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This just makes me think even more that there needs to be rules regarding how many young passengers there can be in a car with a teenage driver. One teen generally isn't going to do too much, especially while driving, but add in three other 17 year olds, and the stupidity increases 10 fold. I'd be willing to bet that the dialog between the two kids in the Civic Hybrid went something like this: [Driver] Hey there's _________ ( [Passenger] Yeah dude, that's definitely him! [Driver] Hey man let's race him [Passenger] DO IT MAN, DO IT NOW [Driver] Don't worry, I'll smoke him [Passenger] We'll show him [Driver] Yeah, and to make sure he doesn't pass us, I'll use all of the lanes to block him! [Passenger] Awesome! Everyone knows teens do STUPID things. I do and say some incredibly insipid things all of the time (unfortunately, some of them have been on this board, I'm learning...) The main problem is that at this age, the things that you say and do don't register until about 5 minutes after you've done them — at which time you've probably done something else unfortunate.

I always thought that the Estoque was pretty close to being ready for the road when the concept was shown, as in no new technology or parts needed for development. It seems perfectly reasonable that Lambo just did a few brief test runs of the saloon around the factory, hence no spy shots. Just thinking out loud, as the Estoque — priced properly — would be perfect for production Q3 of 2010 to squeeze a few more funds for the Murci replacement.

How was the SL on the track?

The Veyron will probably end up going in the direction of the Zonda in terms of production. We'll see a lot of one-offs and special editions floating around, most of which will probably be paint and trim specials. As for taking a dive on each car, they knew that before they started selling them, it didn't stop them from putting it in production. This is and will always be a landmark car, VW knows this and has the funds to offset the (substantial) loss on each car.

Absolutely love the boost pressure gauge in the air vent, top notch work.

This will certainly sell out, just give it a low production run, and a base price just south of $300K. I say give anything the green light that will fund the Murci replacement (and next-gen G).

Love it, everyone involved had a good time, the driver, the people on the street, and the people watching the video. I would only do that late on the weekends though, partying and loud exotic cars go together perfectly, but on a Wednesday afternoon, not so much.

Absolutely insane/amazing/pointless taking the corner like that/coolest thing ever (I could decide which one to go with). Launching the cars just to brake a few meters later sort of gives the impression that they ship these cars out to London JUST to show off. Doesn't Bother me one bit though, love to watch them do it!

Mercedes took on too much to revive their most iconic car, the design really seems rushed and not interpreted well — especially the rear end. I'd be really interested in seeing the design studies that the Mercedes design team went through before deciding on this as the final design; I'm just assuming there were better options on the drawing board.

They are both great cars, no wrong choice, hope you enjoy it!

Nah, just a pinch out of my league.

I certainly wasn't trying to insult anyone, that is never my intention (keep that in mind for my future posts). I also shouldn't really be talking about "proper driving" since, well, the only time I've seen a track is in Gran Turismo. I think that the main lesson learned here is: "Never talk about something that you have never actually done yourself, from the perspective of someone who has". I won't talk about Lamborghini owners again until I actually own one myself.

That just means that you're good at judging people. I re-read all of my posts in this thread and I think that I hold my own. Regardless, I think that I'm defending my point on an adult level, so please continue.

Let's try this again. It has been stated by other people on this board that most owners of cars like these (not just Lamborghinis) aren't worried about throttle response, chassis rigidity, and how flat the car is under heavy braking. I'm not talking about the owners on this board, as the owners here (I feel) don't represent the typical Lamborghini owner. I said NOTHING about not being able to handle RWD, don't phrase it like that when that is clearly not what I said. For a car that is going to be driven purely around town and on the highway (and see no performance driving), AWD is probably the better choice, but don't tell me that the driver that is going to make a choice for RWD isn't more concerned about the way their car handles and feels through curves than an exotic car customer whose main concern is flashy motoring. You are a perfect example of this. You're placing your order for your LP570 Super L (congratulations btw, I really hope you enjoy it!) because you are obviously interested in having lighter weight for better throttle and steering response. You want to experience sharper driving dynamics than the normal Gallardo offers, so you made a choice to have a more extreme Lamborghini, which is why I'm guessing that you (and other Super L and SV owners are not exclusively "Boulevard Cruising" drivers). You want a more driver oriented car. And of course Lamborghini researched the market, THAT'S WHAT COMPANIES DO! They research the market and find out what customers want. When you want profit, give your customers what they want. This is exactly why the Balboni was praised as being a more pure Lamborghini — the RWD, and lots of people (not just customers), wanted to lose the 4WD. I remember specifically when Adnan posted pictures from when he took his white LP640 Roadster to a track, lots people responded with "It's great to see a car like this being driven on a track". Don't bring up my age, I am 18, the board voted and I was banned according to what the mods and members thought was appropriate. I served my time. My posts are coherent, developed, and I display my thoughts and ideas in an adult manner (even if you don't agree with what I'm saying). I said nothing about posers (you used that phrasing, not me), and I don't mean "Boulevard Cruiser" in a bad way. So please, no one think that I believe that exotic cars have to see track time or the owner doesn't deserve them or aren't "true" owners. All I am saying is that the driver that buys a car like this purely for "flash appeal", will probably not car about 4WD vs. RWD. That is a concern — generally — of the more "involved" driver.

