The Benz Driver who killed the guy in Scottsdale

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First off, I dont know you and am baffled to why you would think I directed my comments to you. Secondly, "presumably trying to avoid" is not a legal defense. Snorting heroin is bad whether your doing it in Time Square or Pluto.

 

It ain't that serious! I was just asking as I was one of two parties posting at the time and the only one condeming the drivers actions.

 

We are not talking about legal defense are we? Assuming that people will want to race I personally would be alot happier with say a certain persons alledged 219 mph race that happened at what appeared to be a very lonely highway type road in the dead of night with little to no traffic on the roads. Than a 70mph race in a built up residential type area with other drivers around.

 

That statement isn't fact it is just my opinion.

 

Sorry, but I saw the entire accident seconds after it happened. The Camaro was ripped to SHREDS. When the accident happened I was less than a block away, I would of heard an explosion. I didnt hear any explosion, and all that was on fire was the road, and the MERCEDES with your BUDDY the nonspeeder stumbling around it. There were no flames whatsoever around any part of the Camaro. The camaro was disintegrated, pieces everywhere, no roof, no nothing, you couldnt even tell what it was, AT ALL. Two cars driving next to one another at EXACTLY the same speed which as of now is an indicated 20-30mph above the speed limit?

 

The fact remains, if the guy turned DIRECTLY in front of them, they would have had to of been traveling at a very high rate of speed to cause such carnage. 2nd, if the car didnt turn directly in fron tof them, they had to have been traveling at a VERY high rate of speed not have been able to scrub off enough speed not have caused the same carnage.

 

As for his not racing...HOW ABOUT THIS...... If it comes down to his character, we have a living WITNESS here, who can testify that your Angelic non racing friend, tried to engage him in an illegal street race at speeds over 100mph on a residential road. No matter what you say, And this I can gaurentee, that this persons testimony would give them immunity from any sort of charges which you may think could be brought upon this person, even though no such charges could ever be brought upon him. But his testimony, would weigh HEAVILY, along with Roberts WINK WINK reply in regards to the street race, and his own admittance in print to racing at speeds of over 150mph on public roads. You forget, everyone here could be an admitted street racer, non of us has ever killed anyone.

 

You must really be starving for friendship, to defend someone you hardly know and met over the internet as vehemently as you do. Maybe you are scared a search of the computer will link the two of you to kiddie porn. But if I were you, Id go plan your moms funeral, as in words, you killed her.

 

 

It ain't that serious! I was just asking as I was one of two parties posting at the time and the only one condeming the drivers actions.

 

We are not talking about legal defense are we? Assuming that people will want to race I personally would be alot happier with say a certain persons alledged 219 mph race that happened at what appeared to be a very lonely highway type road in the dead of night with little to no traffic on the roads. Than a 70mph race in a built up residential type area with other drivers around.

 

That statement isn't fact it is just my opinion.

 

 

I respect your opinion. I'm just saying that even doing a top speed run on what one percieved to be an abandoned highway wont hold up in court. No "partial law breaking". I think we all can agree that street racing increases the chances of injury or death.

And even those who dont street race, i'm sure I can find a post on here of you promoting street racing.

 

Go for it. My SN is Romandad and I have over 9000 posts.... Find it.

 

First off, I dont know you and am baffled to why you would think I directed my comments to you. Secondly, "presumably trying to avoid" is not a legal defense. Snorting heroin is bad whether your doing it in Time Square or Pluto.

 

 

Terrible analogy. If I snort heroin, I only harm myself... If I street race on a crowded street at rush hour I endanger EVERYBODY ON THE ROAD.

And even those who dont street race, i'm sure I can find a post on here of you promoting street racing.

 

I only race in Romania.

I respect your opinion. I'm just saying that even doing a top speed run on what one percieved to be an abandoned highway wont hold up in court. No "partial law breaking". I think we all can agree that street racing increases the chances of injury or death.

