Countach exhaust system

Ansa, and i suppose QS too, delivers a pleasant loud sound even at idle at 900 RPM.

 

ciao

 

Sorry Albert...but no they don't...and I have had both. They sound pleasant indeed but they are not 'loud' at 900 rpm by any means. They are designed that way. Next to a tubi or Kressig or similar they are positively normal. I would go as far as saying than an rs6 or similar with sports cans is as loud on idle as a CT Ansa or QS. Please don't get me wrong, it is not a good or bad thing....it is different horses for different courses.

 

 

I heard Countach ANSAs are giant pieces of crap, from like 7000 different people.... And there were only 2000 countaches ever built... So that in itself is kinda weird right there.

 

I have heard lots of complaints on build quality also.....mine never lined up and it used to drive me mad.

 

 

I'm sorry Roman, there must be an error: "Ansa Sport" and "boring sound" cannot be joined.

 

Nobody ever told me my car has a boring sound! i cannot take out my car from the box early in the morning or i would wake up all my neighbors!

 

Poor fit is very strange, unless you have the USA rear bumper: it doesn't fit unless you ask in advance you need the USA bumper type.

 

You need connecting tubes too, and if you have the cat manifolds (those shitty insulated tubes for FI cars) you need the manifolds too (the tubes coming out engine exhaust ports on the heads side).

 

Poor finish: yes, the Ansa has not a perfect finishing, but just in the part under the car, the visible part is good finished.

 

ciao

 

 

Poor fit is not uncommon.....

 

Although ultimately it doesnt affect the car one bit, Ansa is inferior to QS....in fit and finish.

 

 

 

If you want LLLLOOOOUUUDDDD Romandad.....these are not the cans for you :-)

 

 

 

 

 

I think for loud, you just need to go full straight pipes..

Maybe too loud then ??

Nothing worse than all show and no go.....like a 360 plodding down the road at 30 sounding like a superbike at full revs

Nothing worse than all show and no go.....like a 360 plodding down the road at 30 sounding like a superbike at full revs

I think Countach can get away with it..

So I just spoke to Evans re my engine. He seems to think it is not very serious. Not exactly how that correlates to expense, but Im sure there is some savings there.

 

So. If I went crazy and did konigeigsgaeaesaes would I do headers too? What kind?

Sorry Albert...but no they don't...and I have had both. They sound pleasant indeed but they are not 'loud' at 900 rpm by any means. They are designed that way. Next to a tubi or Kressig or similar they are positively normal. I would go as far as saying than an rs6 or similar with sports cans is as loud on idle as a CT Ansa or QS. Please don't get me wrong, it is not a good or bad thing....it is different horses for different courses.

 

 

 

 

I have heard lots of complaints on build quality also.....mine never lined up and it used to drive me mad.

 

 

 

 

 

Poor fit is not uncommon.....

 

Although ultimately it doesnt affect the car one bit, Ansa is inferior to QS....in fit and finish.

 

 

 

If you want LLLLOOOOUUUDDDD Romandad.....these are not the cans for you :-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

What are those

QS....

What are those

Quicksilver

Sorry Albert...but no they don't...and I have had both. They sound pleasant indeed but they are not 'loud' at 900 rpm by any means. They are designed that way. Next to a tubi or Kressig or similar they are positively normal. I would go as far as saying than an rs6 or similar with sports cans is as loud on idle as a CT Ansa or QS. Please don't get me wrong, it is not a good or bad thing....it is different horses for different courses.

 

Thank you very much for your answer: I never saw a QS with my eyes, but in pictures looks better finished. As the loud sound, i'm very happy of my one: i like it very much and that is the correct Countach sound i remembered from youth.

 

But let me say one thing: Countach is an hand made car, with disappointing wrong aligned body panels: did you ever see how they fitted the roof to the car? they used an hammer!

 

I wanted to own that old hand made italian supercar, not a by far better, faster and more modern Gallardo.

So, in my personal opinion, the hand made official factory option Ansa Sport is the "perfectly fitting" exhaust for that car, and if it does not perfectly fit to the car (like my trunk lid and many other car pieces), means it's the correct one.

 

Otherwise i had to put on the car a better big rear wing (i think they could not make a worse rear wing than the OEM one), throw away those shitty Weber carbs and put on the ten times better Mikuni, replace those ridicolous brakes with some real brakes and so on...

