What would the LEAST desired Countach be?

I may experiment with doing my under spoiler black..

 

Your uprights are black already right?

With so many ann ct always for sale, it would be foolish to think that prices would start to skyrocket before any of the other variants of ct out there... especially since its styling is polarizing to many... It is simply a case of supply/demand where there are always ann for sale and the demand simple is not there... perhaps it would be for the amateur collector that has no clue of the order of CT in terms of popularity... Im always amazed and just laugh when I see sellers who post ridiculous for sale prices for ann when clearly it will be a long time coming before they get that asking price... or if they get some car collector who has no clue and just simply to want any ct in their collection... I just read somewhere an ann ct stateside where seller was asking north of $160k.... lol..

somehow this photo of a Real ann ct looks a bit kitcarish... the rear wheels need to come out more or a bigger wheels...

Oh and those lounge chair seats gotta go. This Ann ct had aftermarket sport seats which look way better than even the factory sport seat option... Notice owner painted the side ducts in contrasting black and the top side vents in black to closer resemble the older model ct...

Oh and those lounge chair seats gotta go. This Ann ct had aftermarket sport seats which look way better than even the factory sport seat option... Notice owner painted the side ducts in contrasting black and the top side vents in black to closer resemble the older model ct...

Id like to see more pics of this car..

Id like to see more pics of this car..

its on a video. notice they blacked out the edges near the rear light and also the rear scoop as well... black wheels but I think still too small given the bumper...

its on a video. notice they blacked out the edges near the rear light and also the rear scoop as well... black wheels but I think still too small given the bumper...

Wheels look to be stock just painted black.. I think the sideskirt painting is a no go..

Wheels look to be stock just painted black.. I think the sideskirt painting is a no go..

yeah the side skirt is no but still on the fence about the top air vents... the side vent on doors look okay to me... the seats I like without the lambo logo...

yeah the side skirt is no but still on the fence about the top air vents... the side vent on doors look okay to me... the seats I like without the lambo logo...

Seats are ok, nothing special.. The special sport seats Lambo had I like better. Id have to see more pics of the vents. I like the naca door duct done in black.

Seats are ok, nothing special.. The special sport seats Lambo had I like better. Id have to see more pics of the vents. I like the naca door duct done in black.

 

I think the seats at least still better than the factory power ones that weight too heavy other than the sport seats offered from factory... I guess its possible to always source a ct kit car seat and have it reupholstered like the factory ones... the factory ones are just the original seats with different upholstery padding... the vents look just painted though....

I think the seats at least still better than the factory power ones that weight too heavy other than the sport seats offered from factory... I guess its possible to always source a ct kit car seat and have it reupholstered like the factory ones... the factory ones are just the original seats with different upholstery padding... the vents look just painted though....

Diablo seats fit aswell..

Diablo seats fit aswell..

True unless you want the factory look then al u have to do is to take the ct seats to reupholster like the factory Ann sport seats. The structure for lambo Ann sport seats is the same...

here is another one from japan...yellow but man that bumper from that angle is huge! also notice the nasa side intake is painted black to look more like the older variants...

that nasa in black does really restore some of the signature ct design element back into the ann...

here is another one from japan...yellow but man that bumper from that angle is huge! also notice the nasa side intake is painted black to look more like the older variants...

Do you see they also added that lip to the rear wing? They should do that black as well. On the Anni I would leave the bumper, change the wheels. They make the bumper look more proportioned. I like the NACA duct done in black as well as the wing tips. what are they using for those lower sideskirts? Is that just glued on molding?

Do you see they also added that lip to the rear wing? They should do that black as well. On the Anni I would leave the bumper, change the wheels. They make the bumper look more proportioned. I like the NACA duct done in black as well as the wing tips. what are they using for those lower sideskirts? Is that just glued on molding?