 

"The law is blind, not stupid. "

 

Thats where Judges come in (we havent mentioned them yet in our tour of the modern criminal justice system). THEY hand out SENTENCES after weighing aggravating and mitigating factors. The guy who drives fast at 2 am on a deserted highway with no intersections and who only endangers himself, is going to get a MUCH less harsh sentence than the guy who races down sunset blvd at 5:30 PM with school kids and old women jumping out of the way of the car, even though the two may be guilty of the exact same crimes...

 

One caveat- Kill somebody under either scenario, and all bets are off...

If you race at 2am then at least you are presumably trying to avoid traffic and risking your own life and the driver you are racing. In this instance a "innocent" third party was killed by what seems to have been two adult drivers racing.

 

IMO that is extremely irresponsible if you do not think so then you are entitled to YOU opinion. But for me the two examples stated are worlds apart.

 

As for the finding a post where I condone street racing, not sure if that was aimed at me. Be my guest, doubt you will find any.......

 

 

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Hi Guys

 

I know there isn't that many of us on here.....yet. But think there is probably just enough to do a bit of a run.

 

I am in the West Midlands. I don't mind travelling abit especially if we are going to make a morning/afternoon of it.

 

Plus I was thinking if any of you are up for it we could do a few races of our own and video them and upload them??

 

Let me know what you guys then and some suggestions of dates and locations?!

 

 

 

 

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Just after some info from "good" drivers....

 

I'm no racing driver but I keep reading how the E-gear is much easier to drive especially fast.

 

I'm a little confused, I've driven an E gear myself and I don't see it.

 

Obviously I know it is possible to miss going from 2nd to 3rd but with practise not that hard.....

 

Granted I haven't taken my G to the limit yet but I'm planning on doing so shortly against a Flappy paddle EVO VII (modded to the hilt) and wondered if I was missing something with the E-gear. Plus I do NOT want to lose!!!!

 

To drive a manual as fast as an E-gear what do I need to do? I know my friend drives his manual (not a G) and keeps his accelerator foot pinned the floor and changes gear without coming off.....

 

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What are you talking about ??? What happened with him and this mustang has nothing to do with me or who he has tried to engage in street racing in the past and it never will. If I did ever get dragged into this it would only hurt him not me. If you think investigators are reading this then great. I'll be waiting for them to contact me and tell them my one experience I had with him.

 

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He never raced AJ but if you wanna drag your friend into this mess go for it.

 

While proving your point you have now successfully implicated your own friend and I was under the impression they NEVER RACED!!!!! Now you claim they did, Bravo,

 

Read on investigators

 

SO you edited your post but I caught it before you erased it. Here my thoughts on your post.

 

What are you talking about ??? What happened with him and this mustang has nothing to do with me or who he has tried to engage in street racing in the past and it never will. If I did ever get dragged into this it would only hurt him not me. If you think investigators are reading this then great. I'll be waiting for them to contact me and tell them my one experience I had with him.

 

If I were you, I would leave this alone before you make it worse for him than it already is.

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The first thread you posted I actually went on that run.

 

We were on the motorway on a Sat morning at 7am.....we did a few short burst but mainly stayed within the speed limit.

 

Hardly speeding down a residential road is it?

 

All the cars in the pic were on the run with us including the smart car which was the photographer! This picture is taken from my car.

 

Second post was meant to be a race but did not happen again not on a residental road.

 

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Hi Guys

 

I know there isn't that many of us on here.....yet. But think there is probably just enough to do a bit of a run.

 

I am in the West Midlands. I don't mind travelling abit especially if we are going to make a morning/afternoon of it.

 

Plus I was thinking if any of you are up for it we could do a few races of our own and video them and upload them??

 

Let me know what you guys then and some suggestions of dates and locations?!

 

 

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Just after some info from "good" drivers....

 

I'm no racing driver but I keep reading how the E-gear is much easier to drive especially fast.

 

I'm a little confused, I've driven an E gear myself and I don't see it.

 

Obviously I know it is possible to miss going from 2nd to 3rd but with practise not that hard.....

