jason1st

Well, at least you're funny! :lol: Thanks Man!!

In addition to your "my-car-is-faster-than-yours insecurities", now you can't read. When did I say that? And how is the Plastic mess-06 going to slow sales of Lambo's? If a guy who can afford a Lambo wants a Plastic mess-06, he'll get one, beat the snot out of it for shits & giggles, then complain about the plastic interior, shitty seats, creaky noises, jittery handling on less-than-ideal surfaces, and sell it in 1-2 years. Will that impact his future purchases of Lambo's? I certainly don't think so. On the other hand, people who cannot afford a Lambo or Ferrari, but can afford a Plastic mess-06, will buy one, chase around anyone on the street that will race them and swear that they would not have a Ferrari or Lambo over their Plastic mess-06. Bro, You win!! You're right, I'm wrong You're smart, I'm stupid You're good looking, I'm not so attractive!! :goodman:

OK, You guys win. I just wanted to talk about it. I think it's interesting. Sorry.

Not this again. Wake up. He was illustrating that there are other cars out there, other than the Plastic mess-06, that fall into the flat-out-performance category. So what. As far as stepping up, Lambo, Ferrari, Porsche, etc, etc are stepping up every day. You seem to have some problem driving an exotic car when there may be another car out there that is slightly faster than yours. That's just sad. I would recommed a visit to Stuart Smalley or Dr. Phil to sort out your issues. Or, just go buy a Plastic mess-06 and a Lambo so you can cover all your bases of insecurity. So you don't feel that Lamoborghini is in the performance category?

I agree that the market will dictate. That's what free market economy is all about. Therefore, I disagree with you that the ZO6 will have no effect on Lambo, Ferrari and Porsche sales. I have read of a lot of people waiting to buy until the Plastic mess-06 comes out. I may be wrong. You know what they say about statistics. Granted, Covette has always been there, but I have never seen so much hype given to a POS as a "Supercar" as there is with this new Plastic mess-06. I wll never buy a Plastic mess-06, but I can't say that it's hype hasn't slowed me from getting into another exotic. It has. There are articles on it everywhere. I think it will push the exotics to new levels. This is what has pushed me into going with the Lemans (When it ever comes out) for right now. Afterall, it's just an Audi. I'll probably save my exotic money and go for something more collectible in the future.

I'm not sure what F1 cars have to do with this. They have nothing to do with street legal cars at all. I think Noble and Ariel are great examples. They are literally new born in the auto-world, and make relatively cheap cars that will outperform just about any other production car. And still looks better than most of them. Ok, the Ariel may not look like a car As for the value of cars, the less that is made of them, the slower they fall in value (of course). I’m not saying you will make money on a G (you won’t), but a POS will drop a lot faster (compared to the initial value). OK then, let's take the Noble as an example. I would drive one over a POS but I still wouldn't drive one. But if a noble can accomplish what you are saying for so much less than a G then don't you think Lambo needs to step it up? As for losing value. If a POS only costs me $65,000.00 and I end up selling it for $45,000.00 the I lost $20K. Do I not stand to lose the same amount or more with a G car considering it costs so much more?

I'm not sure Noble and Ariel are good examples. Why are you taking the stance that making a fast car is not expensive?? How much do F1 cars cost to build? I have owned a lot of cars. You know what? I've never made money on any of them. They all drop like rocks. If you want to get into Enzo, McLaren, F40 territory you are talking a whole different animal compared to a Gallardo. Those are collector cars and you probably will make money on them.

First of all, changes are being made at every car manufacturer, in every segment of the market, every day of the year. That's how cars get built and continuously improved. The new 06 Gallardo has shorter gearing, 20 more horsepower and updated steering. The 07 Murci will have a larger displacement engine expected to have another 50-60 horsepower than the current model year. Second of all, NO, the "high end guys" don't have more money to work with. More money than GM? I don't think so. You seem to have a really weak grasp of all things automotive. And I'm still eagerly awaiting for you to tell us all about your driving experiences with the list of exotics. Clax, Once again, did you read my last post? I own a manufacturing company. I know how manufacturing works. I know how R and D works. I think it's great that Lambo is making these changes. As for the "High End" guys don't have money. I have to disagree. GM is in the red. Mercedes doesn't have the money? Audi doesn't have the money? Ferrari doesn't have the money? You are saying the reason the ZO6 may be faster is that Lambo doesn't have the money to build a faster car? With this statement aren't you making your own point moot? As for my car experience here we go. I have owned: 355 360 SL55 Sl500 S55 Viper A8L Audi (now) I am on the list for Audi LeMans which right now is built on the Gallardo frame. If it doesn't get here soon I will just get a Gallardo. I have driven: F40 ZO6 (old one) Gallardo 911TT Countach Diablo Hell.. a lot of cars. I don't know. My apprehension with going with another exotic is things like the ZO6. I feel like the exotics need to take it to the next level. If not in terms of performance then definitely in terms of serviceability, warranty, service, etc. I know Lambo is doing a very good job with this already. I'm not going to get a ZO6. But I think it's pretty cool what they are doing with it. I don't feel it should just be written off the ay it has been in the past.

