Lefties trying to ban "AR15 Ammo"

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150213/ba...mmon-ar-15-ammo

 

I pray to God that nothing happens with this. I'm not surprised to read about it, though.

Nothing will happen. If the word gets out there will be hoarding and price gouging.

Nothing will happen. If the word gets out there will be hoarding and price gouging.

 

I believe nothing will happen either, but then again, nobody thought the Machine Gun ban of 86 for happen and now we don't have fun switches. Looks like a time to stock up on ammo for range time before prices go to shit.

Nothing will happen. If the word gets out there will be hoarding and price gouging.

 

What makes you think nothing will happen? This is the ATF acting, not some Democrat introducing a piece of legislation that has zero chance of passing.

There's a comments email box set up. Dead line is March 16th.

 

[email protected]

 

Fax: (202) 648-9741.

 

Mail:

Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs

and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue,

NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

There's a comments email box set up. Dead line is March 16th.

 

[email protected]

 

Fax: (202) 648-9741.

 

Mail:

Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs

and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue,

NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

 

 

Wheels is right.

How could they ban a round?

How could they ban a round?

 

 

Read the atf statement.

 

 

PREVIOUS EXEMPTIONS

As explained above, in 1986, ATF held that 5.56mm projectiles in SS109 and M855 cartridges were exempt. Further, in 1992, ATF held that 30-06 M2AP cartridges were also exempt. In each case, ATF found that, “it is well documented” that the respective ammunition “has been recognized as being suitable for target shooting with rifles due to its accuracy.” Id. These cartridges were originally produced for the military and were only later adopted by civilians for sporting purposes. When assembled into a complete cartridge, the projectiles were exempt, but ATF did not exempt the projectiles before the cartridges were assembled.

Applying the sporting purposes framework set-forth above, the 5.56mm projectile that ATF exempted in 1986 does not qualify for an exemption because that projectile when loaded into SS109 and M855 cartridges may be used in a handgun other than a single-shot handgun. Specifically, 5.56mm projectiles loaded into the SS109 and M855 cartridges are commonly used. Framework for Deciding Sporting Purpose Ammunition pursuant to 18 USC 921(a)(17)

in both “AR-type” rifles and “AR-type” handguns. The AR platform is the semi-automatic version of the M16 machinegun originally designed for and used by the military. The AR-based handguns and rifles utilize the same magazines and share identical receivers. These AR-type handguns were not commercially available when the armor piercing ammunition exemption was granted in 1986. To ensure consistency, upon final implementation of the sporting purpose framework outlined above, ATF must withdraw the exemptions for 5.56 mm “green tip” ammunition, including both the SS109 and M855 cartridges.7

ATF recognizes that this ammunition is widely available to the public. Because it is legally permissible to possess armor piercing ammunition under current law, withdrawing the exemption will not place individuals in criminal possession of armor piercing ammunition. However, with few exceptions, manufacturers will be unable to produce such armor piercing ammunition, importers will be unable to import such ammunition, and manufacturers and importers will be prohibited from selling or distributing the ammunition.8 ATF is specifically soliciting comments on how it can best implement withdrawal of this exemption while minimizing disruption to the ammunition and firearm industry and maximizing officer safety.

It doesn't say anything about .223 though

The AR platform is the semi-automatic version of the M16 machinegun originally designed for and used by the military.

 

I may be mistaken, but I think the ATF has it backwards here. The AR-15 came first, as a scaled-down version of the AR-10 battle rifle. The M-16 is an assault rifle version of the AR-15 that was created for the military.

 

Real tired of all this nonsense about "sporting purposes." Also this shows how a seemingly "reasonable" piece of gun control legislation (bans on armor-piercing pistol rounds) can come back to bite us in the rear. Interestingly, there were some people who said that now with gun manufacturers making pistol-variant versions of rifles such as the AR-15, that the ATF might try to ban AR-15 ammunition by claiming that since there are pistols that can fire it now, that it constitutes being an armor-piercing form of pistol ammunition. Such people were derided as paranoid, yet here we see it happening.

It doesn't say anything about .223 though

 

.223 = 5.56

 

 

 

It's just the green tip m855/ss109 and not all 5.56 ammo. Still crap but not a surprise. They changed the rules on the sig brace too.

.223 = 5.56

Ahh ok wasn't sure. I thought they would say .223 lol

It's just the green tip m855/ss109 and not all 5.56 ammo. Still crap but not a surprise. They changed the rules on the sig brace too.

 

IMO, Sig brace isn't as big a deal as banning a commonly-used ammunition of one of the most popular firearms in use right now. It's like an indirect way to try to begin banning the AR.

This is a done deal...ATF is GOING to ban it. The simplest way to say this is "no armor piercing hand gun rounds"....now that the AR-15 pistols are so popular and Sig poked the ATF in the eye with the sig brace the ATF found a way to get back at us.

