Things are getting crazy in Kiev

Obama has already put him on double secret probation

Maybe he calls him again and bores him to death in another 90 minutes on the phone. Phone bill of the White House must be huge!

What Obama has never realized regarding foreign policy is that:

 

Everyone is watching the news and being brainwashed. The media is only telling one side of the story.

 

Russia sent the military as peace keepers because the Russian speaking population is being threatened by Ukrainian nationalist radicals.

 

The same people that were threatening Ukrainian government and then it over threw the government, now the same Ukraine nationalist radicals are threatening the lives of Russian speaking population in Ukraine.

 

Russian troops will only leave when Ukraine set ups a stable government and the new government will need to make a statement that the Russian speaking population will be left in peace in Ukraine.

 

 

 

 

Putin says he reserves right to protect Russians in Ukraine

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/putin-...f39c_story.html

 

There are many facts here that the US media fails to tell or even recognize.

 

The military was sent in as peace keepers because of threats by Ukrainian nationalist radicals.

 

They had a deal that all agreed upon to hold early elections, then they reneged on the deal.

 

 

Putin is copying Hitler in his actions. I do not think this has anything to do with protecting Russians.

I'll try to explain this in a different way.

 

Lets say your an American, do you like America? Do you love America? Do you love American people? Do you love your people?

 

So your saying if millions of Americans were living in a different country, their government was overthrown and the people that overthrow the government are now threatening the lives of the Americans that are living in that foreign country, are you telling America will just seat back watch this happen without sending peace keepers to protect the Americans?

 

Russia doesn't want a civil war to break out between Russian speaking population and Ukrainians in Ukraine. This will not happen while the Russian military is in place to keep things calm until the government of Ukraine resolves their issues and creates a stable government leadership.

I'll try to explain this in a different way.

 

Lets say your an American, do you like America? Do you love America? Do you love American people? Do you love your people?

 

So your saying if millions of Americans were living in a different country, their government was overthrown and the people that overthrow the government are now threatening the lives of the Americans that are living in that foreign country, are you telling America will just seat back watch this happen without sending peace keepers to protect the Americans?

 

Russia doesn't want a civil war to break out between Russian speaking population and Ukrainians in Ukraine. This will not happen while the Russian military is in place to keep things calm until the government of Ukraine resolves their issues and creates a stable government leadership.

 

I think a better example would be to say What if millions of Mexicans were living in California? What if the government was slowly turning to a more pro-Mexican entity? What if the American citizen population said "F that!" and installed a new pro-American entity? What if the new government said "Hey you Mexicans....live by our rules or GTFO!"? What if Mexico then said "Whoa hold it...those are our citizens there so we are going to set up shop in California to make sure everything stays cool and we may just annex SoCal cause we have a ton of citizens living there."?

 

Yeah I am pretty sure America would say "Forget this crap!" and kick the Mexican Army out of SoCal.

What if for a change everyone is left alone to deal with their own garbage? Let Ukraine deal with Russia, they put their big boy pants on I expect them to handle their own affairs.

HannibalACP82, Russia doesn't want a civil war to break out between Russian speaking population and Ukrainians in Ukraine. This will not happen while the Russian military is in place to keep things calm until the government of Ukraine resolves their issues and creates a stable government leadership.

 

The last thing I want to see in Ukraine is a civil war, with the Russia military there it won't happen. The focus should be to establish a new government, new leadership so that both parties are happy.

 

Lets not forget in 1954 Crimea was given to Ukraine as a gift. Russians should have rights also that live there. Ukraine has allowed Russia to maintain a sea port in Crimea.

I'll try to explain this in a different way.

 

Lets say your an American, do you like America? Do you love America? Do you love American people? Do you love your people?

 

So your saying if millions of Americans were living in a different country, their government was overthrown and the people that overthrow the government are now threatening the lives of the Americans that are living in that foreign country, are you telling America will just seat back watch this happen without sending peace keepers to protect the Americans?