Clax, Why are you so emotional? Am I calling you names? I thought we were having a philosphical discusion. I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth. I am relaying information that has already been stated by yourself and others on this thread. You stated the lap times between the Gallardo and the ZO6. Are you reading all the way through my posts? I don't know which car is faster. Based on what others have said it this thread it seems the consensus is that the ZO6 is faster. I am saying that if it is faster I think the exotics need to step up a level. That's all. Take a chill pill!

I agree that a Professional driver will have a better time. No Doubt. Why hasn't the same driver raced both cars yet?? Or do you think that is to come? IMHO, if the same driver drives a Gallardo, Murcielago and a ZO6, the lambos should smoke the ZO6 by a large margin. If all cars come across with the same times I think some changes need to be made at Lambo. I think it's time for the high end guys to step it up a level. Especially considering they have more money to work with. Do you not agree?

Well then, your guess would be wrong. Dude, I am agreeing with you. I would rather have any of those cars over a POS. In the past you could say a POS was a P.O.S. because it was. But now, it's gonna beat all of those cars at the track. You can still call it a P.O.S. but I think there is less justification now. I am only saying that I think the High End Car manufacturers are getting a free pass from most owners on this issue when they should be saying "WTF"??

"Own" what at the track? The Gallardo? I doubt it. The new Plastic mess-06 is probably on par with the Gallardo at the track, and that's where I'd leave it. As for the Nurburgring numbers of 7:43 for the Plastic mess-06, the Gallardo has been timed at a similar pace. And if price is directly proportional to performance in the exotic/supercar world, I guess you can't justify the price of an Enzo, CGT or Pagani? Why don't you ask 10 people who can afford a Lambo if they would rather have a Plastic mess-06. What answer do you think you'll get? I love all these POS nut huggers coming to the Lambo sites to say "gee, it's funny how the new Plastic mess-06 can beat a Lambo, huh?". Wow. Better trade up for a POS. Here are a list of cars that the Plastic mess-06 can either outperform, or is on par with in terms of performance: Gallardo Diablo F430 360/CS 575 512TR Ford GT 911 GT2 911 GT3 Esprit Turbo V8 SL55 Guess which of those cars I would rather have than a Plastic mess-06? ANY ONE OF THEM. My Point exactly. Of course, I would take any of the cars on that list over a POS. But, there's never been a time when a POS, straight out of the box could beat all of those cars at the track. All I'm saying is that instead of defending the high end manufacturers by saying "I'd rather be seen in a Gallardo than a ZO6" I think their feet should be held to the fire. I brought up "Kit Cars" because they are all about getting the "LOOK" without paying for it. Right? Kit Cars always have Chevy engines and are basically crap. But, some would argue that you do get the "LOOK". All I am saying is that there are folks on this thread saying the same thig as a reason for driving a Lambo over a POS. Like I said, I don't disagree with this concept. But, I also don't agree with giving Lamborghini a pass based on "LOOKS". I think drivers of Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, etc. should be saying WTF?? Instead of "Oh, that's ok, my car still "LOOKS" better".

If BMWRACER hasn't BANNED you already, here- -James Miller <-stupid Jeez Guys, Yer Killin' me. Look, I love Lambo's. Id' never, ever, ever, drive a POS. I'm on your side!! Remember the days when Lambo and Ferrari were competing for worlds fastest car etc. Back when it was Testarossa vs. Countach. In those days, POS was not a conteder in this category. Do you not feel that there are a record number of "Kit Cars" on the market. Do "Kit Cars" not represent going for "LOOKS" only?

So let me get this straight. The cost of building a car is directly proportional to the performance? Interesting. Why then does it cost half the price to build a customized Mustang or RX-7 that can smoke a Plastic mess-06? Should we then deem that they are better cars than the Plastic mess-06? For god sakes, some of you guys are on crack to max. What about... Materials Assembly process (robotic or human?) Labor Volume (rare or common?) Demand Engineering investment Electronic features For all of those people who think 0-60 and 1/4 mile are the only things that matter, go buy a Supra, Skyline, or any other common piece of sh#t, and go hang out at 7-11 on Saturday nights. I'm not talking 1/4 mile. Won't the ZO6 also own at the track?? Yes, I think price is directly proportional to performance when were talking about Exotics, or Supercars. If were talking about luxury cars like a Bently then I think cost is derectly proportional to materials and workmanship and options. Were talking about a Lamborghini. Just the name invokes thoughts of all out performance. It looks like the fastest thing on the planet. It looks like a racecar. I feel that for the price it should be able to out perform a ZO6. And, I agree, performace is not about 1//4 mile times.

If BMWRACER hasn't BANNED you already, here- -James Miller Not trying to make enemies my friend. I thought we were having a discussion?