 

 

Prices are already up 10% today alone on it and most places are running out of stock.

So we will be fine to get standard .223/5.56, itll just be armor piercing rounds that we cant get?

So we will be fine to get standard .223/5.56, itll just be armor piercing rounds that we cant get?

 

 

ALL 223 rounds will slice through body armour like a hot knife through butter.

So pretty much everyone with any variation of an AR15 is screwed?

So pretty much everyone with any variation of an AR15 is screwed?

 

No more green tip xm855. That's the deal.

So we will be fine to get standard .223/5.56, itll just be armor piercing rounds that we cant get?

 

"Armor-piercing" is one of those terms that gets thrown around by gun-control proponents without anyone bothering to define just what it means. For example, is it in reference to ammunition that can pierce body armor or ammunition say that could punch through an armored car? All rifle ammunition will penetrate the standard types of body armor worn by law enforcement, but not all pistol rounds will. There was a law passed that outlawed the sale, manufacture, etc...of such armor-piercing pistol ammunition. However the law also says that such ammunition is considered pistol ammunition if a pistol fires it, and subject to regulation by the ATF.

 

Since companies have been producing lots of AR-15 pistols that fire .223/5.56, the ATF is saying that this type of ammunition is now pistol ammunition and thus can be banned as a result. It is arbitrary nonsense, because as Romandad has pointed out, all rifle ammunition will punch through such body armor. However it is written into the law.

 

IMO, it is a textbook example of how a seemingly "reasonable-sounding" gun control law can come back to bite gun rights in the rearend. Some people might be fine with the law on the surface, assuming that since most gun violence happens with hand guns, that a ban on such armor-piercing pistol ammunition will help protect police officers, while at the same time not doing anything to stop citizens from being able to fight a tyranny because they would use rifles in such a situation.

"Armor-piercing" is one of those terms that gets thrown around by gun-control proponents without anyone bothering to define just what it means. For example, is it in reference to ammunition that can pierce body armor or ammunition say that could punch through an armored car? All rifle ammunition will penetrate the standard types of body armor worn by law enforcement, but not all pistol rounds will. There was a law passed that outlawed the sale, manufacture, etc...of such armor-piercing pistol ammunition. However the law also says that such ammunition is considered pistol ammunition if a pistol fires it, and subject to regulation by the ATF.

 

Since companies have been producing lots of AR-15 pistols that fire .223/5.56, the ATF is saying that this type of ammunition is now pistol ammunition and thus can be banned as a result. It is arbitrary nonsense, because as Romandad has pointed out, all rifle ammunition will punch through such body armor. However it is written into the law.

 

IMO, it is a textbook example of how a seemingly "reasonable-sounding" gun control law can come back to bite gun rights in the rearend. Some people might be fine with the law on the surface, assuming that since most gun violence happens with hand guns, that a ban on such armor-piercing pistol ammunition will help protect police officers, while at the same time not doing anything to stop citizens from being able to fight a tyranny because they would use rifles in such a situation.

 

 

And of course, the better question is: Has an AR15 Pistol, EVER BEEN USED IN A CRIME?

 

Probably not as they are 1. still very rare, and 2. VERY BIG. These arent "Concealable Guns" like a glock loaded with silicon coated bullets, which is what the law was designed to prevent. No criminal is going to use a $1500 gun with an OAL of like 25 inches to rob a liquor store, when a $150 street gun will do the same job and you can hide it in your pocket. Too much trouble.

Newb here: What is green tipped ammo?

And of course, the better question is: Has an AR15 Pistol, EVER BEEN USED IN A CRIME?

 

Probably not as they are 1. still very rare, and 2. VERY BIG. These arent "Concealable Guns" like a glock loaded with silicon coated bullets, which is what the law was designed to prevent. No criminal is going to use a $1500 gun with an OAL of like 25 inches to rob a liquor store, when a $150 street gun will do the same job and you can hide it in your pocket. Too much trouble.

 

Unfortunately incorrect. Cali (God help us all) had a home invasion/shooting and the perps were using an AR-15 pistol with a sig brace.

 

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/01/f...equipped-ar-15/

Newb here: What is green tipped ammo?

 

XM855 AKA Green Tip AKA Light Armor Piercing AKA LAP

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745m...TO#SS109.2FM855

Newb here: What is green tipped ammo?

 

 

NATO M855. It was the standard bullet for the military. All military ammo from bullets to bombs are color coded on the tip to tell you WTF it is. The M855 has a green tip to differentiate it from tracer which has a reddish orange tip or blanks which are purple. So its called "green tip" ammo. You can buy M855 cheap (relatively) because theyve switched to M855A1 (silver tip) and are getting rid of the remaining stockpiles (billions of rounds) M855.