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One thing I don't quite understand... Why is a shooting like this national news? Is it just because it happened at a university campus? They don't report that an assault rifle was used, so this isn't really supporting the "ban assault rifles" crowd...

Quick question from a Canadian... One month in jail, one year house arrest, and then "packed your bags for Vegas"? Weren't there any problems with admissibility to the US after an ordeal like this? You don't have to answer if you don't want, but I thought I would ask anyways...I'm genuinely curious.

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Practically impossible as almost all forms of protein have at least some fat and trace amounts of carbs. But, in the end it probably wouldn't be pretty...

But in general, probably a bad idea. Caveats: Machine estimations are notoriously inaccurate...

That's the thing though - it's not really a black and white issue. There are so many other things to consider (current weight, bf percentage, etc) that you can't really just say, "yes" or "no" And I don't want to get into another long thing here and cause more arguments, so I will just leave it at that...

Probably not a good question to ask, because then sh*t really starts to get real and there really is no answer to that question, what "starvation mode" actually entails, or whether it actually exists. You can have a look at... http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/...lowdown-qa.html Starting about halfway down at "But that’s not the only cause of metabolic slowdown here...." Alternatively, there is a 6 part series that starts here... http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/...tin-part-1.html That has some pretty good information about the big picture. But in the end, it's just opening up another can of worms...

I totally agree with this. If I was just saying stuff and not posting supplemental information to back up what I was saying, it would totally apply to this situation. But, i'm not... If I'm not mistaken, I am the only one who has actually posted any links to any information containing medical studies, etc. I never expected anyone to believe what I say in the first place - that why I started posting links that contain medical citations and what not to back up my statements...

Ok. What did I post that was wrong? I'm all ears...

I know he looks better than me - I am 6'. 180lbs and about 14% bodyfat. If you think that makes me any less qualified to pass on information about nutrition written by people who know more than everyone in this thread combined, then that's your problem. I am not saying things as my own opinion - I am just delivering work done by people who know their stuff.

Yes, he knows a lot, but there are some areas where there is a little misinformation based on the studies I have read. I am not arguing all my information is gospel and absolute, but some of it is. Eg. Your body doesn't need carbohydrates to function. You just don't. Whether it is optimal or not is a totally different issue, but science proves that they are not necessary.

I have no doubts that nobody cares about my presence here. I don't want him to go away either - there is lots of valuable information here. But, there is also a lot of incorrect/maybe not 100% correct information. All I am trying to do is provide some other information (with studies and supplemental to back it up) to give people a full picture. I have no doubt that he probably looks better than 99% of the worlds population. But, just because you walk the walk, that doesn't mean you are the authority on the subject at hand. Just because you drive a Lambo, that doesn't mean you are Balboni. I will calm down, but whatever.

So maybe the "you're a joke" was going a little far, and for that I do apologize. I do get passionate about this kind of stuff as i'm sure you do sometimes as well. These threads always come down to things like this. This one is incredibly tame because it is on a car forum, but on most fitness related forums it just turns into hate, name calling, and overall BS. That's just the nature of the beast - there are so many different ways to reach the same goal, so many people are loyal to their ways, so many people have their own personal experiences, so many different things that work, etc... You are right - if it works for you, that's all thats important. In the grand scheme of things, all these little details have almost no effect on the end result and for 99% of the population, it just confuses them and discourages them from moving ahead to reach their fitness goals. At least people can have a look at a few different points of view, read the information provided, make their own decisions and get in better shape because of it. That is the main goal - stimulate peoples minds, get them eating better, and hitting the gym...

Well then, I guess I'm glad we're having this conversation over the Internet...

You are the one who started the mudslinging with the Can of Soup comments - I was trying to be as civil as possible. If you are going to make comments, at least have some science to back them up. Yes, I saw the pictures of your fitness model wife in your profile. Yes, you must be very proud. I would be too. Unfortunately, having a fitness model wife and visiting a nutritionist once a week doesn't really mean you know your stuff. The fact that you need to go see a nutritionist backs that up - have you actually seen what it takes to get accredited as a nutritionist. If you are going to sling it, you gotta take it too, "Bro" You talk, someone says something different, they provide info to back it up, you continue to talk with no real evidence, and then you have nothing else to say so you stop playing and take your ball home. Im not saying I am 100% right or that you are 100% wrong, but if you want to have a civil argument, lets get some evidence up in here...

Yes, this is getting out of hand, but you can never have too much information, right? In the end, all that matters is hitting daily protein numbers and eating at a caloric deficit - none of this other bs really matters...

