Things are getting crazy in Kiev

ameer, first we need to find out who these troops are, they came from within Crimea. Are they from Russian military base? or Are they Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens that are being financially supported by Russia as a protective force for Crimea.

 

 

 

 

“No, absolutely not,” he responded when asked by Kremlin pool reporters if there were any Russian troops in Crimea outside their own bases.

Even though videos show troops in Crimea admitting they are Russian, despite wearing uniforms without any insignia, Shoigu echoed statements made Tuesday by Putin, who insisted the troops were exceptionally well-trained Crimean self-defense units.

“Of course, these are provocations,” Shoigu said, regarding the videos. When asked how Crimean self-defense troops could have come into possession of Russian Tiger and Lynx armored vehicles, he said he had no idea, the Interfax news agency reported.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe...60b9_story.html

What about European media then? They're in on it too I suppose? Those Republicans must have an awful lot of friends...

 

Worldwide media is believing everything the Ukrainian opposition leaders are saying, they are trying to create a war between Russia and the west, I think the west is catching on to this now. I'm sure Ukrainian opposition leaders want Russian military base removed from Crimea which is understandable.

 

Just like Japanese want the American military base removed from Japan.

ameer, first we need to find out who these troops are, they came from within Crimea. Are they from Russian military base? or Are they Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens that are being financially supported by Russia as a protective force for Crimea.

 

 

 

 

“No, absolutely not,” he responded when asked by Kremlin pool reporters if there were any Russian troops in Crimea outside their own bases.

Even though videos show troops in Crimea admitting they are Russian, despite wearing uniforms without any insignia, Shoigu echoed statements made Tuesday by Putin, who insisted the troops were exceptionally well-trained Crimean self-defense units.

“Of course, these are provocations,” Shoigu said, regarding the videos. When asked how Crimean self-defense troops could have come into possession of Russian Tiger and Lynx armored vehicles, he said he had no idea, the Interfax news agency reported.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe...60b9_story.html

 

Let's assume that Mr Shoigu and Mr Putin are both telling the truth. Does it make any sort of difference that the exceptionally well trained self defense units equipped with armored vehicles (of which neither Mr Shoigu nor Mr Putin knew of), wrested control of Crimea and not the Russians? If true, they still acted on Russian orders, makes no difference if they are mercenaries or Russian military, they answer to Putin. They took over a region in an independent and sovereign country, destabilized the region and the world economy on Putin's whim.

 

Needless to say your article says, they themselves admitted to being Russian so this really is a pointless conversation.

Worldwide media is believing everything the Ukrainian opposition leaders are saying, they are trying to create a war between Russia and the west, I think the west is catching on to this now. I'm sure Ukrainian opposition leaders want Russian military base removed from Crimea which is understandable.

 

Just like Japanese want the American military base removed from Japan.

Yes I'm sure the Ukranians are hell bent on starting a war that would mostly be fought on THEIR territory... Come on man...

 

This is nothing but thuggish behavior from a man that has too much power for his own good. This has happened time and time again in history and we have living examples of such people today. Angela Merkel said of Putin yesterday that he has lost touch with reality. His wet dreams of restoring Russia's glory are misguided. This isn't the way. Everyone knows he has this strange romantic view of the USSR, but it's just that, a strange and romantic view of an extinct dinosaur. Nothing more. Unfortunately, the rest of the world has to put up with his crap.

Yes I'm sure the Ukranians are hell bent on starting a war that would mostly be fought on THEIR territory... Come on man...

 

This is nothing but thuggish behaviour from a man that has too much power for his own good. This has happened time and time again in history and we have living examples of such people today. Angela Merkel said of Putin yesterday that he has lost touch with reality. His wet dreams of restoring Russia's glory are misguided. This isn't the way.

 

Ukraine’s statement at the UN that ‘16,000 Russian soldiers had been deployed’ across Crimea sparked a MSM feeding frenzy

Especially unwelcome is the fact that the so-called ‘invasion force’ has been there for 15 years already.

http://rt.com/news/russian-troops-crimea-ukraine-816/

 

Ukraine made a false statement without confirming any facts and the media ate it up without adding details.

 

restoring Russia's glory? lol, this has nothing to do with that.

His wet dreams of restoring Russia's glory are misguided.

 

Looks like that wet dream won't happen after all.