 

Granted I haven't taken my G to the limit yet but I'm planning on doing so shortly against a Flappy paddle EVO VII (modded to the hilt) and wondered if I was missing something with the E-gear. Plus I do NOT want to lose!!!!

 

To drive a manual as fast as an E-gear what do I need to do? I know my friend drives his manual (not a G) and keeps his accelerator foot pinned the floor and changes gear without coming off.....

 

 

Wow... Youve just engaged in what psychologists call "projection".... You filled in blanks that arent there.

 

Post number 1. He asks about organizing a "run". Nowehere does he mention SPEEDING, RACING or driving FAST. Lambo-power "runs" as we have ALWAYS CALLED THEM AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER, are ALWAYS organized with the legal caveat that SPEEDING/ RECKLESS DRIVING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. They are gatherings of owners to go on a drive and eat lunch or such....

 

Post Number 2. He says hes looking forward to driving his car "to the limit"... NOWHERE DOES HE SAY HE PLANS TO DO THAT ON THE STREET, IN AN ILLEGAL STREET RACE.... Many of us have driven fast LEGALLY... On Tracks, Drag strips, ETC....

 

So youve proven nothing but that you CANT READ without filling in your own preconceptions.

Dude the guy is an idiot. I say that that he tried to engage Ajglobal in a street race, the guy goes off and some how thinks that this would matter in any way shape or form, other than to further incriminate the person he is trying to defend.

SO you edited your post but I caught it before you erased it. Here my thoughts on your post.

 

What are you talking about ??? What happened with him and this mustang has nothing to do with me or who he has tried to engage in street racing in the past and it never will. If I did ever get dragged into this it would only hurt him not me. If you think investigators are reading this then great. I'll be waiting for them to contact me and tell them my one experience I had with him.

 

If I were you, I would leave this alone before you make it worse for him than it already is.

 

why did you qoute me? I dropped it , over done no mas I give up. You guys believe what you want the truth will ring louder than any post I can ever make.

 

Robert never raced Tony they met they talked but they did not race, make it more than this its on you

Dude the guy is an idiot. I say that that he tried to engage Ajglobal in a street race, the guy goes off and some how thinks that this would matter in any way shape or form, other than to further incriminate the person he is trying to defend.

 

Robert specifically showed up to Race Tony at Speedworld, his tire had a nail in it, so he was sent home........Using his supposed engagement with Tony is assinine. There is a long established history of him wanting to run and me wanting to run a G, you already know all this. You have no other examples but this and once again all your examples point to members here.

 

Do you really want to make this some huge legal war? Seriously drop it man , stop bringing up races that never transpired

 

SO you edited your post but I caught it before you erased it. Here my thoughts on your post.

 

What are you talking about ??? What happened with him and this mustang has nothing to do with me or who he has tried to engage in street racing in the past and it never will. If I did ever get dragged into this it would only hurt him not me. If you think investigators are reading this then great. I'll be waiting for them to contact me and tell them my one experience I had with him.

 

If I were you, I would leave this alone before you make it worse for him than it already is.

why did you qoute me? I dropped it , over done no mas I give up. You guys believe what you want the truth will ring louder than any post I can ever make.

 

Robert never raced Tony they met they talked but they did not race, make it more than this its on you

Robert aka Bluemax never raced Tony now according to you:

 

Yes in this thread:

http://www.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=223654

 

You imply that he did, and in post #3, I would say that Robert aka Bluemax, the Scottsdale Rd Killer, inmo, clearly implies that atleast in his mind he did.

 

I love it Juicee63, you keep talking shit, and we will continue to bury your friend.

 

How about this, I wonder if Bluemax had ever removed that nail from his tire? Maybe his knowing negligence caused him to lose control due to faulty equipment while street racing, thereby killing an innocent person.

 

Robert specifically showed up to Race Tony at Speedworld, his tire had a nail in it, so he was sent home........Using his supposed engagement with Tony is assinine. There is a long established history of him wanting to run and me wanting to run a G, you already know all this. You have no other examples but this and once again all your examples point to members here.

