bijanmaleki Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Looking around I found they are michelin pax in special sizes, but are they ordered from the lamborghini dealer? How does one go about finding these tires, and what happens should damage happen to one of them. Im sure the vehicle down time is bothersome to say the least. I was speaking with one owner who said they are on track to lasting just 6000 miles! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
328Matt Report post Posted June 23, 2009 Uk owner has just posted on a uk site to say his first service cost 13k sterling. He also needed tyres which cost......£6.5k each for rears and £5.5k for fronts. So that it £24k on rubber as he needed all 4 replacing. He also said that when new the tyres had 7mm of tread depth. The new replacements have a mere 5mm, so he will be back even sooner.....i find it astonishing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Report post Posted June 23, 2009 One of the Veyron's finer points that doesn't get talked about much. The tires really are obscene, and are recommended by the factory to operate for less than 15 minutes at the car's top speed (or risk a blowout due to temp). I wonder how much a standard Formula 1 race tire costs right now, I would bet money it's LESS than the Veyron's Michelins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin2772 Report post Posted June 23, 2009 Yeah, that price is absolutely obscene. Im guessing it only costs that much because that size of tire is only made for the veyron and they really dont need to make that many?! Arent they like 375 or 385 series in the rear? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR Report post Posted June 24, 2009 I don't know but what's with all the bashing on the Veyron service/maintenance costs lately? This "car" is above and beyond the definition of the genre and is more akin to aircraft maintenance. It is $$$$$, no doubt about it but anyone who can fork out over a 1M Euro for something that is fundamentally a toy needs not to and certainly will not worry the slightest bit on its maintenance costs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_chaos Report post Posted June 24, 2009 I don't know but what's with all the bashing on the Veyron service/maintenance costs lately? This "car" is above and beyond the definition of the genre and is more akin to aircraft maintenance. It is $$$$$, no doubt about it but anyone who can fork out over a 1M Euro for something that is fundamentally a toy needs not to and certainly will not worry the slightest bit on its maintenance costs. Arrrrgh Whilst I agree with everything else you say the fact is that in hypothetically speaking covering 10k miles could cost you nearly a 10th of the purchase price of your car you would be slightly concerned. That is before you have paid for other servicing, fuel, Depreciation... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assman Report post Posted June 24, 2009 The guy in Indiana that was on the TV special (I forget his name) said said he got a nail in one and had to replace all 4 and it cost him $28k US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR Report post Posted June 24, 2009 Arrrrgh Whilst I agree with everything else you say the fact is that in hypothetically speaking covering 10k miles could cost you nearly a 10th of the purchase price of your car you would be slightly concerned. That is before you have paid for other servicing, fuel, Depreciation... Yes, agreed and point taken. Well, accordingly VAG loses on every car that was sold, right? I guess they want/need to minimize their loss. Sort of reminds me of ink-jet printers --- the printer itself is basically sold at cost but they get you back with all the ink cartridges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assman Report post Posted June 24, 2009 They lose money on Veyron's? I know oftentimes Flagship cars are built and sold at a loss to attract customsers to the brand and R&D to develop a safe/warrantyable car of the Veyron's stature was quite hefty especially considering the very small production volume, it's hard to fathom not pulling profit on a 2 million dollar car. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_chaos Report post Posted June 24, 2009 They lose money on Veyron's? I know oftentimes Flagship cars are built and sold at a loss to attract customsers to the brand and R&D to develop a safe/warrantyable car of the Veyron's stature was quite hefty especially considering the very small production volume, it's hard to fathom not pulling profit on a 2 million dollar car. R&D costs were mammoth. So much so that the little Chateau renovation where they are made was seen as a relative grain of sand. Stories about that for the original production run they were going to lose several million each car, now the forecast production run has been extended the loss could be less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assman Report post Posted June 24, 2009 R&D costs were mammoth. So much so that the little Chateau renovation where they are made was seen as a relative grain of sand. Stories about that for the original production run they were going to lose several million each car, now the forecast production run has been extended the loss could be less. I'm sure the Gran Sport is helping recovery. What a car! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rouleur Report post Posted June 25, 2009 They loose massive on each car. They said that with the total production run of Veyron cars that they would NEVER see ROI. This is just a feather in Audi's cap, a halo car of sorts. Just to showcase what they are capable of doing. As for the tires, they are just shy of 30k for the set. You have to think about the technology that goes into that tire, for it to be able to sustain that speed for any period of time. Hell, if you go up to top speed, they want you to bring the car in to have the CV joints replaced/repacked as they fear the grease has gone right out of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin2772 Report post Posted June 25, 2009 The guy in Indiana that was on the TV special (I forget his name) said said he got a nail in one and had to replace all 4 and it cost him $28k US. Tim Durham, sick collection of cars that guy has. He drives the shit out of his veyron. My buddy in Indy sees him in it fairly often... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFilipinoStig Report post Posted June 26, 2009 Yes, he even cracked the front CF splitter in the front going into his driveway I heard. Saw it and almost cried. At least they still make parts/tires for this car. Imagine what it's like to maintain an XJ220! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin2772 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Oh his driveway has a nasty bump at the end. When we showed up there, Dan was following Rick's gallardo in his Diablo 6.0 and dan just bounced the front off that driveway, it was aweful sounding. Alot of Tim's "driven" cars had scrapes on the front.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben Report post Posted June 29, 2009 2012: Ben Buys Bugatti Veryon for $380k. I cant wait! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murci147 Report post Posted February 18, 2012 2012: Ben Buys Bugatti Veryon for $380k. I cant wait! Some times dreams become not true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRXLoon Report post Posted February 18, 2012 The thing about this car, over every other car on the planet, is that initially it is only ever bought by the hyper-rich or lotto winners. The hyper-rich don't care about the cost, (analagous to running a helicopter is probably about right), & the lotto winners will most-likely move the car on for the next shiny thing that grabs their attention. With the franky horrendous costs associated with the car, will it ever realistically appeal to those who long to own an exotic, but have to wait for a 10-year old car, (be it Lamborghini, Ferrari, etc.), or even longer? With respect, I don't mean those of you who have worked hard to afford your much-loved single or multiple exotics, I mean those of us with normal lives & jobs who love exotics. I know one day, I'll have a Lamborghini; I am 99% sure I'll never have a Veyron. If you wait, say, 10 years for a Gallardo, for argument's sake, then you'd be getting a car that you couldn't afford when it was new/or the equivalent now, but if careful with the running costs & mileage, you could most-likely run it on an affordable budget; I have no experience in this, but having read a whole load of stuff on this forum over the years, that's the impression I get. 2012: Ben Buys Bugatti Veryon for $380k. I cant wait! Back to the Veyron, so the previous maybe 2 or 3 owners will have taken the biggest hit on depreciation, but imagine having just enough cash to buy the car & find you can't then drive it because it needs new tyres & a service which are the equivalent of a third to a half a year's wages, (not saying this is you, Ben; you could be wedged to the eyeballs for all I know). You can't move it on, because it needs to have money spent on it which many people would either just buy another car with or spend the money on something else. It is, to such people, a White Elephant, albeit a technically advanced one. Such people would not buy this car. I'm sure VCR's right; it 's a Gillette thing when it comes to the Veyron, but it's long-term value as a source of income to VW & the tyre companies through "consumables" & servicing is limited to those who buy & run the cars, more than any other marque. There are always going to be hyper-rich people & lotto winners, but will they always want a Veyron? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murci147 Report post Posted February 19, 2012 There are always going to be hyper-rich people & lotto winners, but will they always want a Veyron? They will want (or keep) there Veyron as long as there is no NEW Supercar on the market. Question is, when will Bugatti release the successor of the Veyron or what kind of specifications will the Enzo successor have? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streetrod454 Report post Posted March 4, 2012 They will want (or keep) there Veyron as long as there is no NEW Supercar on the market. Question is, when will Bugatti release the successor of the Veyron or what kind of specifications will the Enzo successor have? Not true as can be seen in the UK market for Veyron's. Currently if you have the cash available you have a huge choice in Veyron’s that are cluttering up various showrooms around the country. Many have not moved for over a year, many with less than 100 miles on the clock. Tom Hartley one of the most well respected high end dealers in the UK has said that if you bought a super sport today you would lose £500k as soon as you drove it out of the showroom. As a second hand buy the Veyron is a dead end unless you were in the market for a new one but were sensible enough to wait for the cars to appear second hand. By waiting you would not have been hit by the near 50% depreciation in the first year. With no aftermarket or specialist service providers available you are stuck with dealing with the factory and the huge costs that come with that arrangement. And don’t expect an aftermarket ever to appear as the sheer complexity of the car would make it uneconomic to tool up for. Let’s not forget that even Bugatti loose huge amounts on each car. So who will be in the market for one of these in 8 - 10 years time, I suspect no one as the costs of ownership will just be too high. And for how long will VW continue to support what is clearly a vanity project that is unlikely to ever show a profit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimson Report post Posted March 4, 2012 If anyone hasn't seen the making of the Veyron this is the part on tires. (Skip to 4:15) 30 seconds for a standard tire, 1 hour for a Veyron tire! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murci147 Report post Posted March 7, 2012 Not true as can be seen in the UK market for Veyron's. Currently if you have the cash available you have a huge choice in Veyron’s that are cluttering up various showrooms around the country. Many have not moved for over a year, many with less than 100 miles on the clock. Tom Hartley one of the most well respected high end dealers in the UK has said that if you bought a super sport today you would lose £500k as soon as you drove it out of the showroom. As a second hand buy the Veyron is a dead end unless you were in the market for a new one but were sensible enough to wait for the cars to appear second hand. By waiting you would not have been hit by the near 50% depreciation in the first year. With no aftermarket or specialist service providers available you are stuck with dealing with the factory and the huge costs that come with that arrangement. And don’t expect an aftermarket ever to appear as the sheer complexity of the car would make it uneconomic to tool up for. Let’s not forget that even Bugatti loose huge amounts on each car. So who will be in the market for one of these in 8 - 10 years time, I suspect no one as the costs of ownership will just be too high. And for how long will VW continue to support what is clearly a vanity project that is unlikely to ever show a profit? What means "huge" in numbers? 10? Well, compared to the 300 coupes and 50 Grand Sports sold till now not really that huge in my opinion. I doubt that Tom Hartley has said this, because, as you mentioned, he is well respected and a respected person would not say such things, even if there is definitely a high depreciation in the first years. Aftermarket: That is why companies like ADV.1 step in and provide wheels where you can use tires at a reasonable price, in relation to the performance. VW knew already from day one, that this project would not generate any profit. Would it have been better to spend the money in Formula 1? Guys with Lambos will be in the market for one of these cars in the coming years. Every thing you wrote could have been said as well for the MC Laren F1, just with a different outcome... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyrae Report post Posted May 21, 2012 Looking around I found they are michelin pax in special sizes, but are they ordered from the lamborghini dealer? How does one go about finding these tires, and what happens should damage happen to one of them. Im sure the vehicle down time is bothersome to say the least. I was speaking with one owner who said they are on track to lasting just 6000 miles! What happens is you sell your 996 Turbo Porsche, or Lotus Elise / Exige, and you get another set. Wonder if they take trade in's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHaynes772 Report post Posted May 25, 2012 Can you put any other tires on it? Like for instance, if I had one and knew that I would not be doing 250mph, could you just put any old normal tires and be fine? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asscelerator Report post Posted May 26, 2012 Can you put any other tires on it? Like for instance, if I had one and knew that I would not be doing 250mph, could you just put any old normal tires and be fine? Not if you'll be doing 250 mph for an extended period of time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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