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  1. UGR Bolt-on TT system

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    Looks fantastic, congrats!! :icon_thumleft:

     

    Only two things I care about in this thread from UGR, the rest of the positive comments about how it drives, its power level, etc is a given:

     

    1. What does the kit cost? And lets have none of UGR's typical bullshit dodging on price as they did on NeraTT's $108,000 build previously. Just man up and give the number to the board. If you're afraid of posting the price then that tells us everything we need to know.

     

    2. Is UGR willing to warranty the engine for any period of time (their standard warranty on their built motors is up to 2yrs/24 months I believe).

     

    The rest I can figure out for myself amid all the hyperbole and kill stories.

     

    And this is NOT some sort of UGR callout, far from it. I'm doing the same thing with the DLM bolt on kit on Fadi's car. If you're confident in what you offer as a tuner, detail it. Price. Warranty. Etc. Let's stop hiding in the shadows.

     

    I assume this is directed at UGR directly and not me (and I've already addressed these issues above to the extent I feel comfortable doing so), but as I said pricing was not a factor to me (not because I didn't care how much it cost but because they were all in the same ballpark). I seriously doubt any of the 3 tuners are going to want to jump in here and post details about pricing and warranties, but as I also said above, I think the direct answer to no. 2 will be "no" from all 3 (although as stated they will do whatever they can to help their customer). And I did talk to all 3 of them, but won't purport to speak for them. Do you really think it's reasonable to expect a tuner to guarantee a stock engine against failure with the power these systems are capable of making, and without any way to prevent the customer from beating the car like a rented mule? If I were a tuner I would handle it exactly the way they say they will.

  2. UGR Bolt-on TT system

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    Ronnie,

     

    I don't think I will make near your power levels just because my tune is overly conservative. Doug made it this way given the fact that I am 1400 miles away. I think after driving it a few days that it may possibly do 8xx rwhp, but who knows, we will see very soon.

     

    Regarding pump gas, you got it. I don't run pump gas....at all, if I am boosting. Not going to risk it. 8 lbs or 10 lbs., it is only race gas for me (us) :icon_thumleft:

     

    Hard to say but I wouldn't sell it short until you dyno it. My tune is supposed to be conservative too, and I doubt I'll ever even use more than the 8 psi setting anyway, but I'm sure there are also some mechanical differences in the two systems that may factor in. And I totally agree about the pump gas--no pump gas for me above 4 psi!

  5. UGR Bolt-on TT system

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    looks great.. what was the price if you dont mind me asking? and warranty?

    looks like bolt on might be a good option for the guy who doesnt want to go crazy...

     

    After having a number of cars modified by different tuners, I've learned it's best to leave pricing questions to them. It's not that it's a big secret, really, as most of them publicize their "list" prices for various things (and even if they don't word gets around), but most of them also sometimes have a little flexibility with those prices (not huge variances but sometimes a little bit). I will say that I got prices from Kevin, Jason, and Doug, and they were all in the same ballpark, so price was not a significant factor in my decision. As for warranty, my understanding was again similar for all 3 tuners. If something they installed failed, they would be responsible, but obviously they can't guarantee that a stock engine is not going to have a failure. What I think they would all do in that situation is make it as easy on their customer as possible, i.e., keep the costs down on the repair as low as possible, not because they have a legal obligation to do so, but because they pride themselves on customer service and want to take care of their customer. But the above is my understanding (and to some extent opinion), so anyone looking to do a build should consult the tuner directly and not rely on me.

  7. UGR Bolt-on TT system

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    Thanks for the comments guys, and here are some more details. The 651 rwhp dyno was with pump gas at 4 psi. The 814 rwhp and 950 rwhp runs were with race gas at 8 and 10 psi, respectively, as shown on the dyno sheet. The slurpee cooler might have been full too--I'd have to check with Kevin as I didn't think to ask (that's for you Allan :) ). The 8 psi setting will likely be my "kill" mode on race gas, as I don't want to push the stock motor too hard, and over 800 rwhp seems like a lot to me, even on race gas. For just driving around, I'll probably leave it at 4 psi. In any event, I think it's safe to say the stock motors in these cars respond dramatically to boost!