 

But that assembly would be no more a Countach, that is a piece of history and the more it is oem, the better is for me.

 

I'm sure this is not your taste, but this is my point of view. I think QS is probably better built, but that USA exhaust is not a Lamborghini piece: Countach weared THAT Italian made exhaust, the USA one is just a copy. Tubi? a Maranello made exhaust for my Lambo? Never!

 

I respect your opininion, of course: this is just an exchange of point of view, you are very pleasant in your writing and i learned a lot of things from your post.

 

ciao

Thank you very much for your answer: I never saw a QS with my eyes, but in pictures looks better finished. As the loud sound, i'm very happy of my one: i like it very much and that is the correct Countach sound i remembered from youth.

 

But let me say one thing: Countach is an hand made car, with disappointing wrong aligned body panels: did you ever see how they fitted the roof to the car? they used an hammer!

 

I wanted to own that old hand made italian supercar, not a by far better, faster and more modern Gallardo.

So, in my personal opinion, the hand made official factory option Ansa Sport is the "perfectly fitting" exhaust for that car, and if it does not perfectly fit to the car (like my trunk lid and many other car pieces), means it's the correct one.

 

Otherwise i had to put on the car a better big rear wing (i think they could not make a worse rear wing than the OEM one), throw away those shitty Weber carbs and put on the ten times better Mikuni, replace those ridicolous brakes with some real brakes and so on...

 

But that assembly would be no more a Countach, that is a piece of history and the more it is oem, the better is for me.

 

I'm sure this is not your taste, but this is my point of view. I think QS is probably better built, but that USA exhaust is not a Lamborghini piece: Countach weared THAT Italian made exhaust, the USA one is just a copy. Tubi? a Maranello made exhaust for my Lambo? Never!

 

I respect your opininion, of course: this is just an exchange of point of view, you are very pleasant in your writing and i learned a lot of things from your post.

 

ciao

 

Im sorry... But somewhere Joe Sackey is smiling at this post.

 

 

 

I've heard this "It came from the factory with all these flaws and to fix them is to 'over restore" it and make it lose its heritage" hogwash for years now.

 

Im sorry... But fcuk that. Yeah, QC at Lamborghini SPA left a lot to be desired... Which resulted in hit and miss results from their cars.... But the idea that that somehow puts a ceiling on what we as owners are supposed to expect from our cars 25+ years later is pure bullshit...

 

If you look hard enough, you will find threads on this forum, where people have found FOREIGN OBJECTS IN THEIR fcuking ENGINES during rebuilds.... I'm having my engine rebuilt right now... Should I demand George throw a handful of roofing nails into the block before he puts the head on just so I can maintain that Lamborghini authenticity and street cred with the purists?

 

Its MY CAR... I don't run the Lamborghini Museum, and I couldn't give a shit if the wine and cheese crowd at Monterey dont like my MSD ignition (A modification so UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED for its ability to simply make the car DRIVABLE that anybody who doesn't do it, should sell the car to somebody who will)...

 

Im about ENJOYING MY CAR... Not making somebody else happy or meeting somebody else's idea of brand purity.

Im sorry... But somewhere Joe Sackey is smiling at this post.

 

 

 

I've heard this "It came from the factory with all these flaws and to fix them is to 'over restore" it and make it lose its heritage" hogwash for years now.

 

Im sorry... But fcuk that. Yeah, QC at Lamborghini SPA left a lot to be desired... Which resulted in hit and miss results from their cars.... But the idea that that somehow puts a ceiling on what we as owners are supposed to expect from our cars 25+ years later is pure bullshit...

 

If you look hard enough, you will find threads on this forum, where people have found FOREIGN OBJECTS IN THEIR fcuking ENGINES during rebuilds.... I'm having my engine rebuilt right now... Should I demand George throw a handful of roofing nails into the block before he puts the head on just so I can maintain that Lamborghini authenticity and street cred with the purists?

 

Its MY CAR... I don't run the Lamborghini Museum, and I couldn't give a shit if the wine and cheese crowd at Monterey dont like my MSD ignition (A modification so UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED for its ability to simply make the car DRIVABLE that anybody who doesn't do it, should sell the car to somebody who will)...

