Cat's Exotics

Congrats ToFi ! Beautiful car! Post a pic or link...

Congrats ToFi ! Beautiful car! Post a pic or link...

 

we need photos please!

 

> VW came out with not one list but TWO lists.

> 1) First was for direct repossession of the car to be returned to VW credit.

> 2) The second list was a list from VW/Lamborghini of "Provided no warranty to"

 

And then there is the list of VINs at the end of the

plea bargain between Viken Keuylian and the U.S.A.

which can be found here:

 

http://ocbiz.freedomblogging.com/files/200...a-agreement.pdf

 

It contains three Superleggeras:

 

#5836 = orange -- sold in CA a year ago -- TX, 5,004 miles, $147k -- http://starcitymotors.com/2009/08/2008-lam...o-superleggera/

#6141 = black -- was DuPont #459837 -- TX, 3,282 miles, $140k -- http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/search...x?itemid=459837 (dead link)

#6718 = yellow -- was gumiyo #5083690 -- CA, 53 miles, $120k -- http://o2.gumiyo.com/post.page?action=read...;postId=5083690

 

Ah, the power of the web.

 

we need photos please!

 

 

Well the car should be arriving next Sunday, and believe me nobody wants it here more than I do! However for now, I can post a link to the site where the car was advertised, that will have to do until I can get my own photos.

 

Edit: I do not know how to enter URLs in this forum, or perhaps its against forum rules. So instead, I will just wait until the car arrives. Those of you who are resourceful it shouldn't be hard to find. Roy sold a 2007 Red Gallardo Spyder to me, so it's a pretty good guess the one that says "Sold" on his website would be it, lol.

Well the car should be arriving next Sunday, and believe me nobody wants it here more than I do! However for now, I can post a link to the site where the car was advertised, that will have to do until I can get my own photos.

 

Edit: I do not know how to enter URLs in this forum, or perhaps its against forum rules. So instead, I will just wait until the car arrives. Those of you who are resourceful it shouldn't be hard to find. Roy sold a 2007 Red Gallardo Spyder to me, so it's a pretty good guess the one that says "Sold" on his website would be it, lol.

 

cool I will look it up, I am a fan of red Lambos

he arranged the sale of GTT #1 when all other lamborghini dealers wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole!

For those of you who just want the condensed version, I want to say that I experienced excellent service from Roy, and that he was as disappointed as I was that this deal did not go through the way we wanted, but that I would definitely do business with him again, and would recommend him to anyone looking for an exotic car.

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Now the details.

 

The car was a Rosso Andromeda Gallardo Spyder that caught my eye. It was priced remarkably well, and I had always wanted to upgrade to a Spyder so it seemed to fit the bill very nicely.

 

Roy was pleasant and communicative throughout the buying process. He joked about his own Lamborghini collection, and it was clear to me throughout the deal making that Roy was not just another salesman pushing a product. Here was someone who knew Lamborghinis and loved the car as much as I do (maybe more).

 

This was a first time experience for me in a few ways. First time dealing with Roy, but also first time buying a car sight unseen over the Internet. On reflection, in my future dealings, I would probably decide to spend the time and effort to actually go see the car in person. I have always claimed that I do due diligence throughout the buying process but in this case, I concede that I had failed in this duty.

 

I want to emphasize right here and now, that the car that Roy sold to me was a great car, just not the right one for me. Having failed to do my due diligence before purchase, I was determined to do it after. I took the car to two people whom I know have better eyes than I do. The first was the general manager at a local body shop who has worked on my old Ferrari and my current Lamborghini. He has a lot of experience in dealing with cars not just from his body shop experience. He is a complete gear head - just the sort of person you want looking a car you might end up owning. He builds choppers from the ground up and restores antique cars in his spare time. He also knows me very well so he understands exactly what I look for in a car. He took his best painter and the two of them walked around the car and did a very detailed examination. I spent almost 2 hrs with him, and to cut a long story short, he said the car was beautiful but he knew it would not be the car for me. I won't go into details here, but in this case it is like a hand not fitting a glove. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the glove, but that it needed to go on another hand.

