Hello ALL and Why all the hatred against Ferrari

Another Lambo in the 11's:

Motor Trend- Diablo 6.0= 11.8

 

And again, please dont try to put yourself on SP's level, they wouldnt let you check tire presures in their cars.

Another Lambo in the 11's:

Motor Trend- Diablo 6.0= 11.8

 

And again, please dont try to put yourself on SP's level, they wouldnt let you check tire presures in their cars.

 

Oh my !

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I know more about Lambo's mechanical systems than probobly anyone on this board.

Rather arrogant and presumptuous aren't you!

 

Did you see what I wrote right after that sentence? I doubt many of you guys have taken apart your Lambo's farther than I have take the 99 apart. I wasn't aiming that line that I know more about the Lambo's mechanical system than most of the guys here in a bad way. I just didn't think most older established and obviously super successful guys who own Lambo's will go changing their own clutches or ripping half the top end apart. I didn't mean it in any type of aggresive way here. I called noone here a "technical moron". I also didn't say I know more than EVERYONE, I said MOST and it's a valid statement. I even wrote that obviously any Lambo tech will school me in working on Lambo's, but that's besides the point. I am at the top of my game here in the North East and many poeple come to me and my buisisness for special needs.

 

Rob, I didn't ignore your post, I forget to reply to it because I wrote so much. I feel privilaged to go for a ride in your 360 and get to meet you, it would make my week, or month. We just have to wait for this damn snow to go away. Like I said, I have driven my friends Stradalle, but being in the pressance of another 360 again will only make me even that much more comfortable in the car, and make my blood boil to get an exotic already. Since you are close and it's important for me to earn Allan's respect, maybee you'd like to see a few cars Iv'e put together and report back. I seriously doubt that anyone here in this area would want to TT their Lambo, but ti's worth a try. And I still love the way most Lambo's and Ferrari''s look. That's why I'll have one in a year or so.

 

Limey, thanks for the explanation on the test they put the 430 through. I will gladly retract that statement I made about 430's wacking Lambo's. I have no issue with that. It is unfortunate the magazines do that shit, but how was I suppost to know. It's also partially my fault because I guess I saw the worst times in the magazines about the Lambo's and saw the times for that 430 going downhill. Just from this thread, my perspective on Ferrari vs. Lambo has changed almost 180 degrees.

 

I am really not trying to be arrogant at all in my posts. I am very humble in person and you guys obviously misunderstood me. I am a top level racing/fabrication/auto tech and the only reason I said I am more mechanically adept in working in a Lambo is that reason. If all of you do what I do all day long, day in and day out, I'd swallow my words and this would be the last message board I'd ever need post in. There would be no need to go elseware. I am sorry if I offended anyone, but I guess I was misunderstood. There's no need for all the "owned" pics. And like i said before, having older rich guys as friends makes me smarter which is good.

-"To the first part - Car and Driver ran the 430 DOWNHILL to get those times - seriously. And a Murci runs faster than 12.1 @ 118MPH."

 

Why do you say Car and Driver ran the car downhill? They even said in that article that they asked Road and Track and they got similar numbers. They were also in disbeleif till they called their sister magaizine.

 

 

-"To the second part - "the exhaust tone of a Diablo got boring" - are you kidding? The sound of a V-12 is the most incredible exhaust note."

 

Truthfully, I did get a little bored with the same exhaust note in the Diablo. I never said I didn't like it or that it sounded bad, but it got a little boring on a 3 hour trip on the highway. Like I also said in my original post, "Driving a twin T61 DBB Supra with twin Tial 46mm bandclamp wastegates and twin Tial BOV's through a 4 inch Ti exhaust spoils me a little." The sound of a huge single spooling and holding ful boost with an open atmosphere wastegate is pretty involved. Have any of you guys gone for a ride in a well prepped 700+rwhp Supra? I have actually soarced a Supra for the guy that owned the Stradalle after I took him for a ride in a 850rwhp widebody car. Ripping the rear 345-30-19 tires loose at 80mph in 3rd gear got him thinking and I found him a pristine 98 Quicksilver 6-spd. It's now at the shop undergoing a nice setup.

 

 

-"To the third part - no offense, but I don't know how many Owners are going to turn their cars over to a 23 year old for modding. Again, no offense, but at your age how much mechanical experience do you have with a Lambo? How much experience in general do you have with other cars, you have only been out of high school for what 5 years or so? I wouldn't let a 23 year old work on my Plastic mess-06. Not trying to flame you, but that's my opinion."