 

Yep. I believe those are rubber moldings glued or tacked on. As to the bumper, if you have the big wheels then the bumper can stay, as it will keep the proportions. But with the factory wheels, that big bumper needs to go.... The naca duct in black is a must because that thing is like another signature countach look, dont know why they painted in body color, which I think fattens up the center line a lot which gives the ann a fatter broad side....

With so many ann ct always for sale, it would be foolish to think that prices would start to skyrocket before any of the other variants of ct out there... especially since its styling is polarizing to many... It is simply a case of supply/demand where there are always ann for sale and the demand simple is not there... perhaps it would be for the amateur collector that has no clue of the order of CT in terms of popularity... Im always amazed and just laugh when I see sellers who post ridiculous for sale prices for ann when clearly it will be a long time coming before they get that asking price... or if they get some car collector who has no clue and just simply to want any ct in their collection... I just read somewhere an ann ct stateside where seller was asking north of $160k.... lol..

 

 

No disrespect intended....but utter shite.

 

This poll reflects which members own which cars and nothing more. The differences in CT's to the non boffin are marginal at best...and in reality there are few differences. Take off a bumper and light surrounds and hey presto. The reality is also that the Anv is the most popular CT, selling comfortably the most units as a single model. The reality is also that when released the press favoured it.

 

All CT's a nice, and to non owners, all ct's are incredible.

 

Unfortunately it is the puritanical geekoid moron who works within the motoring press who dreams up this shite whilst driving around in his Yugo and then puts it in to print....thereby starting a trend which all the other geekoid Yugo driving motor press catch on to....and before too long the geekoid motoring public sector cottons on....and before too long....Anv CT's are the devils spawn and the only real 911 is pre 1973 and so on.....

 

The reality is 99% of the car buying populous wouldn't give a shit.....

No disrespect intended....but utter shite.

 

This poll reflects which members own which cars and nothing more. The differences in CT's to the non boffin are marginal at best...and in reality there are few differences. Take off a bumper and light surrounds and hey presto. The reality is also that the Anv is the most popular CT, selling comfortably the most units as a single model. The reality is also that when released the press favoured it.

 

All CT's a nice, and to non owners, all ct's are incredible.

 

Unfortunately it is the puritanical geekoid moron who works within the motoring press who dreams up this shite whilst driving around in his Yugo and then puts it in to print....thereby starting a trend which all the other geekoid Yugo driving motor press catch on to....and before too long the geekoid motoring public sector cottons on....and before too long....Anv CT's are the devils spawn and the only real 911 is pre 1973 and so on.....

 

The reality is 99% of the car buying populous wouldn't give a shit.....

I dont think its about owners and their cars, its about which Countach you would be least likely to buy if given the choice.

that nasa in black does really restore some of the signature ct design element back into the ann...

 

NACA.... Not NASA...

 

NACA.... Not NASA...

my bad

No disrespect intended....but utter shite.

 

This poll reflects which members own which cars and nothing more. The differences in CT's to the non boffin are marginal at best...and in reality there are few differences. Take off a bumper and light surrounds and hey presto. The reality is also that the Anv is the most popular CT, selling comfortably the most units as a single model. The reality is also that when released the press favoured it.

 

All CT's a nice, and to non owners, all ct's are incredible.

 

Unfortunately it is the puritanical geekoid moron who works within the motoring press who dreams up this shite whilst driving around in his Yugo and then puts it in to print....thereby starting a trend which all the other geekoid Yugo driving motor press catch on to....and before too long the geekoid motoring public sector cottons on....and before too long....Anv CT's are the devils spawn and the only real 911 is pre 1973 and so on.....

 

The reality is 99% of the car buying populous wouldn't give a shit.....