 

Do you really want to make this some huge legal war? Seriously drop it man , stop bringing up races that never transpired

 

It is soo funny for you to continue to bring up any supposed races between ourselves and him. I for one, have never raced Bluemax, nor do I think I ever met him. Im also not the one home on bond, awaiting 2nd degree murder charges for killing someone for racing down one of the busiest streets in AZ. Neither is Tony, nor anyone else on this board.

 

I also like the mentality of some of your other board members such as this one:

 

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Blue, go to bed. I see nothing here worth staying up for.

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Ya buddy, drink a beer, go to bed, it aint no big thing.... nothing worth staying up for. I wonder if the dead guys wife and family is sleeping comfortably tonight?

Wow... Youve just engaged in what psychologists call "projection".... You filled in blanks that arent there.

 

Post number 1. He asks about organizing a "run". Nowehere does he mention SPEEDING, RACING or driving FAST. Lambo-power "runs" as we have ALWAYS CALLED THEM AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER, are ALWAYS organized with the legal caveat that SPEEDING/ RECKLESS DRIVING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. They are gatherings of owners to go on a drive and eat lunch or such....

 

Post Number 2. He says hes looking forward to driving his car "to the limit"... NOWHERE DOES HE SAY HE PLANS TO DO THAT ON THE STREET, IN AN ILLEGAL STREET RACE.... Many of us have driven fast LEGALLY... On Tracks, Drag strips, ETC....

 

So youve proven nothing but that you CANT READ without filling in your own preconceptions.

 

 

I did not fill in anything..Nor am I projecting.

 

In the first post he speaks of doing some races and producing vids of em. There is absolutely no mention of a legal TRACK just a gathering...

In the next thread

 

He speaks of RACING a MODDED EVO and he doesn't wan't to lose.

 

Spin it how you wish. His words his posts.

I also like the mentality of some of your other board members such as this one:

 

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Blue, go to bed. I see nothing here worth staying up for.

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Ya buddy, drink a beer, go to bed, it aint no big thing.... nothing worth staying up for. I wonder if the dead guys wife and family is sleeping comfortably tonight?

 

no way did he say that?

 

It is soo funny for you to continue to bring up any supposed races between ourselves and him. I for one, have never raced Bluemax, nor do I think I ever met him. Im also not the one home on bond, awaiting 2nd degree murder charges for killing someone for racing down one of the busiest streets in AZ. Neither is Tony, nor anyone else on this board.

 

DOOOOH,

 

lets keep it that way

 

I did not fill in anything..Nor am I projecting.

 

In the first post he speaks of doing some races and producing vids of em. There is absolutely no mention of a legal TRACK just a gathering...

In the next thread

 

He speaks of RACING a MODDED EVO and he doesn't wan't to lose.

 

Spin it how you wish. His words his posts.

 

I want to go out and do 215mph in my SLR and race the space shuttle. I just came back from actually doing 234mph and I beat the Space Shuttle!!! OMG IT WAS fcuking AWESOME!!!! You should of seen it! But you didnt. Therefore it didnt happen. no dead guy left behind to document it.

 

 

 

no way did he say that?

 

Of course he didnt say that, its a figment of my imagination.

 

LOL

 

The first thread you posted I actually went on that run.

 

We were on the motorway on a Sat morning at 7am.....we did a few short burst but mainly stayed within the speed limit.

 

Hardly speeding down a residential road is it?

 

All the cars in the pic were on the run with us including the smart car which was the photographer! This picture is taken from my car.

 

Second post was meant to be a race but did not happen again not on a residental road.

 

Happy?

 

looks fun and safe,

 

good times

 

Did you ever RACE the modded EVO?

 

Opps sorry I see you never got the chance.

 

My apologies to you my meds wore off.

 

 

looks fun and safe,

 

good times

 

Did you ever RACE the modded EVO?

 

The funniest thing is you are argueing with Miyagi, who doesnt even live in the U.S. Lets say he likes do to 200mph on his way to work and race every person in site whether they be in a car or bicycle, what would that have to do with your kiddie porn friend who killed someone in the U.S. ?