Not sure what that is supposed to mean. Most Lamborghinis' never see any proper driving time, even a simple B-road blast. They are driven as boulevard cruisers — powerful boulevard cruisers, but still boulevard cruisers. The cars are set up for performance driving, but most never see it. The new offering of a permanent RWD platform could very well mean that what I suggested is true.

The petrol head label comes naturally. Car enthusiasts aren't thinking "Oh no, I wonder if people really think I'm a true gear head, I better read up on proper gear ratios for cars with little low range torque". People who park outside of the hottest restaurants just to be seen and dress entirely in Ed Hardy worry about image exclusively. They think to themselves "Are people going to think I'm cool? I should buy this really flashy car just to make sure". Petrol heads don't care if people know they're auto enthusiasts. People who show off do it because they are completely dependent on what other people think of them.

Was the demand for the Balboni so extreme that they decided it was time to offer a permanent rear wheel drive option? I imagine that the majority of Gallardo (or most Lamborghini owners for that matter) could not care less about 4wd vs. Rwd. I always suspected that potential Balboni owners where more interested in owning a "driver's car" and proper enthusiasts. Could this mean that more Lamborghini owners are shifting from people who just want to drive around in a cool and expensive car, to drivers who are more concerned with driving dynamics than image?

The CCBs on the 560 are MUCH better than the previous generation Gallardo CCBs. I'm not saying this from experience, but I've heard nothing but praise for the ceramics on the 560 compared to the older Gallardo CCBs. Now, Lamborghini might have made the Superleggera ceramics a bit "sharper" just because of the harder dynamic of this model, but I still think they will be nothing like the previous Superleggera "on or off" ceramics. I say go for the ceramics, and congratulations for ordering one. As for the calipers, if the black on the press car look go to you, then go with those!

There has to be SOME way to make this street legal... I mean, if you replaced the track exhaust, I really don't see how anyone would find out (assuming that they're not familiar with the legality of different Lamborghini models). The only giveaway would be the exhaust — which I'm guessing would completely tell this cars "track only" status. But have a normal sounding exhaust, and don't street race, and the police would have no reason to investigate — barring an accident.

Story wise, is it pretty much exactly as I would guess from watching the trailers? The story seems pretty obvious and simple (although very touching), so I'm guessing that the acting is the real winner in this movie opposed to the innovations in screenwriting and filmmaking.

Stronger than the need to kill should be the need to live. In the case of the strangling teen, even if you have these "cravings", the idea of a possible 70 more years inside of a maximum security prison (assuming that a life sentence would last him until his late 80's) SHOULD be enough to cave those cravings. I mean, I love a good cheeseburger (used from his craving comparison), but if I knew that if I had one I would go to prison for the rest of my life, I wouldn't touch another burger. Doesn't he use this knowledge of "no more freedom" and essentially no more life as a reason to not strangle anyone?

Lamborghini, Ferrari, and Bentley have all announced that they're not going to the LA show. I guess they are cutting back, but why would you cut back on your main market? I can certainly understand skipping Detroit, but SoCal is responsible for the majority of Bull Sales. For those hoping to see a Reventon Roadster or an SV at the LA show, sorry. Although since it is Los Angeles, you could probably just go to the parking lot and see several bulls, horses, and, uh, Bents?

The GTR held on longer than I thought it would. But this is what you expect from 483 hp vs. 560 hp.

I don't mind the idea of the bumper sticker, but for me, if the bumper sticker doesn't make me at least smile or think "that's pretty clever", which is rare, they just bother me. Most bumper stickers are rude, poorly designed, and only have repugnant qualities. Examples: "I pray, GET OVER IT" "Yeah I'm on the phone, so what?" "My Prius is smarter than your honor student" ANYTHING involving Prius, Priuses, Prii, whatever, is just wrong. "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign" All political bumper stickers, don't need that while driving. etc. So, the bumper sticker, informing the world, or faster way to make enemies?

When I posted this I was truly thinking, "I'll bet someone will post some entertaining stories in this thread", and sure enough Capt. Chaos did just that. Skokos, you have to admit that was a great story, and you did seem to (really) enjoy it. Honestly, this is a site were any thread has the potential for posts that are as you did say about capt.'s post "comedic gold".