Mako Report post Posted February 10, 2011 Not sure about the other base cars, but the R8 ditches the magnetic suspension for the GT model. I'm pretty sure racing/sports suspension are actually better for all out performance. Then again, road cars are meant for roads, so... yeah. I thought about that but chalked it up to several factors (not the least of which is marketing, can't have a hardcore model that costs a TON more than a base V8 model riding on the same system) but it's a valid point. But as you said, you're not going to see any LP700s lined up at LeMans, or any other race series for that matter, so it's intention is clear. I think the GTO has proven the point that it's possible to match the best of the traditional setups in race mode while offering comfort flexibility on the street that they can't match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted February 11, 2011 how much does the MC Laren cost in the USA? here in italy its price is 261000 euro (347 K $), 70000 euro (93 k $) more than a F458. LP 700 price is 310000 euro (412 K $): too small difference, the LP700 has a big V12 and a better look I think we will see very few MP4 12/c here in Italy. ciao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickSimmons Report post Posted February 11, 2011 how much does the MC Laren cost in the USA? here in italy its price is 261000 euro (347 K $), 70000 euro (93 k $) more than a F458. LP 700 price is 310000 euro (412 K $): too small difference, the LP700 has a big V12 and a better look I think we will see very few MP4 12/c here in Italy. ciao Weird pricing in Italy. Maybe I'll load up on cars and head their to unload them. IIRC, the email I got from Lake Forest said base for the McLaren was $229K. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyvatvol15 Report post Posted February 11, 2011 Geneva 2011 – Lamborghini makes no compromises in the engineering and construction of its new flagship’s all-carbon fiber monocoque • Monocoque forms a single shell in carbon fiber • Built entirely in-house by Lamborghini with patented process Lamborghini’s Geneva motor show launch of its Murciélago replacement promises an extraordinary new technology-driven super sports car. One significant feature will be the extensive use of carbon fiber-reinforced polymer (CFRP) technology throughout the car, and in particular, in the entirely carbon fiber composite monocoque. The cell of the future Lamborghini flagship super sports car is made entirely from carbon fiber and has been designed as a monocoque structure. The load-bearing structure of the vehicle is engineered as a “single shell” that functions physically as one component, thus taking full advantage of the extreme rigidity of CFRP. Formula 1 race cars have been built using CFRP monocoques for many years – and have proven their crash worthiness time and again. The same applies to road-going sports cars featuring monocoque technology – the carbon fiber occupant cell functions like an extremely safe roll cage. Construction offer many advantages Of course, the term “single shell” applies only in the descriptive sense – the new Lamborghini monocoque is made from a series of individual parts with specific functions, such as stiffening elements made from Braiding technology, that is one of the best technology to manage energy adsorption in case of crash. After the curing process, however, this structure functions as a single component – including the base section known as the tub and the complete roof. The full monocoque solution offers advantages which other processes, like a tub where a metal roof structure is attached in a conventional manner, cannot realize. That’s why Lamborghini made the no compromise choice of the full monocoque, which weighs only 147.5 kilograms (324.5 lbs). Extremely rigid construction Superior passive safety is only one benefit of the extreme rigidity of a full carbon fiber monocoque - very high torsional rigidity is another. The monocoque is connected at the front and rear with equally rigid aluminum sub-frames, on which the suspension, engine and transmission are mounted. The entire body-in-white of the future V12 model weighs only 229.5 kilograms (505 lbs) and boasts phenomenal torsional rigidity of 35,000 Newton meters per degree of twist. This guarantees a superb feeling of solidity, but, more importantly, extremely exact wheel control with excellent steering precision and sensitive feedback. For the dedicated driver, both are essential for truly enticing driving pleasure. The new Lamborghini flagship responds to the most minute steering input with the stunning precision of a perfectly balanced race car. Depending on the form, function and requirements of the individual elements, the Lamborghini development team selected from three main CFRP manufacturing methods within its technology tool kit. They differ not only in their production processes, but also in the type of carbon fiber and its weave and, most importantly, in the chemical composition of the synthetic resin used. Resin Transfer Moulding (RTM): In this process the carbon fiber mats are preformed and impregnated with an exact amount of resin. Afterwards, they are cured under heat while the part is in the mold. Lamborghini has achieved a major breakthrough by further developmening this method. Using the patented “RTM-Lambo” process, the final mold is no longer a heavy, complex metal piece, but is made instead from lightweight carbon-fiber parts, thus making the manufacturing process faster, more flexible and more efficient. An additional benefit of the RTM-Lambo process is the low injection pressure that doesn’t require expensive equipment. Prepreg – The carbon fiber mats used in this method, commonly known as prepreg, are pre-injected by the supplier with a thermosetting liquid resin and must be stored at a low temperature. The mats are then laminated in molds and cured under heat and pressure in an autoclave. Prepreg components are complex to make, but have an extremely high-quality surface finish (Class-A surface quality) and are therefore the preferred option for use in visible locations. Braiding – These components are manufactured by using RTM technology. This carbon fiber weave technology is derived from the textile industry and used to make tubular components for special applications such as structural roof pillars and rocker panels. The woven components are made by diagonally interweaving the fiber in several layers. The monocoque of the new V12 super sports car is constructed using these technologies applied in a series of special processes. One significant advancement Lamborghini realized is the ability to use already-assembled monocoque elements as the mold for the next step in the process. This makes for a considerable simplification of the manufacturing process compared with conventional methods. Epoxy foam components are also used within the monocoque. They are placed in strategic points to increase the stiffness of the monocoque by working as spacers between the composite layers while also dampening noise and vibration. In addition, aluminum inserts are laminated into the front and rear surfaces to facilitate connection with the aluminum front and rear sub-frame elements. Because of the complexity of the materials and