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This just makes me think even more that there needs to be rules regarding how many young passengers there can be in a car with a teenage driver. One teen generally isn't going to do too much, especially while driving, but add in three other 17 year olds, and the stupidity increases 10 fold. I'd be willing to bet that the dialog between the two kids in the Civic Hybrid went something like this: [Driver] Hey there's _________ ( [Passenger] Yeah dude, that's definitely him! [Driver] Hey man let's race him [Passenger] DO IT MAN, DO IT NOW [Driver] Don't worry, I'll smoke him [Passenger] We'll show him [Driver] Yeah, and to make sure he doesn't pass us, I'll use all of the lanes to block him! [Passenger] Awesome! Everyone knows teens do STUPID things. I do and say some incredibly insipid things all of the time (unfortunately, some of them have been on this board, I'm learning...) The main problem is that at this age, the things that you say and do don't register until about 5 minutes after you've done them — at which time you've probably done something else unfortunate.

I always thought that the Estoque was pretty close to being ready for the road when the concept was shown, as in no new technology or parts needed for development. It seems perfectly reasonable that Lambo just did a few brief test runs of the saloon around the factory, hence no spy shots. Just thinking out loud, as the Estoque — priced properly — would be perfect for production Q3 of 2010 to squeeze a few more funds for the Murci replacement.

How was the SL on the track?

The Veyron will probably end up going in the direction of the Zonda in terms of production. We'll see a lot of one-offs and special editions floating around, most of which will probably be paint and trim specials. As for taking a dive on each car, they knew that before they started selling them, it didn't stop them from putting it in production. This is and will always be a landmark car, VW knows this and has the funds to offset the (substantial) loss on each car.

Absolutely love the boost pressure gauge in the air vent, top notch work.

This will certainly sell out, just give it a low production run, and a base price just south of $300K. I say give anything the green light that will fund the Murci replacement (and next-gen G).

Love it, everyone involved had a good time, the driver, the people on the street, and the people watching the video. I would only do that late on the weekends though, partying and loud exotic cars go together perfectly, but on a Wednesday afternoon, not so much.

Absolutely insane/amazing/pointless taking the corner like that/coolest thing ever (I could decide which one to go with). Launching the cars just to brake a few meters later sort of gives the impression that they ship these cars out to London JUST to show off. Doesn't Bother me one bit though, love to watch them do it!

Mercedes took on too much to revive their most iconic car, the design really seems rushed and not interpreted well — especially the rear end. I'd be really interested in seeing the design studies that the Mercedes design team went through before deciding on this as the final design; I'm just assuming there were better options on the drawing board.

They are both great cars, no wrong choice, hope you enjoy it!

Nah, just a pinch out of my league.

I certainly wasn't trying to insult anyone, that is never my intention (keep that in mind for my future posts). I also shouldn't really be talking about "proper driving" since, well, the only time I've seen a track is in Gran Turismo. I think that the main lesson learned here is: "Never talk about something that you have never actually done yourself, from the perspective of someone who has". I won't talk about Lamborghini owners again until I actually own one myself.

That just means that you're good at judging people. I re-read all of my posts in this thread and I think that I hold my own. Regardless, I think that I'm defending my point on an adult level, so please continue.

Let's try this again. It has been stated by other people on this board that most owners of cars like these (not just Lamborghinis) aren't worried about throttle response, chassis rigidity, and how flat the car is under heavy braking. I'm not talking about the owners on this board, as the owners here (I feel) don't represent the typical Lamborghini owner. I said NOTHING about not being able to handle RWD, don't phrase it like that when that is clearly not what I said. For a car that is going to be driven purely around town and on the highway (and see no performance driving), AWD is probably the better choice, but don't tell me that the driver that is going to make a choice for RWD isn't more concerned about the way their car handles and feels through curves than an exotic car customer whose main concern is flashy motoring. You are a perfect example of this. You're placing your order for your LP570 Super L (congratulations btw, I really hope you enjoy it!) because you are obviously interested in having lighter weight for better throttle and steering response. You want to experience sharper driving dynamics than the normal Gallardo offers, so you made a choice to have a more extreme Lamborghini, which is why I'm guessing that you (and other Super L and SV owners are not exclusively "Boulevard Cruising" drivers). You want a more driver oriented car. And of course Lamborghini researched the market, THAT'S WHAT COMPANIES DO! They research the market and find out what customers want. When you want profit, give your customers what they want. This is exactly why the Balboni was praised as being a more pure Lamborghini — the RWD, and lots of people (not just customers), wanted to lose the 4WD. I remember specifically when Adnan posted pictures from when he took his white LP640 Roadster to a track, lots people responded with "It's great to see a car like this being driven on a track". Don't bring up my age, I am 18, the board voted and I was banned according to what the mods and members thought was appropriate. I served my time. My posts are coherent, developed, and I display my thoughts and ideas in an adult manner (even if you don't agree with what I'm saying). I said nothing about posers (you used that phrasing, not me), and I don't mean "Boulevard Cruiser" in a bad way. So please, no one think that I believe that exotic cars have to see track time or the owner doesn't deserve them or aren't "true" owners. All I am saying is that the driver that buys a car like this purely for "flash appeal", will probably not car about 4WD vs. RWD. That is a concern — generally — of the more "involved" driver.

Not sure what that is supposed to mean. Most Lamborghinis' never see any proper driving time, even a simple B-road blast. They are driven as boulevard cruisers — powerful boulevard cruisers, but still boulevard cruisers. The cars are set up for performance driving, but most never see it. The new offering of a permanent RWD platform could very well mean that what I suggested is true.