Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Since one of my favorite delis (Jasons Deli) is right around the corner from the accident scene, I decided this would be a good place for lunch. Later I went and took some pics and did some Lpower investigation for myself. But here is some info. #1. If they were racing from the light BEFORE the crash, meaning the prior street light to the accident scene, on my mile counter, it is 6/10s of a mile long. Using Bluemax's 1/4 mile time, means that he could have easily been traveling over 120mph. #2. If they raced from a roll from say 45-50mph then obviously even higher speeds could have been achieved. In these pics you can see the direction they were coming from, and I took the picture directly from where the point of impact would have been as evidenced by the thrid picture still showing broken glass in the road, directly at the beginning of the intersection. Watching the street, it also became pretty clear, that if you caught the far light at precisely the RIGHT time, there was no traffic on the street at all due to the far intersection being hardly traveled. If there were to have been racing, this would of lended itself well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcabron Report post Posted December 31, 2007 you took the pictures looking south and standing at Eastwood. Is this right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Now approx 40ft from the intersection, is the site of what looks to be a newly planted flower, which from my recolection is also where the deceased was lying in the road. Take notice of the skidmarks, which by my calculations, I wear a size 12, extended over 170ft from the point of where impact would have been on the corner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 you took the pictures looking south and standing at Eastwood. Is this right? The ones above your post...yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcabron Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Allan, are the skid marks after the Eastwood intersection? If thats the case, either the ABS prevented the skids, or they didnt hard brake until after the collision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Now traveling further, approx 200ft from point of impact, is where the Mustang came to a stop rolled over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Allan, are the skid marks after the Eastwood intersection? If thats the case, either the ABS prevented the skids, or they didnt hard brake until after the collision. Yes, this was another point I was going to make, there are no skidmarks prior to the impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcabron Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Me thinks they were traveling in excess of what has been reported. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Also, I do not know if those marks are from the Benz or the Mustang, I tend to think the they are from the Benz because from what I remember the Benz was stopped in the middle lane BUT this would contradict the medias assessment of the Benz coming to a rest 75 ft from point of impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Here is the view from the Mini Cooper as if we were heading in the direction Bluemax would have been heading. We were going 60mph, and my Moms immidiete comment was that no way were they going only 70mph. Even if the guy turned directly, i mean directly in front of them, they would of had a hard time causing this. In this pic you can see what the view of the road would have been to them, had they started racing at the previous light to impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcabron Report post Posted December 31, 2007 nice work Allan to show what the road looks like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Look at how empty the road is when the lights change at the point they could have raced from.This first picture illustrates me, standing at point of impact. Now imagin how much speed could be gathered from the farthest point back. This same scene is available at every light change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Some burned down trees and bushes from point of impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterShake Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Were these photos taken at a time similar to the accident? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Were these photos taken at a time similar to the accident? Yes. Today after lunch. Crash was around 12:45. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aedmon640 Report post Posted December 31, 2007 good pics allan. I didn't realize those skid marks where so long, and that the mustang went that far. They were definitely cookin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phxdiablo Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Nice work Allan ... looks like they were hauling ass and the old guy misjudged the cars approaching ... I'm sure the old guy pulled out of that side-street dozens of times and had a normalized perception of approaching cars (normally going 45-55mph) ... these guys were probably around 100 if not more which is why there is no reaction time prior to impact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Looking at this pic, the Benz came to rest Approx 175ft from point of where impact would have been. Nowhere near the 75ft the media claimed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterShake Report post Posted December 31, 2007 My legal experience is limited but I would think that if similar photos were presented in court then someone is in big trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Report post Posted December 31, 2007 The over/under just went to 15. 1 hour ago- http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsd...cing0102ON.html Two drivers suspected of killing a former state legislator in a three-car crash were racing at speeds of more than 100 mph in a 45 mph zone, according to witness statements contained in a court document. Put a fork in them.... Theyre done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcabron Report post Posted December 31, 2007 thats a long way to roll after hitting the brakes and hitting a car. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted December 31, 2007 I believe I have solved the case for all involved. Forensic investigation is my specialty. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcabron Report post Posted December 31, 2007 speeds of excess of 100 mph. fcuking CRAZY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovik Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Put a fork in them.... Theyre done. 1 hour ago- http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsd...cing0102ON.html Damn... yup its done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aedmon640 Report post Posted December 31, 2007 1 hour ago- http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsd...cing0102ON.html Nowhere near the 75ft the media claimed. So thats where the 75ft came from....... Its how far the victim was THROWN from the car. Terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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