I know...but I am still not condoning low/zero carb anywhere...

I'm still failing to see where I am condoning a zero carb diet here? I said that carbs were a non essential nutrient... Right from the piece of info I posted a few posts back... "...mention that the body is not able to provide sufficient carbohydrate to fuel high intensity exercise such as sprinting or weight training and carbs might be considered essential for individuals who want to do that type of exercise." I mean, you are really turning out to be a joke, continuing with that can of soup deal. I am providing links to information that has medical citations included, you are speaking out of your rear... Lets look at some of the posts you have made in this thread. Here are a few snippets... Post #39 "Get a guy who does pre-contest for bodybuilders - they are the best in terms of supplementation and correct macronutrient percentages." Hmmm...the guy I have been linking to maybe (Lyle Mcdonald) Based on Post #105, you say your BMI is 26.7, or obese. Based on the context of the comment, it would lead me to believe you do not consider yourself overweight. (Totally cool with that, the BMI stuff is bs) So, based on that information, if you were 6' tall, you would weigh 197 lbs. If you are a giant and you were 6'5'', you would weigh 225lbs. Cool. Post #115 - My daily intake is around 300 grams of protein, half of which is from protein shakes. I'm not sure if you just like protein, but assuming you have your macros planned out, this would lead me to believe you think you actually need 300g of protein per day. (If this is incorrect, sorry) How much lean body mass do you really have? I mean, even if you were a 6'5 giant at 225lbs and 10% bodyfat, which I don't think you are (I may be wrong) then thats really on the upper limit of the 1.5g per lb of lean body mass recommendations. Otherwise, it is just overkill... Is there really any evidence that more protein is better. But wait, it all comes together now... Post #134 "Find your BMR 1. Use total calories and separate into protein/carb/fat % (40% pro, 40% carbs, and 20% fat is a good starting point) 2. divide your total calories so you are eating 6 times a day 3. protein with every meal 4. supplement with protein shakes to hit your daily number from your calculations 5. eat only low glycemic carbs with every meal, but don't eat any carbs with your last meal of the day (only protein and veggies for example) 6. eat only lambda lambda lambda and the omega mu-3 fats (found in fish and oil-based supplements - flax oil, fish oil, etc) - some fat from lean meats is acceptable 7. No sweets, no soda, no cheese, no milk, and no alcohol. Do this and you will not only drop bodyfat, but your insulin levels will never spike and you will be infinitely healthier." 1. Sure 2. 6 times a day, is it necessary? Seems like broscience to me. Hitting your overall daily targets is most important. But you know that. See: http://www.leangains.com/ 3. Sure 4. If you want 5. Sounds like broscience to me. Only low glycemic carbs? What happens when high glycemic carbs are combined with the protein you are eating with every meal? What happens when it is combined with the fat? Does it slow down digestion and make the GI insignificant? No carbs with the last meal of the day? See: http://www.leangains.com/2011/06/is-late-n...er-for-fat.html Notice how there are references to medical studies included? That doesn't matter though, right. 6. You hatin on saturated fats? See: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition...ats-part-1.html http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition...ats-part-2.html 7. Milk bad? Cheese bad? Why? "but your insulin levels will never spike and you will be infinitely healthier." Wait, why would you never want to spike insulin? Isn't it a good idea to spike insulin postworkout to get the nutrients to the muscles faster so they can recover? Even on a diet, lifting is important to maintain muscle mass, so this still applies - see TKD. Seems to me like you are a broscientist who has been reading too much mens health...

Yes, but eat 500 calories worth of pasta and let me know how full you feel in 4 or 5 hours... Eat 500 calories worth of fat and compare the feeling... Of course, this is if you were just eating pasta without any oil, butter, or sauce, etc which would probably include fat and slow down digestion - but who eats those things plain anyways. Potato also includes fiber to slow down digestion, but much of the same thing applies.

