So what happens when its time for tires?

Looking around I found they are michelin pax in special sizes, but are they ordered from the lamborghini dealer? How does one go about finding these tires, and what happens should damage happen to one of them. Im sure the vehicle down time is bothersome to say the least. I was speaking with one owner who said they are on track to lasting just 6000 miles!

Uk owner has just posted on a uk site to say his first service cost 13k sterling. He also needed tyres which cost......£6.5k each for rears and £5.5k for fronts. So that it £24k on rubber as he needed all 4 replacing. He also said that when new the tyres had 7mm of tread depth. The new replacements have a mere 5mm, so he will be back even sooner.....i find it astonishing!

One of the Veyron's finer points that doesn't get talked about much.

 

The tires really are obscene, and are recommended by the factory to operate for less than 15 minutes at the car's top speed (or risk a blowout due to temp).

 

I wonder how much a standard Formula 1 race tire costs right now, I would bet money it's LESS than the Veyron's Michelins.

Yeah, that price is absolutely obscene. Im guessing it only costs that much because that size of tire is only made for the veyron and they really dont need to make that many?! Arent they like 375 or 385 series in the rear?

I don't know but what's with all the bashing on the Veyron service/maintenance costs lately? This "car" is above and beyond the definition of the genre and is more akin to aircraft maintenance.

 

It is $$$$$, no doubt about it but anyone who can fork out over a 1M Euro for something that is fundamentally a toy needs not to and certainly will not worry the slightest bit on its maintenance costs.

I don't know but what's with all the bashing on the Veyron service/maintenance costs lately? This "car" is above and beyond the definition of the genre and is more akin to aircraft maintenance.

 

It is $$$$$, no doubt about it but anyone who can fork out over a 1M Euro for something that is fundamentally a toy needs not to and certainly will not worry the slightest bit on its maintenance costs.

 

Arrrrgh

 

Whilst I agree with everything else you say the fact is that in hypothetically speaking covering 10k miles could cost you nearly a 10th of the purchase price of your car you would be slightly concerned. That is before you have paid for other servicing, fuel, Depreciation...

The guy in Indiana that was on the TV special (I forget his name) said said he got a nail in one and had to replace all 4 and it cost him $28k US.

Arrrrgh

 

Whilst I agree with everything else you say the fact is that in hypothetically speaking covering 10k miles could cost you nearly a 10th of the purchase price of your car you would be slightly concerned. That is before you have paid for other servicing, fuel, Depreciation...

 

Yes, agreed and point taken. Well, accordingly VAG loses on every car that was sold, right? I guess they want/need to minimize their loss. Sort of reminds me of ink-jet printers --- the printer itself is basically sold at cost but they get you back with all the ink cartridges.

They lose money on Veyron's? I know oftentimes Flagship cars are built and sold at a loss to attract customsers to the brand and R&D to develop a safe/warrantyable car of the Veyron's stature was quite hefty especially considering the very small production volume, it's hard to fathom not pulling profit on a 2 million dollar car.

They lose money on Veyron's? I know oftentimes Flagship cars are built and sold at a loss to attract customsers to the brand and R&D to develop a safe/warrantyable car of the Veyron's stature was quite hefty especially considering the very small production volume, it's hard to fathom not pulling profit on a 2 million dollar car.

 

 

R&D costs were mammoth. So much so that the little Chateau renovation where they are made was seen as a relative grain of sand. Stories about that for the original production run they were going to lose several million each car, now the forecast production run has been extended the loss could be less.

R&D costs were mammoth. So much so that the little Chateau renovation where they are made was seen as a relative grain of sand. Stories about that for the original production run they were going to lose several million each car, now the forecast production run has been extended the loss could be less.

 

 

I'm sure the Gran Sport is helping recovery. What a car!

They loose massive on each car. They said that with the total production run of Veyron cars that they would NEVER see ROI. This is just a feather in Audi's cap, a halo car of sorts. Just to showcase what they are capable of doing. As for the tires, they are just shy of 30k for the set. You have to think about the technology that goes into that tire, for it to be able to sustain that speed for any period of time. Hell, if you go up to top speed, they want you to bring the car in to have the CV joints replaced/repacked as they fear the grease has gone right out of them.

The guy in Indiana that was on the TV special (I forget his name) said said he got a nail in one and had to replace all 4 and it cost him $28k US.

 

Tim Durham, sick collection of cars that guy has. He drives the shit out of his veyron. My buddy in Indy sees him in it fairly often...

Yes, he even cracked the front CF splitter in the front going into his driveway I heard. Saw it and almost cried.

 

At least they still make parts/tires for this car. Imagine what it's like to maintain an XJ220!

Oh his driveway has a nasty bump at the end. When we showed up there, Dan was following Rick's gallardo in his Diablo 6.0 and dan just bounced the front off that driveway, it was aweful sounding. Alot of Tim's "driven" cars had scrapes on the front....

2012: Ben Buys Bugatti Veryon for $380k. I cant wait!

2012: Ben Buys Bugatti Veryon for $380k. I cant wait!

Some times dreams become not true

 

The thing about this car, over every other car on the planet, is that initially it is only ever bought by the hyper-rich or lotto winners.

 

The hyper-rich don't care about the cost, (analagous to running a helicopter is probably about right), & the lotto winners will most-likely move the car on for the next shiny thing that grabs their attention.