 

Russia doesn't want a civil war to break out between Russian speaking population and Ukrainians in Ukraine. This will not happen while the Russian military is in place to keep things calm until the government of Ukraine resolves their issues and creates a stable government leadership.

Ok then, I will explain in a different way, too.

 

First of all, all the Russians in Ukraine and elsewhere in former soviet republics were put there by Stalin to change the population balance, after deporting and killing millions in labor camps across the USSR. The Crimea was populated by Tatars since their invasions in the middle ages, they have been there for 700 years until they were deported en masse by Stalin in 1944 (there were almost no tatars left there, they only started to return in the 80's and 90s), and repopulated the peninsula with Russians. So to whom exactly does the Crimea belong? They already had a high degree of autonomy.

 

It's the same in Moldova, Baltic countries, central Asia etc. Stalin was a ruthless psycho but he wasn't stupid, this way the Russians would always have leverage there. There is a big Russian community in London too, does that give Putin authority to invade the UK?

 

Second of all, those "fascist, right wing extremists" the Russians are talking about are in fact people who want to their country to join the EU and live in a democratic, free, progressive and prosperous environment not in the bordeline dictatorship that was imposed on them by the now deposed president. Let us not forget, for the past years he has granted himself more and more powers, stiffled dissent, restricted press freedoms, jailed and harassed the oppositon and enriched himself and his clique at the expense of the general population. Basically the Ukrainian president was emulating Putin, the ukrainians did not accept that. People have a right to protest their government and not get shot at in the streets as it happened in Ukraine. If the Ukrainians believe that they are better off getting closer to the EU and eventually joining it's their prerogative, it's not for Putin to decide. The only reason he is doing what he is doing, is because HE CAN, and all he's been doing lately has been to defy everyone. Putin had enough leverage in the Ukraine to avoid a military incursion, but he didn't want to avoid it, he is sending a strong message to all former soviet states that getting too close to the west may be detrimental to them. Just as he did with Georgia in 2008.

 

Not one incident of attacks or harassment of the Russians in Ukraine has been reported or publicized since the political turmoil in the Ukraine began, because it was never about the Russians, it was about the direction of the country and the mindset of the leadership. So what is this? Putin invaded the Ukraine to prevent that eventuality?

 

And last but not least, if the Russians in Ukraine feel more attached to Russia why are they still in the Ukraine?

 

The sad reality is this, even if you like it or not: Russia, since the beginning of the 20th century has become the most sinister force of history to ever exist on this planet. Almost 100 years of communism has permanently damaged the collective psyche of that nation. They no longer have any concept of human dignity, the "Russian style democracy" that Putin keeps blabbing about is no democracy, it is in fact a very ugly dictatorship wrapped in a very thin veneer of democracy. Sadly most Russians aren't able to see it for what it is. Just because the Russians are resigned to their fate of a bleak and pessimistic future doesn't mean they have a right to impose it on others.

 

You can criticize western media all you want, but at least they are allowed to express their opinions, which is not the case in Russia. Show me one Russian media outlet that isn't a mouthpiece for the Kremlin.

 

Russia and the Russian people deserve a whole lot better than Putin and his KGB buddies.

Yes I did criticize western media and all media around the world including Russian, Ukrainian, Canadian, Japanese, every country appears to have a one sided view. The problem is that most people are followers and are easily brainwashed.

I don't know about Russian media.. it seems to be giving "what is happening" news.

 

When I look at CNN, it's big letters of scare tactics to really make Russia look bad.

 

Every single day.

 

 

 

I'd like to ask someone who KNOWS what he's talking about. How many countries are truly worse off after accepting IMF money?

 

 

For example media is saying that the Russian troops came from Russia into Ukraine to invade. But the Russian troops came from within Crimea from it's Russian black sea military base in Crimea to keep peace. There is a lease on the base that expires in the year 2042. Russia keeps about 16k to 25k military personnel at different times.