 

Actually Limey, the first time I ever met my customer who owns the Lambo he let me take it for a ride. I did feel amazing and is a stunning car to look at. It's a pearl yellow roadster MOMO edition with an Alpine TV face and Fikse 18 inch wheels with custom Lambo symbol center caps. This man also owns the 996 TT 6-spd I have driven and modifed for him, an 04 S55 AMG which I have also driven and modified for him. The man is worth millions and knows I am no punk 23 year old kid when it comes to buisisness. I never went to college and I have owned my buisisness since 20 and race car fabrication in my blood. I OWN the buisiness, I dont rent. From 17-20 I saved masive cash and worked an unhealthy amount to get what I want. I can almost gaurantee you there is 1 in 5000 23 year old that have accompliced and earned what I have in yes, 5 years out of high school. I have never lied once in my life and I dont really care to impress anyone. I have impressed myself and it makes me feel great to see you established older guys, try to mock me in disbeleif that I have seen, driven and own what I own at this early age.

 

Asking about my mechancal experience with a Lambo? I know more about Lambo's mechanical systems than probobly anyone on this board. Not a real Lambo tech of coarse. I did the clutch in his car, the valve cover gaskets which decided to leak with only 6000 miles on the car (this requires to reomve the entire fuel injection system and intake manifold), and all minor maintanence on the car. All without even a service manual. I'm sure I can dissassemble an entire Diablo and put it back together. Working on his Diablo was actually a lot simpler than working on many different cars. The owner has seen my shop once. Anytime his cars need anything I go pick them up and leave him my M3 in the driveway. I have built many HUGE HP cars from scratch and laugh at a lot of stuff I see on "mechanical auto TV shows". I can make damn near anything from metal, let alone fabing up piping to make a turbo header or intercoller piping fabrication. The only thing I have no experience with in the auto racing world is making roll cages ar chasis work. That's the only thing I dont have the space or tooling for.

 

 

Allan, I was just simply curious as to why you guys have the hatred toward Ferrari, I now understand why. I am not questioning your motives. Your opinion is what it is and I fully respect that. Why the hostitlity towards me? I know for a fact the Murcie and Gallardo dont run in the 11.7 @ 123 range. I dont think I ever saw a Lambo tested in the 11's, stock. But even if the 430 was a little slower than what they advertise, it will still walk away from the Lambo's. I'm not sure if you and Limey doubt the 430's publicated numbers becasue it's the Lambo adversary or if you really dont think it'll run that. I never said I tested one myself, but I dont see it being a lie. The numbers from the weight, HP, gearing, aerodynamics, etc all add up. Actually a 123 MPH is good for an even lower ET. I'm sure if the car can actually run a 123mph, that is someone put a set of TA/KD's on it, that time would drop even more. I have over 300 drag slips amd know a thing or two about performance. I'd actually be thrilled to see a Murcie/Gallardo/Diablo/360/430 go to the track. This spring, I'm sure I can talk my friend with the Lambo to go to the track with the car. I will be doing the driving though, he cant drive for shit.

 

 

-"Im willing to bet, youve never even sat in a Diablo. Dont come here trying to promote your shop, and as for Balls, my Diablo as at a real shop as we speak, getting ready to be twin turboed."

 

Like I said, I have never lied in my entire life including message boards. If you sit me in a Diablo right now and let me take it for a ride, I gaurantee not even the smallest of smiles hits my face. I sucked up the Lambo driving experience for a total of 6 hours. I have put more miles on that damn car than the owner did, I think. I was amazing, PERIOD. The only thing that bothered me on the trip was the huge blind spot and my left leg wasn't very comfortable after a long time driving it.

 

Wow, so I think you mentioned you deal with SP, I think that's where your car is. I would love to be in their shoes to be able to unleash my creativity to twin turbo that car. Put it this way, I could care less to promote my buisisness here to such a small audience, and would probobly offer your twin turbo setup at half the labor they are charging you, just for the experience, being the first one, and the exposure I'd get in the big picture. I am no amateur when it comes to building cars. When 18-21 year old college kids were getting wasted and high in their dorm's I was at the shop 14 hours a day building and gaining experience, sweating and bleeding. My doors are always packed and getting into my shop for even something simple will take you a few weeks unless you're a high end customer. There's no waiting for those people. Yes I would love to have more Lambo customers, but it has to start somewhere. Once you meet me and see my operation, you'll know I am no average 23 year old. And I just turned 23 on Feb 18. Please reread my obove post as if I'm not 23 if that makes you feel better Allan. I have great respect for you as you seen to be the leader here on the board that everyone else respects. I learned most of my tactics and buisisness skills from older guys who have been through it all and made their money. That's also one of the reasons I come to this board, very few of you are people I cant learn something from.