 

With the franky horrendous costs associated with the car, will it ever realistically appeal to those who long to own an exotic, but have to wait for a 10-year old car, (be it Lamborghini, Ferrari, etc.), or even longer? With respect, I don't mean those of you who have worked hard to afford your much-loved single or multiple exotics, I mean those of us with normal lives & jobs who love exotics. I know one day, I'll have a Lamborghini; I am 99% sure I'll never have a Veyron.

 

If you wait, say, 10 years for a Gallardo, for argument's sake, then you'd be getting a car that you couldn't afford when it was new/or the equivalent now, but if careful with the running costs & mileage, you could most-likely run it on an affordable budget; I have no experience in this, but having read a whole load of stuff on this forum over the years, that's the impression I get.

 

2012: Ben Buys Bugatti Veryon for $380k. I cant wait!

Back to the Veyron, so the previous maybe 2 or 3 owners will have taken the biggest hit on depreciation, but imagine having just enough cash to buy the car & find you can't then drive it because it needs new tyres & a service which are the equivalent of a third to a half a year's wages, (not saying this is you, Ben; you could be wedged to the eyeballs for all I know). You can't move it on, because it needs to have money spent on it which many people would either just buy another car with or spend the money on something else. It is, to such people, a White Elephant, albeit a technically advanced one. Such people would not buy this car.

 

I'm sure VCR's right; it 's a Gillette thing when it comes to the Veyron, but it's long-term value as a source of income to VW & the tyre companies through "consumables" & servicing is limited to those who buy & run the cars, more than any other marque.

 

There are always going to be hyper-rich people & lotto winners, but will they always want a Veyron?

 

 

 

There are always going to be hyper-rich people & lotto winners, but will they always want a Veyron?

They will want (or keep) there Veyron as long as there is no NEW Supercar on the market.

 

Question is, when will Bugatti release the successor of the Veyron or what kind of specifications will the Enzo successor have?

 

They will want (or keep) there Veyron as long as there is no NEW Supercar on the market.

 

Question is, when will Bugatti release the successor of the Veyron or what kind of specifications will the Enzo successor have?

 

Not true as can be seen in the UK market for Veyron's. Currently if you have the cash available you have a huge choice in Veyron’s that are cluttering up various showrooms around the country. Many have not moved for over a year, many with less than 100 miles on the clock. Tom Hartley one of the most well respected high end dealers in the UK has said that if you bought a super sport today you would lose £500k as soon as you drove it out of the showroom.

 

As a second hand buy the Veyron is a dead end unless you were in the market for a new one but were sensible enough to wait for the cars to appear second hand. By waiting you would not have been hit by the near 50% depreciation in the first year. With no aftermarket or specialist service providers available you are stuck with dealing with the factory and the huge costs that come with that arrangement. And don’t expect an aftermarket ever to appear as the sheer complexity of the car would make it uneconomic to tool up for. Let’s not forget that even Bugatti loose huge amounts on each car.

 

So who will be in the market for one of these in 8 - 10 years time, I suspect no one as the costs of ownership will just be too high. And for how long will VW continue to support what is clearly a vanity project that is unlikely to ever show a profit?

 

 

If anyone hasn't seen the making of the Veyron this is the part on tires. (Skip to 4:15)

 

 

30 seconds for a standard tire, 1 hour for a Veyron tire!

Not true as can be seen in the UK market for Veyron's. Currently if you have the cash available you have a huge choice in Veyron’s that are cluttering up various showrooms around the country. Many have not moved for over a year, many with less than 100 miles on the clock. Tom Hartley one of the most well respected high end dealers in the UK has said that if you bought a super sport today you would lose £500k as soon as you drove it out of the showroom.

 

As a second hand buy the Veyron is a dead end unless you were in the market for a new one but were sensible enough to wait for the cars to appear second hand. By waiting you would not have been hit by the near 50% depreciation in the first year. With no aftermarket or specialist service providers available you are stuck with dealing with the factory and the huge costs that come with that arrangement. And don’t expect an aftermarket ever to appear as the sheer complexity of the car would make it uneconomic to tool up for. Let’s not forget that even Bugatti loose huge amounts on each car.

 

So who will be in the market for one of these in 8 - 10 years time, I suspect no one as the costs of ownership will just be too high. And for how long will VW continue to support what is clearly a vanity project that is unlikely to ever show a profit?

What means "huge" in numbers? 10? Well, compared to the 300 coupes and 50 Grand Sports sold till now not really that huge in my opinion.

 

I doubt that Tom Hartley has said this, because, as you mentioned, he is well respected and a respected person would not say such things, even if there is definitely a high depreciation in the first years.

 

Aftermarket: That is why companies like ADV.1 step in and provide wheels where you can use tires at a reasonable price, in relation to the performance.

 

VW knew already from day one, that this project would not generate any profit. Would it have been better to spend the money in Formula 1?

 

Guys with Lambos will be in the market for one of these cars in the coming years.

 

Every thing you wrote could have been said as well for the MC Laren F1, just with a different outcome...

 

Looking around I found they are michelin pax in special sizes, but are they ordered from the lamborghini dealer? How does one go about finding these tires, and what happens should damage happen to one of them. Im sure the vehicle down time is bothersome to say the least. I was speaking with one owner who said they are on track to lasting just 6000 miles!

 

What happens is you sell your 996 Turbo Porsche, or Lotus Elise / Exige, and you get another set. Wonder if they take trade in's?

Can you put any other tires on it? Like for instance, if I had one and knew that I would not be doing 250mph, could you just put any old normal tires and be fine?

Can you put any other tires on it? Like for instance, if I had one and knew that I would not be doing 250mph, could you just put any old normal tires and be fine?

 

Not if you'll be doing 250 mph for an extended period of time.