 

I then brought the car to a local appraiser. My town is sufficiently small that unfortunately I could not obtain a Lamborghini specialist, however, this guy has great experience in appraising other highline vehicles. We did all the relevant checks and told me, "I can tell you this - you are definitely getting a good deal on this buy, if you decide to keep it. The car needs a good detail, otherwise I'd give it a 8-9 out of 10. And even a new car is not a 10. For the price I don't think you could do any better."

 

With this information, I decided to spend some time thinking about my purchase. In the end, I had to agree with what Roy told me from the beginning. "You got to love the car." I realized I liked many things about it but it was not the car for me, and that if I wasn't happy with it now, I wasn't ever going to be.

 

I do not know a dealer in the world who is not happy when he makes a sale to a satisfied customer. The true test of a dealer is when things do not go as planned. How that person treats his customers when he no longer stands to gain is far more telling than how he treats someone when he is obviously coming out ahead. Roy was friendly and professional throughout the 2 weeks that I had dealt with him right up to the very end. And he stood by his word. The only time I detected disappointment in his attitude was when he realized that I was not in love with the car. I felt that he really wanted me to love the car. When I told him that this deal was not to be, he kept his word and took the car back, and promised that he would find the right car for me someday. I certainly hope so.

 

Roy, thank you for making this experience a pleasant one despite not everything working out as planned. You have my gratitude and I will be more than happy to provide recommendations in the future. Also, thank Kevin for the smooth handling of all the paperwork and transactions for me, please.

 

One thing that I got out of this experience though - I had my first chance to drive a stick-shift Lamborghini, and I have to say I loved it. I finally understand why some people sing such high praises of the gated shifter!

 

Now the only thing left for me to ponder is how I am going to explain what happened to the guys I promised at Cars and Coffee with the red convertible I was bragging about all last two weeks!

First, props for coming here and being honest and admitting the issue was with you. And for writing this story at all. You can hear a thousand success stories (and assume there is no buyer's remorse hidden behind the words). You can hear gripe stories (and assume there are two sides to every story). But rarely do you hear the customer tell your tale... it means so much more because there is nothing to read between the lines. You were treated as well as any customer could possibly hope to be treated.

 

Second, I wish you could be more specific about what the issue was?

 

And finally, props to Roy. He is a stand up guy. By the sounds of this one, I say he went above and beyond for you.

 

I am mid-transaction with him now and it has been fantastic. I was a bit intimidated about buying a Lambo. Well, not at first, but I was humbled quickly by the attitudes of the first few dealers I spoke with before I found Roy.

 

Good luck in finding your perfect car! If anyone can find it, Roy can. Will you be sticking with Lambo?

good to hear, and confirms the recent attitude toward Roy.

 

 

Am curious why do you keep dancing around the issue with the car....what was the problem?

 

Sounds like it had repaired accident damage from your trips to appraisers and body shops.

Am curious why do you keep dancing around the issue with the car....what was the problem?

 

Good to hear about Roy, but don't understand what the issue was with the car.

 

Good to hear about Roy, but don't understand what the issue was with the car.

 

 

To answer the question of repair damage, no there was no accident repair damage on the car although the front bumper had been repainted. This was by request to fix the usual rock chips and road rash that driving 10,000 miles over Chicago roads might be expected to do.

 

My purpose of posting here was to account for a recent buying experience rather than to go into specifics about what I did or did not like about a specific car, and why I told Roy that the search for a replacement for my current Gallardo goes on. However if anyone is really that interested to know what I am looking for, then do feel free to PM me.

Roy must have nerves of steel I would never have the patience for a retail customer no offence ToFi.

 

Good luck with your search.

 

Thank you for the nice words..I do my best to serve and make sure each and every customer is 111% happy.

 

With this car, as with every car....it passes all PPI, was as described and a great car. What YOU CAN not know till the car arrives, is if you LOVE the car or not. The car in REAL LIFE is always a bit different then pictures, taking about, PPI records, service records etc etc etc..

 

Once the car lands it HAS TO BE LOVE at first site..or you will NEVER EVER be truly happy with it. That was the case here..it just was NOT a 100% "LOVE-CONNECTION" LOL LOL (thats funny)...anyways..these things happen.

