Making a Murderer

Am I the only one that didn't find it that compelling? I watched it all, but had no problem usually just watching one episode at a time... Certainly no marathon, missing work, not sleeping for days sort of binges that others seem to be doing.

 

That said, the uncle did it.

 

Based on?

Did they ever see if the key started or unlocked the car? I just saw an article that showed the murdered woman's key chain had multiple keys on it, not just the one.

I think he did kill her. But that is based off the evidence that I read elsewhere on the internet, not the documentary. It was one sided and was meant to show the screw ups by the justice system in these cases. I think Brendan is innocent though. Horrible to think about all of this.

Found this theory on another site. Seems plausible.

 

 

“The police didn’t kill Theresa Halbach. Andrew Colborn located that RAV4 with the assistance of Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas who illegally trespassed onto the Avery Salvage Yard on the night of November 3rd 2005. Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas suspected something was up since the Avery Salvage Yard was the last place they knew Theresa visited on Oct.31st Halloween day. They went snooping on the property and found the car. They checked the car and found the key in the ignition and blood in the cargo area. Mike or Ryan removed the key from the ignition to ensure that no one could easily move the car off of the Avery property… freaked out about this huge discovery they call the Manitowoc Sheriffs Department. Andrew Colborn fielded the call that night and went out and met Ryan and Mike at the Salvage Yard so he could view the car for himself. Ryan and Mike show him the car and to be certain its Halbachs he “calls” in the plate number to dispatch. Colborn has to “call” in… instead of “radio” in… the plate number to Manitowoc dispatch because he wasn’t in his police cruiser at the moment, but rather on foot and in the “field’ on the Avery Salvage property. This mistake places Colborn at the scene and in contact with Halbachs RAV4… 2 days before it is officially located on November 5th, 2005, by Pam Sturm….

 

This is problematic for Colborn because all call and radio transmissions to dispatch are recorded and logged onto the Manitowoc Police server. Andrew Colborn is now operating outside of police protocol at a potential crime scene that he has no official directive to be at. He tells Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas to basically STFU about what they found and not mention to anyone that they were ever on the Avery Salvage property that night. Ryan or Mike turns the RAV4 key over to Andrew Colborn. Mike and Ryan are told to go home. Andrew Colborn then immediately calls Lt. James Lenk and briefs him about the discovery of the Halbach car and breaches of protocol he committed on the Avery property, also about Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach being there. Lt James Lenk realizing that Colborn’s calling in Halbachs plate is a serious mistake with potential consequences orders Andrew Colborn to remove the license plate from Halbach’s car and then report to him immediately.

 

What James Lenk and Andrew Colborn, or the others for that matter, don’t realize at this point and are completely unaware of is that Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych have kidnapped, raped, shot and then burned Theresa Halbach in the privacy of the gravel quarry off of Jambo Rd on Halloween evening. They choose to burn her body to dispose of their DNA evidence of the crimes. They hid Halbach’s car in the rear of Avery Salvage and wiped it clean of their prints. I believe it is Scott Tadych’s idea to secretly transport the cremains of Halbach from the gravel quarry and dispose them into Steven Avery’s burn pit. Scott Tadych transports Halbach’s cremains in secret by using one of Barb Jandas burn barrels from her yard. Scott Tadych fails to collect all of Halbach’s cremains from the original burn site in the gravel quarry, thus leaving some behind that FBI investigators later find… but he also fails in making certain all of Halbach’s cremains are out of Barb Jandas burn barrel after dumping them into Steven Avery’s burn pit. This is why investigators found small bits of Halbach in Barb Jandas burn barrel. Thus making a total of three sites where Halbach’s cremains are found. Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey are unaware that Ryan Hillegas and Mike Halbach have found Theresas car on the property and that Lenk and Colborn are now involved and in play with their scheme.

 

By shear colossal luck, two completely independent frame jobs targeting one man, Steven Avery were shaping up into the perfect storm. On one front, from Lenk and Colborn regarding the RAV4, ….and on the other unconnected front by Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey regarding the cremains of Theresa Halbach. One party wasn’t aware of the other’s involvements at any point during the days leading up to the official discovery of Halbach’s RAV4 at the Avery Salvage Yard hence why the investigation and murder trial made zero sense to anyone especially the Jury.