     

    I plan to go pick up the car this weekend, and my overall experience with UGR has been superb. By way of background, I had never done any

    business with UGR before this project, although I've had numerous high performance cars, including a couple of FI Vipers (hence my username, which I found easier to leave the same from forum to forum), a Plastic mess-06, several AMG Mercs, etc. I ran Jason Heffner's supercharger system on my GTS for a while years ago, and later when I decided to upgrade to twins, I had Jason do the install. My experience with Jason was great, and I have talked to him several times since I bought the G, so I knew sending my car to him was a good option. I had also talked with Doug Levin a few times about my Vipers, and had bought a few Viper-related parts from Doug, so I knew Doug was a great guy to deal with as well. I had actually talked to UGR about doing the twins on my Viper before going with Jason, but at that point UGR was new to the Viper scene, which is the main reason I went with Jason. Now that several years have gone by, and several people I know have had their cars done by UGR, Heffner and UGR are pretty much Coke and Pepsi in my mind, which made the UGR option much easier. DLM may be more like RC Cola--a great product with a devoted group of followers, but one that flies a little below the radar compared to the other two. :) So I'm not here to throw rocks toward any other tuner, and hopefully I won't be receiving any either (from their customers that is--I KNOW neither Jason nor Doug would do so).

     

    In any event, UGR has been great to deal with, extremely professional, and they have done everything they said they would, when they said they would. They did the build in just over 2 weeks, which was a big reason I went with the bolt-on setup for now, because I didn't want the car down the rest of the summer. I'm not sure how they pulled that off given that the shop is bursting at the seams with Lambos, Vipers, etc., but they delivered. Communication has been constant, and I have to say when I got the pics below of the build, it was really hard to believe that was my car! So now I can't wait to get some seat time and feel that turbo rush firsthand! I'll update things once I get the car back, but bear in mind roll-ons are much harder to set up in the East TN mountains than in some other places, so we will probably have to continue to rely on Fadi the Roll-On King for our video entertainment! Oh and I PM'd Fadi last night and told him I think he needs to adjust his expectations for the dyno Saturday (upward), and he may not want to call 8 psi his "pump gas" setting either--I'm not sure pump gas and double stock hp are a good match! These high compression engines are crazy with a little boost--hopefully we can keep them in one piece!

     

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  10. TT Kit from EVOMS

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    They are doing the final dyno work on my TT G #1 right now that Jason supplied them with the hardware for it. Should be neat to see the performance increase if any, and to have the car back after 6 months. They are quick to answer the phone and if they have to return a call they do it fast as well so far so good on support.

     

    Ben

     

    Why has the car been down so long?

  11. How much are 2004-05 gallardos trading for?

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    i should have reworded my original post.

     

    now that i know cars are selling in the 80-90 range, have these cars hit the bottom yet? or do you think we'll be seeing 50 000$ gallardos within a few years?

     

    does anyone know the depreciation curve over the last few years? has it slowed?

     

    i can't help imagine at 60 000$ there will be quite a few lambos out there, accessible to a great number of enthusiasts.

     

    i mean ferrari 348 (childhood dreamcar) are going for 40-50 000$, you'd be crazy not to save a little more and get a modern day lambo.

     

    it's a great time to be an enthusiast

     

    No offense, but if I (or probably anyone else on this board) could predict the future we would be doing something else with that talent besides answering your questions. There are also several threads full of speculation (and that's all you can do with this topic) about future prices, if you want to use the search function. But your last point is on the right track--if 15-20 year old F-cars are selling for 40-50k, that should tell you something about where the G's (which are much faster and much better built) are likely to bottom out.

  12. How much are 2004-05 gallardos trading for?

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    Was wondering what gallardos are trading at currently? i see 04's for 120 on ebay, seems a little high, where would be the best place to look for one?

     

    thanks

     

    I'm looking for a "first" exotic, and i'm sure the gallardo will not dissapoint. any comments are welcome, if i can find one under 100 000$ i may pull the trigger within 18 months, once this new business starts doing well.

     

    No one is paying 120k for an '04 right now, and there are plenty for 100k or less. But if you're not going to buy for 18 months my advice is forget about it and check back in on the market in a year or so. You'll probably be able to get a nice one for 75k.

  14. Who wants an LP560 front bumper?

    in Automobili Lamborghini

    Posted

    I can only go by my experience in the fitting.

    The bumper is not too far forward, it was too low on the front right, and needed to have small packing pieces inserted between the bumper and the front chassis rail. This lifted the bumper where necessary to close the uneven gap.

    If yours if physically too far forward, all of the gaps would be wrong and the wheelarch join would be uneven.

     

    That makes sense. Assuming my wheel arch joints are even, it sounds like the hood needs to come toward the bumper slightly. Does anyone know how you adjust the hood forward?