 

 

Thanks to everyone who is giving me their answer/opinon as to why you hate on ferrari's. I agree with some and disagree with others. Looking forward to having a good time on your boards, and hopefully put together some kind of gathering here in the North East when spring finnaly comes around to show off our cars.

 

Longest post I ever seen on a car forum.

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I know more about Lambo's mechanical systems than probobly anyone on this board.

Rather arrogant and presumptuous aren't you!

 

Did you see what I wrote right after that sentence? I doubt many of you guys have taken apart your Lambo's farther than I have take the 99 apart. I wasn't aiming that line that I know more about the Lambo's mechanical system than most of the guys here in a bad way. I just didn't think most older established and obviously super successful guys who own Lambo's will go changing their own clutches or ripping half the top end apart. I didn't mean it in any type of aggresive way here. I called noone here a "technical moron". I also didn't say I know more than EVERYONE, I said MOST and it's a valid statement. I even wrote that obviously any Lambo tech will school me in working on Lambo's, but that's besides the point. I am at the top of my game here in the North East and many poeple come to me and my buisisness for special needs.

 

Rob, I didn't ignore your post, I forget to reply to it because I wrote so much. I feel privilaged to go for a ride in your 360 and get to meet you, it would make my week, or month. We just have to wait for this damn snow to go away. Like I said, I have driven my friends Stradalle, but being in the pressance of another 360 again will only make me even that much more comfortable in the car, and make my blood boil to get an exotic already. Since you are close and it's important for me to earn Allan's respect, maybee you'd like to see a few cars Iv'e put together and report back. I seriously doubt that anyone here in this area would want to TT their Lambo, but ti's worth a try. And I still love the way most Lambo's and Ferrari''s look. That's why I'll have one in a year or so.

 

Limey, thanks for the explanation on the test they put the 430 through. I will gladly retract that statement I made about 430's wacking Lambo's. I have no issue with that. It is unfortunate the magazines do that shit, but how was I suppost to know. It's also partially my fault because I guess I saw the worst times in the magazines about the Lambo's and saw the times for that 430 going downhill. Just from this thread, my perspective on Ferrari vs. Lambo has changed almost 180 degrees.

 

I am really not trying to be arrogant at all in my posts. I am very humble in person and you guys obviously misunderstood me. I am a top level racing/fabrication/auto tech and the only reason I said I am more mechanically adept in working in a Lambo is that reason. If all of you do what I do all day long, day in and day out, I'd swallow my words and this would be the last message board I'd ever need post in. There would be no need to go elseware. I am sorry if I offended anyone, but I guess I was misunderstood. There's no need for all the "owned" pics. And like i said before, having older rich guys as friends makes me smarter which is good.

 

How can we get you to condense your posts??? :axe: :axe: :axe:

Sorry, I'll try.

John--->

 

 

 

~T~

bp95gsx,

 

You seem to constantly be telling us how "top level" you are, or how you are great at this, or great at that. If there is one thing that I have learned in business, it's this:

 

If you are good, you don't need to tell anyone about it. They will know it based on the expertise you have proven. And if they don't know how good you are now, they will find out soon enough.

 

I have found, more often than not, that if someone has to tell me how good they are, they probably aren't half as good as they should be. I'm not saying that this is case with you, just a rule of thumb that I have used in my career.

 

Don't tell us how good you are. Do an outstanding job at what you do, and word will get around. That is true professional humility, and it will payoff for you in the long run.

bp95 if you want into a 360 bring $115,000 I will gladly let this one go for that to get rid of it. I'll even pay for a tank of gas, detail, and delivery :mrgreen:

Clax, a very true statement. I try to never open my mouth unless someone tells me I cant check air pressure. hehe

 

Rob, I still obviously have loads of research to do. Cant buy yet. Financially, Im ready, mentally, not yet. Plus I'd like to wait till as close to 25 as possible. I want to buy a house and fully move out from my parents place before I make this purchase. That number is very attractive for a 360 though! What year, milleage, and trans is it?

 

One more question regarding my original topic. Do the majority of Ferrari owners acknowledge they are 2nd best?

John, I live in NJ, where is your shop? I only ask because a friend of mine owns DSMotorsports up by me in Northern NJ so I didnt know how close you were to him.

 

By the way, I am 22, and if ANY of you guys have an exotic youd be willing to give me a ride in, I would be more than willing to drive across NJ for a spin in a Lambo, Lotus or even a Ferrari. Im not ashamed to admit that I JUST got out of college, am working for the Department of Defense at an entry level (although still great paying) job during the day while trying to earn my MBA as fast as possible at night, and am still a complete rookie when it comes to Lambos (having NEVER been around them). They are of course though, my dream cars, and I would trade my modified ram-air LS1 Trans Am for the front rim of one in a heartbeat. Seriously, anyone who coudl would fulfil a dream of mine, until I am able to purchase one myself someday. :mrgreen:

 

Welcome to LP. :supz:

Not sure how far you are from me but if you get up to my neck of the woods this summer I'll take you for a spin in my Diablo.