 

Ukraine has accepted to start direct talks with Moscow and to receive soon an international observers’ mission in the Eastern areas of the country and in Crimea. The decision was taken today in Paris, during a meeting between the U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, the Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom, William Hague, and the Acting Foreign Minister of Ukraine, Andriy Deshchytsia.

 

Ukraine’s foreign minister said on Wednesday he wanted to press for a peaceful solution to the conflict with Russia as Russian Foreign Minister, Lavrov, said “Russia doesn’t want a bloodshed in Ukraine”.

 

http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/05/live-up...iles-in-crimea/

 

Russia, West agree Ukraine should stick to EU-brokered peace deal

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Moscow and Western powers agreed that the Ukrainian government and opposition need to stick to the EU-brokered peace deal after meeting U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, Russian news agencies reported on Wednesday.

 

Speaking to media after talks with Kerry in Paris, Lavrov said the two sides agreed to join efforts to help Ukraine to reach the agreement signed in Kiev on Feb. 21.

 

Since the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovich, Russia has accused Ukraine's new leaders of violating the deal.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/05/u...N0M24HF20140305

restoring Russia's glory? lol, this has nothing to do with that.

Yes it does. Projecting Russian power around the world has everything to do with it. Russia has and will always have a lot of leverage in former Soviet states such as the Ukraine, because of the longstanding cultural, economic and historic ties, what he's done was completely unnecessary. Taking over Crimea, sends a strong message to all former soviet states, just as the 2008 war with Georgia did. Get too close to the west, we'll bomb you or cut a slice that we like from your country etc.

 

There is somewhat of a vacuum at the moment on the international stage, the EU is utterly incapable of taking a stand on anything, the USA has the weakest leadership it has ever had, Putin isn't stupid, he's taking advantage. However, he's also paranoid, he thinks the West is his enemy. He despises the west, in fact he has gone to great lengths lately to show his disdain in many different ways. Well in a way it is, because most people in the West would like to see a properly free and democratic Russia. Russia should be an ally not an enemy. There is no room for Putin and his ex-KGB buddies in that picture though. I also think he despises Obama, Putin has humiliated him every chance he had.

Looks like that wet dream won't happen after all.

 

Ukraine has accepted to start direct talks with Moscow and to receive soon an international observers’ mission in the Eastern areas of the country and in Crimea. The decision was taken today in Paris, during a meeting between the U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, the Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom, William Hague, and the Acting Foreign Minister of Ukraine, Andriy Deshchytsia.

Hopefully it will all end well for everyone involved.

Hopefully it will all end well for everyone involved.

 

Yes I hope so too.

 

Do some research about the Georgian and Russian conflict of 2008.

 

UN court rejects Georgia case against Russia over war

In September 2009 an EU-sponsored report said both sides had violated international law. It found that Georgia had attacked the Russian-backed South Ossetian rebels, triggering the war, after months of provocation.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-12935149

 

Georgia's shameful attack on South Ossetia

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew...y#axzz2v7qc9IhB

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgia...ing_of_7_August

People remember almost all of these news are everything betveen opinionated to rumors and straight propaganda.

 

Every country which even floats the idea of having to be involved in a way or another to war has quickly a propaganda going on...

Yes Russians are just following the American method. Both super powers are major bullies. Both sides have alot of propaganda going into this. Imo Putin will get what he wants. It's Russia's backyard and he doesn't want the EU/US getting any closer. Ukraine's only strategic point to Americans is it's distance from Russia otherwise the country is pretty much worth nothing. I doubt the EU will even let them in with the insane amount of corruption going on in they're society.

Yes Russians are just following the American method. Both super powers are major bullies. Both sides have alot of propaganda going into this. Imo Putin will get what he wants. It's Russia's backyard and he doesn't want the EU/US getting any closer. Ukraine's only strategic point to Americans is it's distance from Russia otherwise the country is pretty much worth nothing. I doubt the EU will even let them in with the insane amount of corruption going on in they're society.

 

Who does the U.S. bully in your view? There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia.

To answer your question wheels

 

Iraq

Afghanistan

Libya

 

How has US actions there and those are only a few differed from Russian actions?

To answer your question wheels

 

Iraq

Afghanistan

Libya

 

How has US actions there and those are only a few differed from Russian actions?