 

None of the evidence could be connected because it was all unrelated… everybody was guessing. But Buting and Strang had zeroed in on a part of it but couldn’t fully form a solid defense to prove it. The Jury couldn’t conceive that Manitowoc officers could have conspired to kill Theresa Halbach to frame Steven Avery as Ken Kratz insisted they had to if they wanted to follow the theory the defense presented of the frame up of Steven Avery by Manitowoc officials. And Ken Kratz was right… Imagine Scott Tadych’s confused and utter relief when Steve Avery’s blood was found in the Halbach car and the RAV4 key found in Steve Avery’s bedroom….. he must have been like…. WTF?! A quote from Scott Tadych after Steven Avery is convicted of Theresa Halbach’s murder…. “THIS IS THE GREATEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN” ….. We will see Scott, we will see…………………”

 

Notice how the events here not only make logical sense, but they also line up with how many of the parties involved behaved during the documentary i.e how Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas seemed like they knew more about what happened than they were leading on. As well as Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey’s bizarre hostility towards Steven Avery."

That makes a lot of sense, the only way these two bastards will walk free (providing they aren't guilty) is if someone else confesses which is extremely unlikely, so they are doomed!

 

How horrible would it be to spend the rest of your life behind bars for something you haven't done, what a scary horrifying thought!

That does make sense. If true, poor fcuking guys.

I'm confused. So, according to that theory (posted by Lasombra52):

 

- Scott Tadych and Bobby Dassey did it.

- Mike Hallbach and Ryan Hillegas went looking for Teresa and found her RAV4 on Steven Avery's property, called the cop, Andrew Colburn, to come see it, and instead of Colburn calling it in and saying, "We found the victim's car!!" and getting the wheels of the police in motion, he . . . decides to do nothing of the sort, tell nobody, and let a "search" be publicly conducted for days after that?

 

WHY?! I don't understand that one bit.

 

Please explain.

OK... so I haven't seen the tv show (But I have read a great deal, and by all accounts, its pretty one sided).

 

One thing that doesnt make sense- The so called "Motive" to frame him. The lawsuit. The lawsuit doesnt "go away" because he was convicted of a second crime. Theyre independent of each other. And forget about the "36 million dollar" thing... No way in Tina Marie's honeyhole is he getting 36 million bucks. Thats a "throw it out there number" created by an attorney to get attention... Even if a jury awarded it, it never stands on appeal and everybody knows it.

 

I estimate it to be worth $3 million... MAX. And everybody involved would have indemnification and/or insurance to cover it...

 

 

And one other thing... This "the cop called something in versus using a radio violates procedure thing". Balloon juice. Cops have been using cell phones to communicate (especially detectives) and in most departments its the preferred method of non dispatch comms.

OK... so I haven't seen the tv show (But I have read a great deal, and by all accounts, its pretty one sided).

 

One thing that doesnt make sense- The so called "Motive" to frame him. The lawsuit. The lawsuit doesnt "go away" because he was convicted of a second crime. Theyre independent of each other. And forget about the "36 million dollar" thing... No way in Tina Marie's honeyhole is he getting 36 million bucks. Thats a "throw it out there number" created by an attorney to get attention... Even if a jury awarded it, it never stands on appeal and everybody knows it.

 

I estimate it to be worth $3 million... MAX. And everybody involved would have indemnification and/or insurance to cover it...

 

 

And one other thing... This "the cop called something in versus using a radio violates procedure thing". Balloon juice. Cops have been using cell phones to communicate (especially detectives) and in most departments its the preferred method of non dispatch comms.

 

$3MM for 18 years in jail after being wrongfully convicted? Really? Speaking of - F that.

 

$2MM per year sounds much more reasonable to me, but what do I know?

 

I do recall there being something in the film about the county's insurance not covering the wrongful conviction suit and there being an explanation for the individuals involved being personally liable.