 

It is extremely hard to by a $100,000.00 plus car over the internet...that is why I HAVE to back it up 150% and do whatever it takes to make it right...even if it means taking the car back..the car will sell..to another person that does fall in love with it..I will have the Red Spyder at Concourso this week..and probably put a few hundred miles on it myself enjoying it in the Claifornia sunshine with the top down.

 

I will not stop till I find the OP the "Perfect" car he is seeking...I will find it for him.

 

And if anyone is intrested in the Spyder, get a hold of me...feel free to talk to the OP as well.

 

Roy C A T S

Thank you for the nice words..I do my best to serve and make sure each and every customer is 111% happy.

 

With this car, as with every car....it passes all PPI, was as described and a great car. What YOU CAN not know till the car arrives, is if you LOVE the car or not. The car in REAL LIFE is always a bit different then pictures, taking about, PPI records, service records etc etc etc..

 

Once the car lands it HAS TO BE LOVE at first site..or you will NEVER EVER be truly happy with it. That was the case here..it just was NOT a 100% "LOVE-CONNECTION" LOL LOL (thats funny)...anyways..these things happen.

 

It is extremely hard to by a $100,000.00 plus car over the internet...that is why I HAVE to back it up 150% and do whatever it takes to make it right...even if it means taking the car back..the car will sell..to another person that does fall in love with it..I will have the Red Spyder at Concourso this week..and probably put a few hundred miles on it myself enjoying it in the Claifornia sunshine with the top down.

 

I will not stop till I find the OP the "Perfect" car he is seeking...I will find it for him.

 

And if anyone is intrested in the Spyder, get a hold of me...feel free to talk to the OP as well.

 

Roy C A T S

 

 

Roy is the Lambo love doctor!!

 

Tofi you sounded so excited when you called and said he found that car for you, most dealers do what it takes to sell you a car and once its in your hands your on your own. Most of these cars are bought and sold online and consumers are definately scared to drop a couple hundered thousand dollars with the thought that they may be stuck with something that isnt what they were promised, believe me I see it all the time! So maybe Roy didnt get this deal but the people who read this and see that he took care of you like that will bring him plenty more business!

 

So whats next! Love doctor find this man another 6spd to fall in love with!

 

 

Try and help you understand a bit here...

 

First the car was as described, no accidents, no paint work, no hidden defffecinys and a PPI was in order as the car was all good and well. HOWEVER, a picture of the car, service records, PPI etc etc do NOT add up to a

"Hands on" once it arrives "see it in person" fall in love with it. As I told the OP, if you are NOT IN LOVE with the car..dont try to get there...you will never be happy.

 

As a seller of cars $100K plus over the internet, I HAVE to be THREE times as accomedating and make sure my customers are happy..PERIOD end of story. Sure I could have said, "tough" passed PPI, you saw it, it is as described and you had two "independant" people tell you it was a good buy for the money..so keep it done deal..

 

But what would I gain...NOT a FRIKN thing!!~

 

A not happy customer, a never return customer, a never recomend me customer..

 

Like I always say..

 

"I can ALWAYS make money, BUT I have ONLY one chance to earn your trust"

 

I will sell the car, maybe tomorrow, maybe next month, but it is a great car and it will sell. For now it is shipping to Monterey/Pebble Beach where I will enjoy it myself this week with the top down in the California sunshine.

 

I also will find the OP the right car, sooner or later and I will always have him as a great customer.

 

As for the question of shipping..like my Guarantee states..

 

"Full refund.....you pay shipping back"

 

So yes I am out of pocket for shipping one way, yes the sale of the car is delayed, yes it costs me a little more money in intrest holding the car...

 

BUT, I feel good and I have a new friend and customer for life!!

 

Try and help you understand a bit here...

 

First the car was as described, no accidents, no paint work, no hidden defffecinys and a PPI was in order as the car was all good and well. HOWEVER, a picture of the car, service records, PPI etc etc do NOT add up to a

"Hands on" once it arrives "see it in person" fall in love with it. As I told the OP, if you are NOT IN LOVE with the car..dont try to get there...you will never be happy.