 

Im about ENJOYING MY CAR... Not making somebody else happy or meeting somebody else's idea of brand purity.

 

lol... evans found an italian porn magazine with big hair women under your passenger seat carpet, is that yours? lol.

lol... evans found an italian porn magazine with big hair women under your passenger seat carpet, is that yours? lol.

 

No, but I wish it was!

No, but I wish it was!

 

lol.. used porn italian mag = historical significance! Thats going to make the car worth like at least 50k more...lol

lol.. used porn italian mag = historical significance! Thats going to make the car worth like at least 50k more...lol

 

If Balboni Ballboned with it, its worth at least 100K more.

If Balboni Ballboned with it, its worth at least 100K more.

 

yep especially if he ballboned it while testing out the car somewhere on the ballboni hwy...lol

Im sorry... But somewhere Joe Sackey is smiling at this post.

 

 

 

I've heard this "It came from the factory with all these flaws and to fix them is to 'over restore" it and make it lose its heritage" hogwash for years now.

 

Im sorry... But fcuk that. Yeah, QC at Lamborghini SPA left a lot to be desired... Which resulted in hit and miss results from their cars.... But the idea that that somehow puts a ceiling on what we as owners are supposed to expect from our cars 25+ years later is pure bullshit...

 

If you look hard enough, you will find threads on this forum, where people have found FOREIGN OBJECTS IN THEIR fcuking ENGINES during rebuilds.... I'm having my engine rebuilt right now... Should I demand George throw a handful of roofing nails into the block before he puts the head on just so I can maintain that Lamborghini authenticity and street cred with the purists?

 

Its MY CAR... I don't run the Lamborghini Museum, and I couldn't give a shit if the wine and cheese crowd at Monterey dont like my MSD ignition (A modification so UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED for its ability to simply make the car DRIVABLE that anybody who doesn't do it, should sell the car to somebody who will)...

 

Im about ENJOYING MY CAR... Not making somebody else happy or meeting somebody else's idea of brand purity.

 

 

agree on this

in the end the main point is to have fun with the car. period

 

i think Albert didnt't meant that he wanted a bad exhaust with poor fittings and some kind of issues...BUT ALL original to keep it correct

he is not a "fundamentalist"

 

probably he was thinking that, as long as it worcks-performs well, sounds evil and last for a long time, he does not care if the welding are all identicals and with a 1/100th micron precision or if the finish is not the same as the last TOP of the line aventador MS RACING japanese tig welded muffler with 4 valves to control the noise from the cockpit ....

 

he probably think that as long as it worcks - performs good (and does not cost 10k$) all sport exahust are good

and i fully agree with it

i am all for modification to make the car runs better and being more reliable, as long as they do not completely denaturalize the car ( i would not want a murcie engine in the countach, even if it worcks better and is more powerfull)

 

the MSD ignition is great! i do not care about keeping the old magneti marelli unit since it is a small electric piece hidden in the car...i would just keep it in a box if i have ever need to sell to car ....and end of story

 

at the same time, i wuld not want to lose the caracter of the car and i like to keep stuff on the car quite correct for the period

 

as an example i would not put a modern MP3-DVD ALPINE over the old obsolete cassette player...who cares if the latter sounds better? i listened to the radio once in 8 years i do drive them...i like the car to look almost the same as it was when it was new

as well as personally i would not want (for example) a titanium exhaust on a countach or a BB, simply because i would like to keep it period correct for the look and those would look "out of place on a 30 years old car"

 

i do not care of a bit "rough" finish on the muffler's welds, since if i wanted a perfect fit and finish car i would have bought a mercedes SL and not a countach from the start

Thank you very much for your answer: I never saw a QS with my eyes, but in pictures looks better finished. As the loud sound, i'm very happy of my one: i like it very much and that is the correct Countach sound i remembered from youth.

 

But let me say one thing: Countach is an hand made car, with disappointing wrong aligned body panels: did you ever see how they fitted the roof to the car? they used an hammer!

 

I wanted to own that old hand made italian supercar, not a by far better, faster and more modern Gallardo.

So, in my personal opinion, the hand made official factory option Ansa Sport is the "perfectly fitting" exhaust for that car, and if it does not perfectly fit to the car (like my trunk lid and many other car pieces), means it's the correct one.