Western Media is nothing but propaganda. They live in lalala land promoting this idea that the Ukraine is going to join the EU. They are bashing Russia, because Russia is the new enemy. They hate gays after all and Ukraine is going to become part of the EU and will become a queer utopia right next to to big bad Russia.

 

Only problem is the Deputy Prime Minister is a Svoboda member. The Svoboda founder is the Director of National Security. The Deputy Director of National Security is Right Sector founder.

Western Media is nothing but propaganda. They live in lalala land promoting this idea that the Ukraine is going to join the EU. They are bashing Russia, because Russia is the new enemy. They hate gays after all and Ukraine is going to become part of the EU and will become a queer utopia right next to to big bad Russia.

 

Only problem is the Deputy Prime Minister is a Svoboda member. The Svoboda founder is the Director of National Security. The Deputy Director of National Security is Right Sector founder.

Yes and Russian media is the gold the standard of journalism today. Aside from your completely unnecessary homophobic take on things, you have added absolutely nothing to the discussion. If they want to become a queer utopia, it's their right to do so!

Western Media is nothing but propaganda. They live in lalala land promoting this idea that the Ukraine is going to join the EU. They are bashing Russia, because Russia is the new enemy. They hate gays after all and Ukraine is going to become part of the EU and will become a queer utopia right next to to big bad Russia.

 

Only problem is the Deputy Prime Minister is a Svoboda member. The Svoboda founder is the Director of National Security. The Deputy Director of National Security is Right Sector founder.

http://www.lambopower.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=65106

Divide and Conquer

What if for a change everyone is left alone to deal with their own garbage? Let Ukraine deal with Russia, they put their big boy pants on I expect them to handle their own affairs.

 

Ukraine doesn't have the capability unto itself to handle Russia. Russia is a bully. Also the world is so intertwined that everyone can't just mind their own business. Ignoring Russia on this or handling them badly also will have ramifications, such as causing our other European allies to cave more to Russian demands and go against the West, and you can bet China is taking lots of notes on this. What happens if/when they decide to make a play for some of the territory that they have been claiming is theirs, such as the Japanese islands or Taiwan?

 

Remember, the U.S. in 1994 got Ukraine to give up their nuclear arsenal in exchange for the promise that the U.S. would protect them. This has turned out to be baseless however. Taiwan is supposedly protected by the U.S. as well. I am betting that that will prove to be baseless in many ways too. It is understandable that a military option can't be used regarding Ukraine, but if the Russians knew they were dealing with an America with a reputation not to be trifled with, that will do everything it can to make Russia bleed, the Chinese and the rest of the world would take notice and proceed more cautiously and IMO so would the Russians.

I do not buy that Putin cares at all about protecting Russians in Ukraine because he doesn't care about Russians in Russia. If he did, he'd work to create a truly free country with free institutions, like a free press, real elections, market economy, etc...instead if people protest him, they get locked up. All media critical of him are shut down.

Lavrov said Russia could not order pro-Russian armed groups in Crimea to return to their bases because they are Ukrainian "self-defense" forces which do not answer to Moscow.

 

"If you mean the self-defense units created by residents of Crimea, we give them no orders, they take no orders from us," he told the news conference shown live on Russian state television.

 

"As for the military personnel of the Black Sea Fleet, they are in their deployment sites," Lavrov said, referring to a Russian naval unit based in Crimea. "Yes, additional vigilance measures were taken to safeguard the sites.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-crisis...-crimea-lavrov/

Ukraine’s statement at the UN that ‘16,000 Russian soldiers had been deployed’ across Crimea sparked a MSM feeding frenzy that steadfastly ignored any hard facts that got in their way.

 

Especially unwelcome is the fact that the so-called ‘invasion force’ has been there for 15 years already.

 

The media many trust described in hysterical tones how the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was under a full-scale Russian invasion with headlines like: “Ukraine says Russia sent 16,000 troops to Crimea”, “Ukraine crisis deepens as Russia sends more troops into Crimea,” as well as “What can Obama do about Russia's invasion of Crimea?”.