 

You have to be kidding.

To answer your question wheels

 

Iraq

Afghanistan

Libya

 

How has US actions there and those are only a few differed from Russian actions?

 

Iraq was not about gaining control of a country for strategic, economic, or imperial purposes, so huge difference. Nor was Afghanistan, a country that after the 1980s the U.S. wanted absolutely nothing to do with. 9/11 forced the U.S. back in to go after the terrorists. Libya was about stopping an oppressive dictator, and again, not about obtaining natural resources or anything imperialistic. The U.S. also seeks to implement, if it can, liberal democracies in such countries and then let them rule themselves. Russia seeks no such action.

 

Russia went into Georgia to intimidate other former Soviet bloc countries and installed a puppet government there. It now has gone into Crimea because the people threw the puppet government out. Historically, Crimea has been a part of Russia, but then it had lost it. Crimea has something Russia has desired going all the way back to Peter the Great, which is a warm water port. And Ukraine overall has strategic benefits for Russia. It also is again a way to intimidate former Soviet countries. Russia has no interest in respecting human rights or freedoms in these countries.

I think the polite response here is maybe indulge more in non-US news sources. Your stand point on anything foreign is that America can do no wrong.

I think you are way off point on the reasons USA has been involved in these recent conflicts but you are entitled to your view.

 

 

I think the polite response here is maybe indulge more in non-US news sources. Your stand point on anything foreign is that America can do no wrong.

I think you are way off point on the reasons USA has been involved in these recent conflicts but you are entitled to your view.

Always funny when cliches turn out validated.

I'm just going to go ahead and put this here.

 

 

While a bit hyperbolic in nature, it's more truth than opinion.

Always funny when cliches turn out validated.

 

 

I'm just going to go ahead and put this here.

 

 

While a bit hyperbolic in nature, it's more truth than opinion.

 

I'm just going to go ahead and put this here.

 

 

While a bit hyperbolic in nature, it's more truth than opinion.

 

That's cool. Please send all the foreign aid back. Oh and NATO and the UN can go F them selves since they are primarily supported financially by the US.

Iraq was not about gaining control of a country for strategic, economic, or imperial purposes, so huge difference. Nor was Afghanistan, a country that after the 1980s the U.S. wanted absolutely nothing to do with. 9/11 forced the U.S. back in to go after the terrorists. Libya was about stopping an oppressive dictator, and again, not about obtaining natural resources or anything imperialistic. The U.S. also seeks to implement, if it can, liberal democracies in such countries and then let them rule themselves. Russia seeks no such action.

 

Russia went into Georgia to intimidate other former Soviet bloc countries and installed a puppet government there. It now has gone into Crimea because the people threw the puppet government out. Historically, Crimea has been a part of Russia, but then it had lost it. Crimea has something Russia has desired going all the way back to Peter the Great, which is a warm water port. And Ukraine overall has strategic benefits for Russia. It also is again a way to intimidate former Soviet countries. Russia has no interest in respecting human rights or freedoms in these countries.

 

People that think we went in to Iraq for oil or because Bush has daddy issues are off their rocker. Don't forget the fact that the Brits gave us faulty intel onn the WMDs in Iraq that drove us and the Brits in there to render them a non-threat.

 

When we didn't find the WMDs should we have gotten out? YES! You have me there....no reason for the US to still be there as I don't believe in exporting democracy.

 

Afghanistan....we went in to find UBL and those that protected him. If you didn't like it then get out of the way or get run over. Once we rendered the Taliban incapable of hiding UBL we should have left and AFTER we found UBL we should have left for sure. Once again I don't believe in exporting democracy.

 

 

As for this global view that America views herself as the world police maybe the world should stop viewing America as the world's bank for financing their country, the world's charity when they have a natural disaster, the world's doctor when they get sick and the world's whipping boy when they get jealous of our prosperity.

 

Finally as for Russia being a superpower....HAHA. Military power sure...superpower you have to be kidding.

You have to be kidding.

Nope.

 

And your other post. Nope.

Nope.

 

And your other post. Nope.

 

That's cool. You are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong.

This just in. Fox News is not world news. It is also not a fox. And not news.

 

@capt

That's cool. Please send all the foreign aid back.

Yeah like foreign aid has no ulterior motives and is just a product of generosity....