Thanks alot bro! Id be overwhelmed honestly. They have been my dream cars since I was a little kid. The distance dosent matter to me so much, Im always up for a road trip with the tops off and for a Diablo id drive across a state. :mrgreen:

I own Broadway Performance. I deal with Nate at DSMotorsport all the time.

 

Lightning, it's awesome to see a 22 year old doing the right thing during college, working your ass off, and getting a sweet respectable job afterwards. I certainly cant stand seeing/talking/dealing with losers that barely graduate or drop out of college and work a dead end job or sleep all day. Congrats on starting your life earning some real cash and getting what you want. We have a great deal to learn from these real big dogs that post here.

 

I had a white 99' T/A 30th Anniversary 6-spd with the blue wheels and stripes with 12K miles! I put a blower on it and sold it. Torquey car!

Wow, I was going to read this thread, but i don't have time for a novel.

 

IMHO, I don't hate Ferrari, I have likes and dislikes though:

 

Likes:

1)Engineering - they've done great work in aerodynamics, materials, etc.

2)Formula 1 - same as above

3)Challenge Stradale - I'd love to have one someday, Rosso Scuderia with stripe.

 

Dislikes:

1)Formula 1 - they've killed the actual racing

2)Dealer Attitude - horrible. I don't know where to start

3)Design and Styling - totally incoherent on the new cars

4)Safety - it makes me sick seeing all the Ferrari's that have burned or disentigrated. Dan Snyder used to live down the street from me, so that wreck really put me off.

5)Image - their reliance on it means that substance of the cars can be lacking, but they sell because of the badge

Thanks Man, I appreciate the kind words. I listen way more then I will ever post on this site because there is ALOT i can learn from the guys around here and I look up to alot of the members of this site. Many of the guys on here have earned my respect with what they have accomplished and how they carry themselves when approached about their success. I am completely out of my league on this site and will openly admit that, but there are some great people around here and I have learned alot about Lambos and life since I started reading and joined here in the Fall.

 

For being 22, I feel as though Im doing pretty well right now. I work as a contract specialist for the Department of Defense and am making pretty decent money for my age (not "Lambo" money though! haha). As Im beginning to invest and working towards the end of my MBA program, hopefully that will change in the next few years. By the time I am ready to buy a Lambo, you had better believe I will have consulted MANY of the friendly guys on this site for advice on the purchase! :mrgreen:

 

Tell Nate when you talk to him that you know Mike G. with the red LS1 Trans Am from Island (his old paintball buddy), him and I go way back. :mrgreen:

life is too short to hate anything as trivial as a brand of car. Its also too short to be so serious about what ever brand you like most.

Yep I think, no expert here, but it's just banter. It's the same on Ferrari boards where they barrack Porsches or Lotus Elise guys joking about Vauxhall VX220s. I personally am a uni student and love fast cars, performance cars, sports cars anything with four wheels is cool by me!

I was lucky enough to ride in both a Ferrari 355 and Lambo Murci last year as well as a lot of TVRs, Porsche 911 X50 and other sports cars and I love them all!!

Having said that, if anyone could broaden my horizons with a ride in a Lambo, I am always happy to drive miles to see one

Asking about my mechancal experience with a Lambo? I know more about Lambo's mechanical systems than probobly anyone on this board. Not a real Lambo tech of coarse. I did the clutch in his car, the valve cover gaskets which decided to leak with only 6000 miles on the car (this requires to reomve the entire fuel injection system and intake manifold), and all minor maintanence on the car. All without even a service manual.

 

 

 

I'll take that challendge. Youve worked on one Diablo and now your an expert. I better warnthe boss man theres a new kid in town. You know its fine to have an opinion about different cars, but when you make a stuip ass statement like the one above, that just shows your ignorance.

I was wondering when you'd chime in Mike

I am just a little curious why some of you guys are always hating on Ferrari's

If you want a clear answer, some do because they have learnt it from someone else and want to look cool in his eyes etc or they don't have their own opinion. And some hate things they are jealous about.

Or some have brand experience and found it disappointing.

I want to be like Allan so he'll like me :roll:

This is the best post ever on lambo-power!!!!!!!

 

BTW........"

But that car will still get him pussy 9 out of 10 X more than I will in any of my cars if a girl had to choose regardless of our looks"

 

My lambo could be on fire and it gets more ass that any other car.

 

P. Diddy