 

Facts, and ardent statements by top Russian diplomats were totally ignored by the western ‘war press’.

 

Russian UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin pointed to the longstanding 25,000 troop allowance while FM Sergey Lavrov stressed the Russian military “strictly executes the agreements which stipulate the Russian fleet’s presence in Ukraine, and follows the stance and claims coming from the legitimate authority in Ukraine and in this case the legitimate authority of the Autonomous Republic Crimea as well.”

 

The Russian navy is allowed up to

 

- 25,000 troops,

 

- 24 artillery systems with a caliber smaller than 100 mm,

 

- 132 armored vehicles, and

 

- 22 military planes, on Crimean territory.

 

http://rt.com/news/russian-troops-crimea-ukraine-816/

Russia, West agree Ukraine should stick to EU-brokered peace deal

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Moscow and Western powers agreed that the Ukrainian government and opposition need to stick to the EU-brokered peace deal after meeting U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, Russian news agencies reported on Wednesday.

 

Speaking to media after talks with Kerry in Paris, Lavrov said the two sides agreed to join efforts to help Ukraine to reach the agreement signed in Kiev on Feb. 21.

 

Since the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovich, Russia has accused Ukraine's new leaders of violating the deal.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/05/u...N0M24HF20140305

I don't know about Russian media.. it seems to be giving "what is happening" news.

 

When I look at CNN, it's big letters of scare tactics to really make Russia look bad.

 

Every single day.

 

 

 

WTF.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ukraine’s statement at the UN that ‘16,000 Russian soldiers had been deployed’ across Crimea sparked a MSM feeding frenzy that steadfastly ignored any hard facts that got in their way.

 

Especially unwelcome is the fact that the so-called ‘invasion force’ has been there for 15 years already.

The so called 'invasion force' has been there for far longer, wherever Russians get a foothold they never leave, see Transnistria in Moldova. They've been there since WW2 and are still there today, ostensibly to keep the peace, after deporting the native population and replacing it with Russians, but that's a whole other story. Let's ignore it for now.

 

And another thing that puzzles me, if everything Putin is doing is perfectly ok, and all this is just a storm in a teacup created by the biased and sensationalist western media, why did he feel the need to first use covert troops when taking over Crimea? Since it was perfectly alright for him to do so, he had no reason whatsoever to hide. He did it just in case this situation backfired on him somehow, giving him the option to immediately disavow what happened and blame it on some "western conspiracy" to slander him or Russia or on the right wing extremists he seems to see in anyone who doesn't want to follow his line of thinking. On the first day no one could confirm they were in fact Russian military because they wore no markings whatsoever, everyone described them as Russian speaking masked gunmen carrying RPGs and assault rifles.

 

Also I'm curious to see any sort of confirmation of attacks or any kind of harassment directed at the Russians in Ukraine, because that's the main reason Putin did this in first place right? To protect his compatriots in the Ukraine....

 

Let's talk about the agreement made in 1994 between the US, UK, Ukraine and Russia in which the Ukraine gave its nuclear arsenal to Russia in exchange for security and the protection of its territorial integrity. Russia, UK and US guaranteed this, Russia now broke the deal by effectively taking over Crimea.

 

I'm also curious if the Russian printing presses are again working at full capacity making passports as they did in 2008 for the oppressed Russians in Georgia. If that's the case, I'd short some Russian stocks.

 

Have you ever followed what Russian diplomats do at the UN? Because to me it seems their job lately is to religiously veto every proposal made by any western country.

American media is blowing this up because the republicans don't want to make any pentagon budget cuts, this story will help a lot with this case to either keep military budget the same or maybe even increase the budget.

American media is blowing this up because the republicans don't want to make any pentagon budget cuts, this story will help a lot with this case to either keep military budget the same or maybe even increase the budget.

What about European media then? They're in on it too I suppose? Those Republicans must have an awful lot of friends...