 

Otherwise i had to put on the car a better big rear wing (i think they could not make a worse rear wing than the OEM one), throw away those shitty Weber carbs and put on the ten times better Mikuni, replace those ridicolous brakes with some real brakes and so on...

 

But that assembly would be no more a Countach, that is a piece of history and the more it is oem, the better is for me.

 

I'm sure this is not your taste, but this is my point of view. I think QS is probably better built, but that USA exhaust is not a Lamborghini piece: Countach weared THAT Italian made exhaust, the USA one is just a copy. Tubi? a Maranello made exhaust for my Lambo? Never!

 

I respect your opininion, of course: this is just an exchange of point of view, you are very pleasant in your writing and i learned a lot of things from your post.

 

ciao

 

all valid points, agreed on this

 

the countach is an old car whit a lot of faults today

we still love it for what it is

 

some changes are welcome, too many and too big changes-upgrades would denaturize the car

 

with old-classic cars the matter is where you draw the line btw making it driveable-reliable or turn it into something different

as an example, the vertical webers on the miura are obsolete and the way the admission sistem is built on the miura make them catch fire from time to time

that is known issue

 

SO

would i trash all the webers on the miura for a modern electronic injection sistem? NO

would i make some mods to carbs-airboxes-filters to avoid it catch fire and burn to the gorund in few minutes? YES!!!

all valid points, agreed on this

 

the countach is an old car whit a lot of faults today

we still love it for what it is

 

some changes are welcome, too many and too big changes-upgrades would denaturize the car

 

with old-classic cars the matter is where you draw the line btw making it driveable-reliable or turn it into something different

as an example, the vertical webers on the miura are obsolete and the way the admission sistem is built on the miura make them catch fire from time to time

that is known issue

 

SO

would i trash all the webers on the miura for a modern electronic injection sistem? NO

would i make some mods to carbs-airboxes-filters to avoid it catch fire and burn to the gorund in few minutes? YES!!!

 

I agree about some small upgrades to increase safety/reliability, like the MSD and the other things you mentioned, but we were talking about the exhaust: i think you do not have any significant advantage to have a QS installed instead of an Ansa, but with a QS you have a big visible piece that is not what is should be as it cannot wear the Ansa sticker.

 

I have CPS pistons instead of OEM Borgo in my engine, but they are ten times better (at least) and cost half the price.

 

ciao

I agree about some small upgrades to increase safety/reliability, like the MSD and the other things you mentioned, but we were talking about the exhaust: i think you do not have any significant advantage to have a QS installed instead of an Ansa, but with a QS you have a big visible piece that is not what is should be as it cannot wear the Ansa sticker.

 

I have CPS pistons instead of OEM Borgo in my engine, but they are ten times better (at least) and cost half the price.

 

ciao

I disagree. To much Joe Sack-oh-shitness in this thread.. I think the QS adds value over the Ansa. Ansa is aftermarket anyway, why not go with better looking and made aftermarket. And If I wanted to, I could jet coat the QS black, add a red stripe to the back of the tips, and put an Ansa sticker and paint inside the tip an orangeish red and no one would know. Or if you say they can make in stainless, I wouldnt even need to jet coat it.

I disagree. To much Joe Sack-oh-shitness in this thread.. I think the QS adds value over the Ansa. Ansa is aftermarket anyway, why not go with better looking and made aftermarket. And If I wanted to, I could jet coat the QS black, add a red stripe to the back of the tips, and put an Ansa sticker and paint inside the tip an orangeish red and no one would know. Or if you say they can make in stainless, I wouldnt even need to jet coat it.

That's one way of making it somewhat period correct without settling for quality after brand...but honestly, over the years I've gotten tired of hearing the rhetoric about tip toeing around the word period correctness.... Either you go full on stock as is from the factory , everything inside and out with the stock ignition, stock cylinders, and stock exhaust all the way down to the nut and bolt or you can forget it and just put on quality parts that make the car run and look better.... There really is no middle ground... Nor is it up for interpretations... I find it hypocritical people can shout not factory but add shit and spin it like it enhances the look and calls it "period" correct... If the factory didn't come out with it, it's not original....saying anything else is just twisting history instead of preserving it.... Besides, if modding is so anti-original, we might as well throw away any Walter wolf special mods off because it is not originally on the car... Lets face it, the countach in many ways was the original modders car.... Wings, flares and mods up the yin yang were part of its character. It is one car that shouldn't be judged in a manner like vintage ferraris.... And unfortunately if we really look at history and how the factory had built the cars originally, virtually every countach out there has been modded in some form by its owner...Walter wolf included.... And if that's the case, none would qualify as all original....all countach owners should be damned to non original hell. Lets not perpetuate the bs of period correct vs non original vs original...it only allows people to spin things in a negative light...spoil the true fun of enjoying our cars...unless of cours you'd rather write a book about it...

