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exitr

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  1. Really nice paint! To be fair though, 500 CAD is 380 USD. That's around the average asking price for most 17 SV coupes in the US. Still, gorgeous color!
  2. I agree, that "kettle" spring contraption is quite nifty. It is likely unnecessary and an over-engineered solution, but I'll gladly file that under 'Cool'. One thing I liked hearing is that they want to move away from large fixed aerodynamic components. I think this is very important going forward because there really is very little indication that you need such components on a road car that is well engineered. The Senna is simply goofy in my eyes. Yes it's functional, but it's too much. There are a lot of extremely high performant cars that are beyond Lamborghini while still being sleek, refined, and at times understated. The 720S and 488 Pista are both near the peak of modern exotic performance in series production and still rather reserved. I'd like to see Lamborghini get models like the standard Aventador and Huracan to perform like the Performante and SV. This should be possible. I really do like the Huracan Evo's refesh and I'd love to find out it's a Performante in a tux.
  3. Those weight claims are dubious, in my opinion. An SF90 is lighter than a ThethetheFerrari? Sure, a V12 isn't exactly light and battery technology has improved, but the ThethetheFerrari is complete composite construction with fixed seats and in general a very sparse interior. The ThethetheFerrari battery capacity is more than 3x less than the SF90 with 2.3 kWh to 7.9 kWh. Batteries have improved, but have they improved so much as to negate the additional capacity? I could imagine that other power electronics have improved as well and have less weight in wiring. I don't know the weights of the V12 vs the V8, but I find it unlikely that the SF90 could weigh anything near the ThethetheFerrari, and especially not 30 lbs less with 3x the kWh. I do not know what an SVJ weighs, but the Aventador is notoriously heavy and a standard Aventador is already a carbon monocoque and carbon body panels, I believe. So if the weight savings cannot come from the body or chassis, it would have to come from less amenities like leather, stereo, glass, maybe some lighter wheels. It's difficult to imagine an SVJ is much less than 3800 lbs. I cannot imagine it being anywhere near 3500 pounds when you consider what other cars are probably around that weight. It's unfortunate that so few magazines actually weigh the cars. The weights provided by manufacturers rarely can be relied upon due to no formal standard of measurement and the lengths they go to in order to appear light. Even McLaren, a company who has nothing to be ashamed of with regards to weight, has done things like including the removal of air conditioning. And to be frank, a car without air conditioning is not a complete car.
  4. Rolls is owned by BMW, but yes, you are correct about the Urus in my opinion. Bugatti did not lose $6 million on every Veyron. That is purely headlines for the media based on what is very likely not indicative of GAAP. Veyron margins were very healthy and the Chiron even more so. I'm sure they were technically in the red initially due to capex and R&D, but that red started getting blacker and blacker with each one sold. Add in intangible assets like IP and it looked blacker yet. The Chiron and it's various high-dollar variants are very far from the clean sheet design and investment required to make the Veyron. That initial investment is now paying dividends just like any business does after start-up costs with long-term business plans. The margins in overall dollar terms are probably mouthwatering. We generally know how expensive it is to actually manufacture cars. The manufacturing cost of a Veyron was not $5 million dollars.
  5. Lamborghini seems to be becoming a caricature of itself. These designs are so over the top that it's as if they come from a futuristic Ridge Racer-like video game who couldn't get the license to Lamborghini and had to make a knock-off. Thankfully this style hasn't found it's way into the series production models, but it doesn't give me high hopes for them either. It's closer to a really high-end tuner than it is bespoke coach building. It's what Mansory might produce if they knew they had the sales power of OEM. $3 million for another excessive bodykit and likely the cheapest and least developed hybrid solution that they could come up with in time to milk the model late-cycle. AM is offering the Valkyrie and Mercedes the One for this price. Ferrari is offering 1000 hp, less weight, and likely much better performance for $500,000. It seems like Winklemann's old antics are still paying dividends even though he has left and taken the multi-million dollar bodykit business model to Bugatti. And if this is the hybrid route Lamborghini is actually taking, then I fear they will be dead in the water when it finally becomes series production. The Aventador needs a complete clean sheet design if it is to be even remotely competitive. Too heavy, outdated gearbox, weak electric augmentation. 800 hp is what you should get out of the petrol engine alone, not the combined system and not with the weight of the Aventador to push.
  6. exitr

    SVJ63 roadster?