I think the title and poll is pretty self explanatory... unless ct owners are illiterate... And being that we are on a forum populated by lamborghini afficionados, WE know the difference, as will anyone doing their research... As to popularity of the ct variants, all we have to do is to see which variant has the most posters... its the variants that were non ann that were predominant... those were the ones that were on my wall growing up, not the ann.... The reality is that the ann ct is a transitional model to the diablo and hence the most radical changes in body work to reflect that transition... Those changes being done by Pagani and not Gandini... Because from the lp400s all the way up til the qv, little has changed visually nor was it deemed necessary. Also, pay close attention to the rear of the ann where if you take off the bumper, the rear fender has a crease which is NOT reflecting of any of the ct. Another reality is that the ann was the heaviest car of the bunch. power seats with like 2 inches of travel, power windows with 2 inches of opening, a hefty bumper all make it the heaviest. The rear suspension arms were shortened... great for drifting... but why would anyone drift on a ct? The lack of powersteering makes countersteering a drifting ct probably only for the muscle bound individual and not for the faint of heart... Was it the most comfortable, probably.... but the countach never was to be comfortable... All those so called creature comforts were somehow contradictory to character of the car... which is heavy gear change, clutch, steering, and hard to see out of.... To add a powerseat and windows is somewhat not true to the character of the ct... The ann ct was built in the greatest numbers not because it was the most popular but because it was near the peak of the supercar frenzy where virtually everyone wanted to buy supercars to flip for profit.., the factory simply churned them out to support that frenzy. I havent seen any lamborghini anniversary models with production number in the 1000 plus range except for the annn ct... If anyone still has a copy of early 90s dupont registry, one can see the amount of ann for sale at crazy prices... why? because those that got the cars for 300k thinking it was the last variant simply got hosed...

 

While I believe that all ct are great, the fact remains that given a choice, would I pick the ann ct over other variants of the ct? probably not... And when i was in the process of searching for my ct, there were a LOT of ann that were available... and there still are to this day...

Hmmm....did you read my post ?

 

In regard to the defensive middle paragraph, again no disrespect, I rest my case.

 

In regard to there being more Anv's....again, as mentioned they built twice as many.

 

I think my comments in regard to this poll would be better understood if all the ct owners would answer the same poll but for ownership. It would be the same result no ?

 

Please don't get me wrong....I dont particularly favour one model against the other, although I do feel the Anv looks the most modern with design changes clever enough to not make it look like a 'classic'....as with the Diablo it's design appears to be in limbo so to to speak. Well, to me at least.

 

That is my opinion and I am entitled to it....what I was stressing is the whole hoopla over the differences in the cars....and you pretty much summed it up in one sentence !!

 

As for the weight....the reality is that that the later cars are not far apart, a fat chap driving would have more of an impact. Have you picked up a rear Anv bumber ?

 

 

The suspension was altered under the watchful eye of both Sandro Munari and Andretti who suggested the improvements......again, in my eyes no bad thing.

Hmmm....did you read my post ?

 

In regard to the defensive middle paragraph, again no disrespect, I rest my case.

 

In regard to there being more Anv's....again, as mentioned they built twice as many.

 

I think my comments in regard to this poll would be better understood if all the ct owners would answer the same poll but for ownership. It would be the same result no ?

 

Please don't get me wrong....I dont particularly favour one model against the other, although I do feel the Anv looks the most modern with design changes clever enough to not make it look like a 'classic'....as with the Diablo it's design appears to be in limbo so to to speak. Well, to me at least.

 

That is my opinion and I am entitled to it....what I was stressing is the whole hoopla over the differences in the cars....and you pretty much summed it up in one sentence !!

 

As for the weight....the reality is that that the later cars are not far apart, a fat chap driving would have more of an impact. Have you picked up a rear Anv bumber ?

 

Yes I did and I dont believe any of my input to the matter was defensive but simply to highlight the differences that show the car for what it is. There are no cases nor is this a court hearing...lol.

