. GM seems to be doing this more often than any other manufacturer, they did it with the Plastic mess-06, the CTS-V and now the ZR1. Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. have not really done this at the N Ring.
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Quarter mile 11.2 sec @ 126.7 mph
The higher sciences have always been my weak point, but is it physically possible(factoring in weight,drag, gross power vs parasitic loss,etc) for a 3000+lb car with only 500hp to reach this speed in 11.2 seconds???
I would have to say yes, it is possible. Is their test repeatable? Who knows. The car is lighter than 3000 pounds, based on the data that I have seen. Regardless, I think the Scuderia acheives a lot of its performance gains from a number of smaller factors that, when combined, end up making a noticeable difference in performance. Those factors would include: shift times, powertrain efficiency, fast throttle response, computerized traction control (E-Diff in Race mode is amazingly efficient), and launch-ability of the new gearbox. Each of those factors on their own is somewhat small, but all added together the difference becomes noticeable.
I think that this car really represents what the future of many exotics will be heading towards. And that is really maximizing each of the factors in the overall engineered package.
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ya but the LP640 lap time was the same as the CGTs...
What's your point? Should one be significantly faster than the other around that track?
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On the Top Gear test of the Scuderia this past weekend, it pulled a lap time just slightly behind the Enzo, but ahead of the CGT and LP640.
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Should be interesting to see what the performance is like in the real world.
As for the data being worthless, there is one worthy piece of data, and that is that the Scuderia has numbers almost the same as the Enzo at the same test facility, under similar conditions. I'm sure the V12 begins to shine as the speeds increase, but at anything 0-130mph, the Scuderia looks to be damn impressive. Time will tell, as these magazine tests are mostly hype anyway, regardless of what brand of car it is.
Aside from the performance numbers, their technical data in the article is very well done. I don't think I have seen an American automotive publication go into that much technical detail before. I like the comparison between the DSG and F1 Superfast clutch technology.
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Thanks for your 2 cents. I'll be sure to check with you before I make any future exotic car purchases.
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The bid could be fake, but the BIN price isn't. A bigger rip off than the Reventon?
With only ONE bid at EXACTLY 100 grand, I would say that this is most certainly a fake bid.
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wow, that is a nice set up.
...but for the money, you could have 15 Fiero's!
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Explain to you why"? That is like explaining why I like a certain model of watch versus another. In case you don't realize it, opinions of cars are SUBJECTIVE. Yes, that's right, it's not science, it's not numbers on paper, it's not what some writer says in a magazine. Why should I have to explain to you "why" the car is great?
As for it not "being what we hype it up to be", again, that is your SUBJECTIVE OPINION. Do I care about your opinion? Mmm, no. Should you care about mine? No.
Let me play your game for a moment. You said that you can "get many other cars that are just as fast, exotic, easy to mod, etc. for the same price or less." Enlighten us, and explain to me "how".
Oh jesus, I just read the post above where the guy admits to owning a Fiero. And here I was writing all this crap above. What a fcuking joke. Sorry, I'm a little edgy today.
I take it back, please don't explain anything more to me. Enjoy your Fiero.
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i'm not knock it because it's a for. i actually like the car. i just don't think that it's what you guys are hyping it up to be. it a great car, i won't take away from that. but you can get many other cars that are just as fast, exotic, easy to mod, etc. for the same price or less. if i am so wrong in my statements, than explain to me why?
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Explain to you why"? That is like explaining why I like a certain model of watch versus another. In case you don't realize it, opinions of cars are SUBJECTIVE. Yes, that's right, it's not science, it's not numbers on paper, it's not what some writer says in a magazine. Why should I have to explain to you "why" the car is great?
As for it not "being what we hype it up to be", again, that is your SUBJECTIVE OPINION. Do I care about your opinion? Mmm, no. Should you care about mine? No.
Let me play your game for a moment. You said that you can "get many other cars that are just as fast, exotic, easy to mod, etc. for the same price or less." Enlighten us, and explain to me "how".
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I love the clowns that knock the FGT because "it's a Ford". Go buy a Jalpa then, it says Lamborghini on it. Everyone will be very impressed.
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Still available!
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Been watching this car down in La Jolla for a while. Eric is a good man! I'm thinking about purchasing it. Some of the salesman were concerned about ferrari's policy, but aside from all that... that enzo is sick!!!
What do you mean the salesmen are concerned about Ferrari's policy? I don't follow what you are saying.
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Luggage still for sale. First reasonable offer will be accepted.
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Sounds reasonable to me. It is one of the few cars that is still new. And, in my favorite color combo. ;-)
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Not trying to hijack but why arent prices of used GTs dropping? Instead they are just going up? I was trying to convince my dad that this is a worthy alternative to a 360 or G but they are not depreciating like Id expected. Did they build a small amount?
The main factor driving the prices is that current owners (like me) aren't interested in selling. So, here you have a bunch of people that were waiting in the weeds to "get a deal", and still want the cars. The only problem is that the owners aren't willing to let them go. Somebody could offer me exactly what I paid for the car, and I wouldn't take it. I know that I would regret selling the Ford GT, and I think many owners are in the same boat.
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It's not a surpise to see many of these cars getting crashed. The Ford GT has so much torque, and no traction control. In the hands of an average driver, it can't be driven to anywhere near capacity. In the hands of a capable driver it is a blast, but you are constantly correcting with steering inputs and throttle modulation. To me, that is what makes the car so damn fun to drive. It literally is like taming a wild beast, holding on, and smiling.
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Is the car sold to a new owner, or just for sale? Symbolic has it advertised right now. If it is still for sale, anyone know the details on this car?
Gallardo Luggage for Sale
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Sold. Thanks for the emails and messages.