    These cars look like a mess. Is there any evidence even 25% of those vanes, inlets, and diffusers are functional? It has more "aero" attachments than a GTE Pro car yet is likely much lower performance than a Pista that doesn't even have a real spoiler... At probably $600,000+, I just see no value at all. I'd take a clean, original Aventador coupe over these any day, and twice on Sunday. 2012 Aventador is still one of the best exotic designs of the last few decades and it's about $400,000 less than this.
  7. No idea how you lost $70,000 in 18 months on a 12C or 650S unless you significantly overpaid. Poor residuals is not the reality anymore. That happened with the 12C and 650S, but nothing since. The 720S is 2 years old now in the US and they are still $260,000+ for most. I've been browsing for a while now and the prices have been consistently firm relative to the segment. You only lose excessive on a new McLaren nowadays if you go overboard on spec. There is no difference in residual between a $380,000 car and a $330,000 car, but there is also no real difference between the cars either. Comes down purely to personal taste. Launch car 570S are $80-100,000 under sticker 4 years later. Launch car 720S are $70-80,000 under sticker 2 years later. This is no different than any exotic in their respective price range. Performantes and Aventadors are not really any better. Barely used Performantes are $50,000-60,000 under MSRP. Aventadors can be $100,000 under MSRP for even the "limited" SV models.
  8. What a terrible deal... A 4 year lease with mileage restriction that locks you into a car for 4 years that offers no real savings over purchasing the car outright as far as I can tell. Leased exotics are for people with A) more money than sense, and B) idiots. I have never seen a lease deal on an exotic car that was better than just buying outright, especially if you're buying used (and you should buy used because you can't spec a leased car anyway). A used 600LT is $250,000 already. I assure you that car won't be $130,000 in 4 years given that 4 year old, much cheaper used 570S are still more than $130,000...
  9. I don't see too much of an issue with them looking so similar. They have significantly different price points, significantly different performance, and none will be available at the same time. Valkyrie is long since sold out. 003 will sell out next, and then a year or two later Vanquish will be available for all. They are very different in compromise too. Valkyrie is borderline not a road car, definitely not an everyday affair. 003 is a bit more usable, though still very much only a weekender that the wife will likely not enjoy and seems to have barely any storage. Vanquish is the daily just like a Huracan or 720S. Similar appearances don't matter so long as they are all good looking. I believe every 488 owner would be more than happy to have a 700 hp TT v8, aluminum ThethetheFerrari for $300,000. Likewise, I believe every 911 Turbo buyer wouldn't mind having TT flat 6, aluminum 918 car for $300,000. The thing about halo car design is that, generally speaking, there is nothing that expensive about most of the designs. The designs reflect the selling price, not necessarily the cost of building. You could build a ThethetheFerrari or P1 or 918 out of aluminum. They'd look identical and just weigh more. This is what Aston is doing. They are taking million dollar designs and just adjusting the cost of the components underneath the paint. I think it's going to be a smashing success and change the way exotics are designed and sold. You aren't going to be able to sell a Huracan or 488 if Aston Martin is selling hypercar designs for the same price.
  10. I really like what I see. These designs seem very far ahead of the competition. Compare the "aero" on the SVJ to these. White one is called RB-003 (a toned down Valkyrie) and the green one is the new Vanquish, which will be a normal exotic similar to Ferrari/McLaren/Lamborghini. The Valkyrie was much out of my price range, and RB-003 will probably be too, but Vanquish should be around $300K. Vanquish looks incredible and is probably the most usable for a road car of the three anyway.
  11. exitr

    Aventador SV-J roadster

    Love the color, but in general I hate the car. I don't understand the need for all the over-the-top vents, diffusers, wings, etc. It has more stuff tacked on that a real GT3 car. 800 cars is a lot, especially at these prices. Too much competition. Big premium to pay just for an NA engine.
  12. exitr

    Salomondrin.....

    IANAL, but what exactly would his case be here? His car burned down and he was made financially whole by his insurance, and maybe more so if he had insured the premium. He has no claims that I'm aware of. You must show damages in court and anxiety from a car catching on fire won't pass the sniff test as far as I know. He safely got out of the fire and even started to record a video of it for the Internet. It would be like suing Boeing because a plane had a malfunction and now you're scare to fly. The reality is, in my opinion, that his channel is a financial failure. It really doesn't get that many views and he definitely loses a lot of money on his cars. His viewership is one that requires him to spend a lot of money on cars and he no doubt loses a fortune on many of them. I'm guessing he no longer wants to pay his friends to do it anymore either. Or he's just doing it for some sensational views. Unless we see someone else driving around in his cars, then he probably didn't even sell them. I highly doubt he has any standing to sue McLaren for anything. He also bought the car used, thus he isn't the first owner and cannot Lemon Law it. In fact, I believe this would almost certainly ruin any claims he could make against McLaren. For all they know, the previous owner screwed with it.
  13. I don't believe Aperta's are anywhere near $450,000. They are over $600,000 still in the US. That said, he seems to drive his cars a lot so he will be in for a rude awakening regarding depreciation on Ferraris. They do hold their value very well as LE cars, but most also barely have any mileage. His car will likely be worth a lot less if he puts 10-15K miles on it.
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