 

As a seller of cars $100K plus over the internet, I HAVE to be THREE times as accomedating and make sure my customers are happy..PERIOD end of story. Sure I could have said, "tough" passed PPI, you saw it, it is as described and you had two "independant" people tell you it was a good buy for the money..so keep it done deal..

 

But what would I gain...NOT a FRIKN thing!!~

 

A not happy customer, a never return customer, a never recomend me customer..

 

Like I always say..

 

"I can ALWAYS make money, BUT I have ONLY one chance to earn your trust"

 

I will sell the car, maybe tomorrow, maybe next month, but it is a great car and it will sell. For now it is shipping to Monterey/Pebble Beach where I will enjoy it myself this week with the top down in the California sunshine.

 

I also will find the OP the right car, sooner or later and I will always have him as a great customer.

 

As for the question of shipping..like my Guarantee states..

 

"Full refund.....you pay shipping back"

 

So yes I am out of pocket for shipping one way, yes the sale of the car is delayed, yes it costs me a little more money in intrest holding the car...

 

BUT, I feel good and I have a new friend and customer for life!!

 

 

Bravo, Roy. Good on you!

Good to know that if I ever buy a car from Roy and for whatever reason I don't want it anymore I can pull the "Love Card" on him.

 

 

Good to know that if I ever buy a car from Roy and for whatever reason I don't want it anymore I can pull the "Love Card" on him.

 

Yeah...I wish Roy sold wives.

Yeah...I wish Roy sold wives.

 

LOL!

Am I missing something or did you basically not like the color?

Am I missing something or did you basically not like the color?

 

I realize all these attempts to make me "spill the beans" on why I did not accept the car, however, I made a promise and I am keeping it. The only thing that I will do, if asked privately, is I will go through a detailed description of the car from a third party objective point of view. If you are actually interested in the car and not just wasting time, then feel free to PM me and I will be glad to speak to you in PM or on the phone. Otherwise, take this post as its meant to be - a review of Roy Cats and his company, and not a review of the car itself.

Am I missing something or did you basically not like the color?

 

everything was perfect but there was one ingredient missing, LOVE, that's all.

Try and help you understand a bit here...

 

First the car was as described, no accidents, no paint work, no hidden defffecinys and a PPI was in order as the car was all good and well. HOWEVER, a picture of the car, service records, PPI etc etc do NOT add up to a

"Hands on" once it arrives "see it in person" fall in love with it. As I told the OP, if you are NOT IN LOVE with the car..dont try to get there...you will never be happy.

 

As a seller of cars $100K plus over the internet, I HAVE to be THREE times as accomedating and make sure my customers are happy..PERIOD end of story. Sure I could have said, "tough" passed PPI, you saw it, it is as described and you had two "independant" people tell you it was a good buy for the money..so keep it done deal..

 

But what would I gain...NOT a FRIKN thing!!~

 

A not happy customer, a never return customer, a never recomend me customer..

 

Like I always say..

 

"I can ALWAYS make money, BUT I have ONLY one chance to earn your trust"

 

I will sell the car, maybe tomorrow, maybe next month, but it is a great car and it will sell. For now it is shipping to Monterey/Pebble Beach where I will enjoy it myself this week with the top down in the California sunshine.

 

I also will find the OP the right car, sooner or later and I will always have him as a great customer.

 

As for the question of shipping..like my Guarantee states..

 

"Full refund.....you pay shipping back"

 

So yes I am out of pocket for shipping one way, yes the sale of the car is delayed, yes it costs me a little more money in intrest holding the car...

 

BUT, I feel good and I have a new friend and customer for life!!

 

Roy, I had emailed you in the March timeframe to talk about Gallardos (back when you had 2 yellow 04 Gs for sale, 1 EGEAR, 1 6SP) and I could tell from there you were passionate and just loved Lambos. Now that summer is coming to an end, I am hoping my search for the right car will end with me driving a G I love. I will be reaching out to you again shortly so see what we can do. I hope between you and privately searching, it will net in something sooner than later.

 

Best,

Jack