 

Pertaining to numbers of ct, your statement of more being made only supported the fact that the ann ct was the only ann variant in history of Lamborghini built in the largest number with least exclusivity... not reflecting popularity of the car but rather reflecting the time when everyone was flipping exotic cars... Highest price before the crash on ann ct was around 400k which was absurd... Again, for sale publications at that time can support this. Then look to later publications and you will see prices coming down on the ann... why? Because they simply made too many of them.....

 

And yes we can see you dont favor one against another.. and of course you are entitled to your opinion... its a free forum and everyone can speak their mind. As to ann ct being most modern, I would similarly agree to disagree with you because the CT shape was always modern in itself. Adding a big rear bumper and all the additional vents imho only detracts from the original clean shape that made it so avantegarde....

 

As to the hoopla over differences.... tell that to the lp400S low body crowd....lol. Most people cant wont know the difference between a low body lp400s over other non ann ct variants.... yet countach enthusiast know... and pay the difference... And of course, since we are on a lambo forum, why not have useful info for everyone to share? Besides, the ann ct differences to the normal ct are clearly more pronounced and noteworthy..... Its not like we need a tape measurement to figure out a low body to a normal body ct...

 

And as to poll title... it is what it is.... the title is self explanatory.... ownership numbers dont equate to desirability....

 

pertaining to weight, Im pretty sure anyone can figure out how much poundage a typical motorized seat and motor assembly for windows will do.. 60lbs-80lbs typical of a motorized seat x2 vs 25lb non motorized x 2 and you can figure out how much weight is added.... A qv without them certainly will be lighter... just simple add and subtract common sense... As to the bumper, it is a piece that visually creates an unnecessary girth to the angular shape of the rear.... Its visually heavy and unnecessary addition to an otherwise clean design... A countach with 100-200lbs less weight is a ct with 100-200lbs less weight....

 

Ive worked with professional drifters to know just a little bit about their suspension set up.... As to suspension, narrowing the track on a car only reduces stability, hence ann ct are driftable.... which in the hands of CAPABLE drivers.... maybe a plus... but a CT was never intended for drifting.... nor was the steering light enough to allow for good drifting...since drifting requires quick steering inputs... Similarly the same can be said on the seats... I believe it was Paul Frere who contributed to adding support to the seats of the ann ct... but he didnt ask for power seats....lol.

Hope this answers your statements....cheers.

Hmmm....did you read my post ?

 

In regard to the defensive middle paragraph, again no disrespect, I rest my case.

 

In regard to there being more Anv's....again, as mentioned they built twice as many.

 

I think my comments in regard to this poll would be better understood if all the ct owners would answer the same poll but for ownership. It would be the same result no ?

 

Please don't get me wrong....I dont particularly favour one model against the other, although I do feel the Anv looks the most modern with design changes clever enough to not make it look like a 'classic'....as with the Diablo it's design appears to be in limbo so to to speak. Well, to me at least.

 

That is my opinion and I am entitled to it....what I was stressing is the whole hoopla over the differences in the cars....and you pretty much summed it up in one sentence !!

 

As for the weight....the reality is that that the later cars are not far apart, a fat chap driving would have more of an impact. Have you picked up a rear Anv bumber ?

 

 

The suspension was altered under the watchful eye of both Sandro Munari and Andretti who suggested the improvements......again, in my eyes no bad thing.

 

Well, if the rear bumper is anything like that of a diablo, its going to be atleast 60-70lbs..

The suspension was altered under the watchful eye of both Sandro Munari and Andretti who suggested the improvements......again, in my eyes no bad thing.

 

As any racer will tell you... each person's driving style is different and based on the fact that Sandro was a rally driver, I can see where he contributed to the driftability on a ct. However, drifting a ct is not necessarily an ideal thing on a ct unless the ann ct has power steering which allows for faster steering adjustments to correct and facilitate the drift. I am not aware ann ct has power steering... which I think in the hands of most drivers is actually not a good thing.... I remember the ann ct for sale at Dallas .... dont remember if it was a andretti ann ct or not, but it lost control and crashed...