process outlined above, Lamborghini decided to produce its new monocoque completely in-house, managing one strategic step in the production process. Quality control is an absolutely crucial factor – every single monocoque is measured to exacting tolerances of only 0.1 millimeters, facilitating the extreme precision of the overall vehicle. Quality control starts with the purchase of the carbon fiber parts. Every delivery of carbon fiber is certified and the material is checked regularly for compliance with quality standards. Lamborghini worked together with its suppliers to develop a world-exclusive fiber and resin system for its RTM technology. Ultimately, these materials and processes constitute an important part of Lamborghini’s worldwide leading expertise in the field. Carbon composite materials - A key technology for tomorrow’s high-performance automotive engineering These materials made from CFRP combine the lowest possible weight with excellent material characteristics – they are very light, extremely rigid and exceptionally precise. Furthermore, CFRP materials can also be formed into highly complex components with integrated functions. This reduces the number of individual parts when compared to traditional metal construction – thus enabling further weight reduction. Lighter cars have lower fuel consumption and fewer CO2 emissions. Most significantly, however, it improves the power-to-weight ratio – the deciding factor in the overall feel and performance of a sports car. A super sports car built using CFRP accelerates faster, has superior handling and better braking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted February 11, 2011 Has this been posted? Seen soo many pics of it cant remember... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zapper Report post Posted February 11, 2011 Yeah, repost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambornima Report post Posted February 12, 2011 good to hear its being made in-house. goes against the idea that lambo is being Audified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted February 12, 2011 good to hear its being made in-house. goes against the idea that lambo is being Audified. there is a brand new and big factory plant in S.#### dedicated to carbon composite fibers: the carbon fiber monocoque is built there ciao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_chaos Report post Posted February 12, 2011 And ALL the engines in the VAG are made in Germany. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forzaL Report post Posted February 13, 2011 And ALL the engines in the VAG are made in Germany. Engines are built in Hungary too. I remember Audi TT-s being assembled in Hungary and engine blocks being built there too. http://www.insideline.com/audi/a3/audi-to-...in-hungary.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickSimmons Report post Posted February 13, 2011 The 5.2L V10 was definitely built in Hungary. Others were as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambornima Report post Posted February 14, 2011 And ALL the engines in the VAG are made in Germany. I know the Gallardo's is but is the V12? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushdriven Report post Posted February 14, 2011 And ALL the engines in the VAG are made in Germany. I've seen V12's being built in Italy at the factory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrVertigo Report post Posted February 14, 2011 I'm not sure where the block is manufactured, but the V12 assembly definately happens at Sant'####. Also, the Bentley W12 is made in Crewe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_chaos Report post Posted February 14, 2011 Pretty sure that all blocks are constructed in Germany then crated out to the factories, Veyron engines have a specialist room etc. Trust me to have a clear out of magazines the other weekend otherwise I could have scanned them. Doh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Report post Posted February 14, 2011 Pretty sure that all blocks are constructed in Germany then crated out to the factories, Veyron engines have a specialist room etc. Trust me to have a clear out of magazines the other weekend otherwise I could have scanned them. Doh. This is how I always understood it to be. Italy does "assembling" not "manufacturing". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gprso Report post Posted February 15, 2011 This is how I always understood it to be. Italy does "assembling" not "manufacturing". Any one know when will they be delivered? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted February 15, 2011 Any one know when will they be delivered? LP700 will be delivered to customers starting from the beginning of June ciao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted February 15, 2011 i was told that LP700 spraying process for customer cars will start at the end of march Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a007apl Report post Posted February 15, 2011 Some more Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted February 15, 2011 this car is short and large like Countach was Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Report post Posted February 15, 2011 Some more This is actually the best its looked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewD Report post Posted February 15, 2011 LP700 will be delivered to customers starting from the beginning of June ciao Albert, is this confirmed? Which countries? My order is the first at my dealership, but they STILL don't know the date. There's a lot said on the internet, but is it confirmed by the factory? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted February 15, 2011 Albert, is this confirmed? Which countries? My order is the first at my dealership, but they STILL don't know the date. There's a lot said on the internet, but is it confirmed by the factory? this is not official, but i know there are some details to fix in the assembly: the car is relly all new in everything and they are doing a lot of tests to avoid later problems. Now everything looks fixed, i was told they should start spraying the car body in a month and deliveries will start in june. Sure in may they will not, as i asked a LP700 car to rent on may 19 and i was told by someone whose surname is Lamborghini that first production cars are expected to leave the factory in june: no production car is expected in may. Not sure, but these are the latest news. This is what i know: i do not work for the factory, but i live very very close to the plant where LP700 will be sprayed. I know they had to start spraying one year ago, but this car has been delayed one year as it is a new era car that needs many controls and testings. You bought the best italian sport car in the world for years: let the factory plenty of time to tune the car and its assembly process. What color is your car? who knows, may be i will see some pieces of your car body at the plant, where my old Countach often is, as i continuously scratch the front spoiler... ciao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Report post Posted February 15, 2011 Albert: Great insight, thanks for your post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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