Thank you very much for your answer: I never saw a QS with my eyes, but in pictures looks better finished. As the loud sound, i'm very happy of my one: i like it very much and that is the correct Countach sound i remembered from youth.

 

But let me say one thing: Countach is an hand made car, with disappointing wrong aligned body panels: did you ever see how they fitted the roof to the car? they used an hammer!

 

I wanted to own that old hand made italian supercar, not a by far better, faster and more modern Gallardo.

So, in my personal opinion, the hand made official factory option Ansa Sport is the "perfectly fitting" exhaust for that car, and if it does not perfectly fit to the car (like my trunk lid and many other car pieces), means it's the correct one.

 

Otherwise i had to put on the car a better big rear wing (i think they could not make a worse rear wing than the OEM one), throw away those shitty Weber carbs and put on the ten times better Mikuni, replace those ridicolous brakes with some real brakes and so on...

 

But that assembly would be no more a Countach, that is a piece of history and the more it is oem, the better is for me.

 

I'm sure this is not your taste, but this is my point of view. I think QS is probably better built, but that USA exhaust is not a Lamborghini piece: Countach weared THAT Italian made exhaust, the USA one is just a copy. Tubi? a Maranello made exhaust for my Lambo? Never!

 

I respect your opininion, of course: this is just an exchange of point of view, you are very pleasant in your writing and i learned a lot of things from your post.

 

ciao

 

Agree with most of what you have said, although I don't think there is anything wrong with making changes, especially if Lamborghini might have done the same if they had only had the money.

I am still surprised that Lamborghini didn't change to 17" wheels (and the bigger brakes they would have allowed) when they became available.

I am getting some 17" wheels made, as I want to fit better brakes, and I'm fed-up with the tyre situation

Lamborghini disliked the wing so much, its amazing that they didn't improve it, (possibly because it wasn't homologated?)

I've removed my wing, and would only replace it with a less-draggy variant

Lamborghini did (eventually) change to fuel injection, I don't know much about the different carbs, except that I struggled to find anyone who could set them up properly.

I have recently gone further and replaced my DD carbs with Jenvey throttlebodies, although you can't see any visual difference as I've kept the original inlet manifold & airbox (they are effectively a direct swap). I also changed to coil packs and mapped ignition at the same time, because my Distributor was on the way out (and damned expensive to replace), but primarily because fuel is so damned expensive over here (£1.43 a litre), and I'm hoping to improve my running costs as well as gain a few more Bulls under the bonnet....

I have a sports exhaust, I don't know which one, although it looks like the QS/Ansa, so the only change I would make is the headers as I believe (rightly or wrongly) that they can be improved on (better flow/bhp etc)

 

We're all fans of the Countach so its no surprise we have strong opinions, but I respect the opinion of any owners (those who drive them, at least...), we are all friends on here......

Lamborghini did (eventually) change to fuel injection,

 

 

One correction.... The ENTIRE WORLD eventually changed to Fuel Injection.

One correction.... The ENTIRE WORLD eventually changed to Fuel Injection.

 

Is fuel injection still being used? Lol

f the factory didn't come out with it, it's not original....saying anything else is just twisting history instead of preserving it.... Besides, if modding is so anti-original, we might as well throw away any Walter wolf special mods off because it is not originally on the car... Lets face it, the countach in many ways was the original modders car.... Wings, flares and mods up the yin yang were part of its character.

 

 

Wolf cars were modded by factory

 

there is a line btw improving-upgrading the car and totally transform it and anyone has his idea of what is good or not

 

would i change muffler, headers, marelli boxes, sparck cables ...? yes

woud i change my engine for a diablo one? no

 

would i change a countach from carbs to FI or viceversa? i am not sure...may be

 

it is not i am right or wrong, anyone has his personal preference