Leadfoot

It was great talking to you too. Always nice to connect with a fellow enthusiast. I will tell you what they told me at the dealer to push me over the edge to switch from Grigio Estoque to Arancio Argos. They said, " you'll love the Estoque color until an Argos car pulls up next to you--then you'll wish you had the Argos. That probably would not happen if you had an Argos car and the Estoque pulled up next to you...." . So, I took the leap, even though I don't consider myself myself to be a "flashy" person. I just liked the color that much when I saw it. Good luck with your decision! An agonizing process, but fun nonetheless!!!

Anyways I bet that will look sick on the LP-700, congrats Leadfoot! Thanks Swil, appreciate it!

a007api, you are still the MAN! I am just a 007 wannabee.... I'm just glad I was able to add something useful to the thread

Grigio Estoque sample, by the way..

No problem Rob. Couldn't stand to see you torment yourself with Burnt Orange Prowler pictures......

My pleasure. Glad it confirmed your choice!

Here are two pics of Arancio Argos (most dealers should have these paint samples by now). First pic is Arancio Argos alone, second one is previous orange (Atlas?) vs Argos... I liked the color so much in person, I switched my order from Grigio Estoque

Car and Driver got an instrumented 0-60 time of 2.8 secs for the SV. I have not seen a time less than 3.1 secs for the GTO. The best time for the 458 is 3 secs in December's R&T So in the very least, the SV is faster than both Ferrari's 0-60---even though it's an '02 platform.

congrats! nice looking ride. I grew up in Boca. Enjoy it!!

I missed this post somehow, E. Thanks man! As you know, it's now been 4100 miles and 2 track events in 8 months......

I have the first car coming into Atlanta and the ad personam sportivo with alcantara inserts in black was confirmed over 5 weeks ago. I have a printout with all specs from the portal. Maybe have your dealer contact the factory rep one more time? We had to call in December to be guided through the process on how exactly to enter it into the ordering system.

Just received verification of Webster's info from my dealer. Pricing is up in the dealer portal and the base price is $376K. My order has been populated and my Argos car with sportivo ad personam interior and practically every option except stereo upgrade is $406K. I think that is an unbelievable deal and less than a similarly equipped '09 Lp640.

I couldn't agree more!! Absolutely dead on IMHO!!!

Maybe you missed the December 2010 issue of Car and Driver? The 570 and 458 turned in identical instrumented performance results.

That's the emoticon that is generally used to show support/agreement with a certain statement. At least, that is how I have seen it utilized. You made an excellent point.

I know!! Me too!!

Unfortunately the $2500 is not for the carbon fiber engine frame--it's for the carbon fiber cover on top of the engine that sits between the cam covers...

Just trying to keep up with the old idiots.....

Good points on most fronts. I guess we will never agree on the ISR, but that's what makes the world go 'round. If everyone just did "what the two other 'top' sports car marques in history" were doing--then all would surely be lost, for there would never be any innovation. Companies would just perpetuate existing designs and nothing new would ever come to the table. It is also interesting to note that VW Group owns 51 percent of one of those "marques" you mention. I again propose to you that it would have been less expensive for Lambo to re-work the PDK from the Turbo S than design, develop, and test the new ISR unit. It just doesn't seem to make sense that it is "just about the money." That's enough from me!

So that's why VW loses money on every Veyron they sell? It's only about profit and not the trickle down effect a "halo" car can have on a brand? Sorry, I find that hard to believe. And I don't know how you call an all new transmission design with independent actuators for each gear, low relative weight, compact size and completely internalized lubrication "warmed over." So every DSG transmission after the original VW units are also just "warmed over" designs? Additionally, the people on this forum are only a very small fraction of the real Lambo buyers out there. Three people I know with 2 or more Lambos don't even know this forum exists. And one of those is my neighbor with a red/black 2008 Veyron and 32 other cars, including 2 Lambos bought new. Again, I guess it is fruitless to debate the merits of a car that few here have seen and none have driven. Time will tell if Lamborghini is on the right track or not. I for one believe they are.

Well said.

The Veyron's transmission costs more than your CTS just to manufacture, it's not an option for a car at the LP700's price point (yes they sweat part costs even below $100, let alone $50k-100k for just a gearbox). Weight and Packaging were definitely a priority. And yes, when you are only putting that transmission in less than 300 cars over 7 years, it may be $50K-$100K. But in a couple of hundred cars per year, that cost comes down. Plus you would have to amortize some of the development cost of the new transmissions into the existing tranny's price also, which would also reduce the per unit cost. However, the size of the transmission probably would prohibit its use in the LP700 anyway. There are also the Audi DSG transmissions in house, though they would have to be heavily modified the handle the load of the V12. Again, I think they put a lot of thought into the ISR and from what the early feedback from the press sounds like, it appears the engineers were pretty successful in their application of this design. I just get a little tired of hearing what a big "issue" no DSG is in this car. The car looks great to me in person and the overall packaging is impressive. That's why I ordered one. I guess time will tell whether that was the right decision or not.

If VW group had really wanted to have a DSG in the LP700 they would've just saved the development cost of the ISR and dropped the DSG from the Veyron into the car. I, for one, prefer the feel of the shifts of the egear transmission, just like I prefer the BMW SMG III feel to the DCT transmission. If you want a "buttery smooth" shifting car, I would get the Ferrari or Lexus LFA.