  16. Who wants an LP560 front bumper?

    in Automobili Lamborghini

    Posted

    Haven't touched the hood, just took my time fitting the bumper in the first place, then adjusted it after driving to make sure it had settled. Some pictures still make it look slightly out on the right as you look at it, but not all. Still, I can drive it and that's what matters.

     

    What exactly is involved in adjusting the entire bumper back toward the hood? How much of the bumper do you have to disassemble to get to the adjustment points?

  19. Going to drive my GTT!!!!!!

    in Automobili Lamborghini

    Posted

    Allan, I think you're way off on your estimate of cost for the hardware that goes into one of these systems. I doubt any tuner wants to get into exactly how much their systems cost them, but IMO there is no way 5-6k would buy the turbos, manifolds, intercoolers, other plumbing, wastegates, blowoff valves, exhaust system & mufflers, fuel system, ECU (AEM etc.), wiring, etc. There's a lot more to one of these systems than "2 TTs and some plumbing."

  21. Going to drive my GTT!!!!!!

    in Automobili Lamborghini

    Posted

    The dyno can be calibrated for load.. and on the dyno u can spend limitless time at every rpm..speed. etc.. on the street you cannot..I have had several cars tuned both on the street and dyno.. u can use the street to get the car going but dyno for fine tuning..

     

    also not trying to be argumentative.. I congratulate you on your car and hope its all you ever wanted. however.. inmo if I spent 30k on a tt kit and was left to dyno the car on my own id be slightly ticked.No offense to Doug.. but 30k for a bolt on kit is definitely on the HIGH side and id expect it to have all bases covered..

     

    Allan not trying to be argumentative--this date will live in LP lore for generations! Seriously, Allan you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think many people (including tuners) would agree with you. Some dynos can simulate load, but at the end of the day that's all it is--a simulation of what you have driving on the street. You are correct that it's a little unusual for a turbo car to be delivered to a customer without doing a dyno because everyone is conditioned to do it, most tuners do at least some tuning on the dyno, and most customers expect a dyno chart, but I think Fadi is correct that given the choice between the two methods of tuning, most people would rather have a street-tuned car than a dyno tuned one (this is assuming they have enough vacant road to do it--one huge plus of the dyno is you don't have to worry about getting arrested or crashing while you're tuning).

     

    But I'm actually more interested in your comment about price--on what basis do you say 30k for a bolt-on kit is high? I don't think any of the major tuners are doing one for less, so I assume it's not market-based. And as far as what you get, if you get all the hardware (except the built engine) that goes into the 60k built engine version, that doesn't seem so bad to me. I don't see it costing more than another 30k or so to yank the engine and build it. It looks to me like the bolt-on cars may offer over half the performance advantage for half price, with the big variable being reliability, of course. If they start regularly popping pistons or something all bets are off.

  23. Who wants an LP560 front bumper?

    in Automobili Lamborghini

    Posted

    It does look wider than most OEM bumper to hood gaps, but the key is it's even. I wouldn't mind narrowing it some, but I'd rather have it wider and even than narrower and uneven. I can't tell a lot from your pic because of the angle--do you have one more from above (or above and to the side) that shows the bumper/hood seam better?

  24. Who wants an LP560 front bumper?

    in Automobili Lamborghini

    Posted

    saw your car in the shop it looked good with the 560 bumper, I also like the wheels.

     

    Russell

     

    Thanks Russell. After I dropped the car off, I went down the street to the BMW dealer and bought a car, and somehow the subject of Lambos came up and the sales guy started telling me about how they used to do LC's alignment work and the guy who did it crashed a Murci and got fired, and I immediately knew he was talking about your car. Sort of a small world moment. How's the new one? We need to get together sometime.

     

    Ronnie

  25. Who wants an LP560 front bumper?

    in Automobili Lamborghini

    Posted

    Reg GTS how did you git it so well, Mine looks like crap compared to yours.

     

    Well the truth is "I" didn't. I had a dealer install it who has had these bumpers on and off a lot and was obviously very familiar with their adjustment points, etc. And they said it was a real pain and took a lot more time than they expected, but the end result came out great. All of which is consistent with what I've learned from reading this thread (and seen in the pics of other cars)--that is, the bumper can be made to fit close to OEM standards, but it is NOT a simple or easy DIY bolt-on and will probably require a lot of work (and likely knowledge of certain adjustment points, fitment tricks, etc.) to get it to fit well. So I'm glad I got the bumper, and even more glad I didn't try to install it myself. I would strongly advise anyone else considering one to have Hershel's body shop pre-paint it and to have a dealer or very good body shop install it.

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