Now that I read back on the way some of my stuff is worded, I do agree with this. It is not my intention to talk down to anyone about anything, and if it came across that way, I do apologize. I will be more careful with the way I word my posts in the future. First off, the can of soup thing makes no sense whatsoever. Regarding your other comments... 1. That is not my book - I have nothing to do with it, etc... 2. I 100% get the healthy lifestyle thing - thats why I posted the links to the fundamentals of fat loss articles. The only reason why I am talking about this stuff, "crash dieting", etc is because this thread is about juice fasting. I know crash dieting is a short term solution - in the link to the book I posted, the author states himself that it isn't really a good diet to do for the average person looking for permanent fat loss. I am making no argument here - all I was getting at was that if you are going to do a liquid style diet, vegetables aren't really the first thing you should be worrying about - it should be protein. Regarding the carbohydrate thing - I would really suggest you do a little more research on your ketoacidosis. I have yet to see a case where someone has experienced ketoacidosis when they weren't a diabetic or had previous health problems (usually something to do with alcoholism) If you can find some information that says otherwise, I would love to read it. And i'm not being sarcastic about that - I like learning about stuff like this. Prolonged state of ketosis and negative health effects - same as above. I would like to see some information that says it is a bad thing. (In normal humans) I have yet to read anything that really makes a clear case in regards to that, but if you can find it, i'm all ears. Here is some info on Ketoacidosis... http://books.google.ca/books?id=JtCZBe-2XV...iet&f=false PG. 34,35,36 with medical references...

Practically impossible, because even things like meat and eggs contain trace amounts of carbs. But, the zero carb reference was just being used for the sake of the argument.

That's not the issue being discussed here. 05LSV stated that he was unaware Carbohydrates were not an essential nutrient - I provided evidence otherwise... I should have prefaced this by saying that if you are a diabetic, than you can't really follow the same guidelines as everyone else. But, if you are a diabetic, you would already know that... In a normally functioning human, it really isn't that big of an issue... Fiber is important, but while it is still classified as a carbohydrate, it is metabolized in a different manner...

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition...o-you-need.html If you don't want to read the whole thing... "Are Carbohydrates Essential? Despite oft-heard claims to the contrary, there is no actual physiological requirement for dietary carbohydrate. Even the RDA handbook acknowledges this, right before recommending that a prudent diet should contain a lot of carbohydrates. To understand why carbs aren’t essential, I need to discuss the concept of an essential nutrient briefly. And, in brief, an essential nutrient is defined as: - Any nutrient that is required for survival. - Can’t be made by the body. Quoting from my own Rapid Fat Loss Handbook: The second criterion is the reason that dietary carbohydrate is not an essential nutrient: the body is able to make as much glucose as the brain and the few other tissues need on a day-to-day basis from other sources. I should mention that the body is not able to provide sufficient carbohydrate to fuel high intensity exercise such as sprinting or weight training and carbs might be considered essential for individuals who want to do that type of exercise. I’ll come back to exercise later in this article. But from the standpoint of survival, the minimum amount of carbohydrates that are required in a diet is zero grams per day. The body can make what little it needs from other sources. What, you ask, are those other sources? Read on.?"

Downside? The protein should come first - tuna/fish, chicken, cottage cheese, turkey, egg whites (yolks are probably a good idea too), whey, soy (if you dig that kind of thing). Skipping your daily protein requirements is just one of the worst ideas in the world. Especially when you are eating in a caloric deficit - it becomes sooo much more important when you aren't eating calories to maintain your current weight. And this isn't even considering satiety - protein and fat makes you feel full - carbs don't...

Here is a really short form version... Find out how many calories your body needs and eat less - it's the law of thermodynamics. Protein first, then fat, then carbs. Protein - essential Fat - essential Carbs - not essential Juice fasting = primarily carbs. Best way to lose weight is to not give your body what it needs (protein, fat) and give it what it doesn't need (carbs)? Does not compute... Benefits to fasting? Maybe, studies are showing that there may be benefits to periods of fasting. But, a juice fast isn't really as fast - you are taking in carbs. So, not only are you depriving your body of what you actually need and giving it what it doesn't need, you are in essence loosing the potetial benefits of fasting by drinking the juice anyways. Double fail... Will you lose weight? Sure. But, it will be both fat and muscle. The goal is to lose a higher proportion of fat than muscle. Muscle - sexy, fat - not sexy. I could go on and on, but I ramble and end up sounding stupid. If that is still too much to read.... Screw the juice - if you want to do something similar, lose weight at a really fast rate, and actually maintain muscle and a bit of your sanity, replace them with protein shakes. Why drink fruit and vegetable crap when you can drink protein that tastes like Chocolate peanut butter, cake batter, chocolate mint, chocolate malt, etc. It goes on and on... http://www.amazon.com/Optimum-Nutrition-St...5109&sr=8-1 Winning. Simple calcs - say you weigh 200 pounds, maybe have 150lbs of lean body mass. Get at least 1g of protein per pound = 150g of protein = 6 scoops of whey powder per day. About 720-750 cals. It's probably cheaper than buying veggies and fruit too...