If somebody took away 18 years of my life I'd roll on the floor laughing if they wanted to give me $36 mil to go away!

 

They wasted his entire life, the best years of his life and scarred him emotionally for the rest of it, they destroyed the life of his parents etc.

 

If he committed the muder I would have no issues if they gave him the chair because he deserves it but if he was wrongfully convicted of the 1st crime he was charged with he deserves a hell lot more than $36mil.

 

Also I believe he should be entitled to collect on that money even if he is guilty of the second crime, it makes sense, why isn't he collecting?

 

He wasn't guilty of it he should be compensated just as he has to pay his dues for the crime he was charged with now.

 

What a BS justice system!

Ahh, right! I totally forgot about his pendind $36 million lawsuit.

 

And Roman, it DID go away because of the murder case! He was forced to settle it in a hurry, accepting a paltry $400,000, so he could pay his attorneys who were defending him in the murder case!

 

Still though, for the cop at that moment when he found the RAV4 to decide to go on this frame-job path immediately is a HUGE risk. I mean, if that's the case, there WAS (and is) the real murderer out there, and what if as the case went on there happened to be super-clear evidence pointing to someone else? Then that cop would have been clearly F-ed. As a plan, it still doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

$3MM for 18 years in jail after being wrongfully convicted? Really? Speaking of - F that.

 

$2MM per year sounds much more reasonable to me, but what do I know?

 

I do recall there being something in the film about the county's insurance not covering the wrongful conviction suit and there being an explanation for the individuals involved being personally liable.

 

 

Anthony graves- texas. 18 years. 1.4 million

 

Marty Tankliff- New York, 17 years- 3.4 million

 

Wilton Dedge- Florida, 22 years- nothing.

 

Most states (and the federal government) have statutes that set what each year is worth... Typically $50K. Add a little something for aggravating factors and thats your case,

One thing that doesnt make sense- The so called "Motive" to frame him. The lawsuit. The lawsuit doesnt "go away" because he was convicted of a second crime. Theyre independent of each other.

They stopped the hearings for the lawsuit when he was arrested, and he had to accept a $400k (or something) settlement to afford lawyers...

Marty Tankliff- New York, 17 years- 3.4 million

 

Lol. Marty and I were friends as kids, he lived just up the street from me. His dad had a delorean. Kid lived a charmed life, I couldn't believe when they charged and convicted him.

 

They stopped the hearings for the lawsuit when he was arrested, and he had to accept a $400k (or something) settlement to afford lawyers...

 

He didn't HAVE to accept the settlement.... He could have gotten a court appointed attorney for free.

He didn't HAVE to accept the settlement.... He could have gotten a court appointed attorney for free.

Of course, but he felt a public defender would be no good.

 

Watch the documentary!

 

 

Of course, but he felt a public defender would be no good.

 

Watch the documentary!

 

Howd that work out for him?

Howd that work out for him?

Would you (assuming you knew nothing about law) stick with a public defender if you had $400k available when dealing with a life sentence? No.

To give you an idea of how fucked up the sentencing was, Steven was found guilty for killing her in his garage, while Brendan was found guilty for killing her in Stevens bedroom. Same prosecutor. Two people sent to prison for life and 50 years for killing the same woman different places!

Logic and common sense apparently has no place in a courtroom.

Would you (assuming you knew nothing about law) stick with a public defender if you had $400k available when dealing with a life sentence? No.

To give you an idea of how fucked up the sentencing was, Steven was found guilty for killing her in his garage, while Brendan was found guilty for killing her in Stevens bedroom. Same prosecutor. Two people sent to prison for life and 50 years for killing the same woman different places!

Logic and common sense apparently has no place in a courtroom.

 

Lol, Great analysis

To give you an idea of how fucked up the sentencing was, Steven was found guilty for killing her in his garage, while Brendan was found guilty for killing her in Stevens bedroom. Same prosecutor. Two people sent to prison for life and 50 years for killing the same woman different places!

Logic and common sense apparently has no place in a courtroom.

 

I didnt know that part... And inconsistent theories of a case should be disallowed... Same thing happened here in the case I mentioned earlier... Two different guys convicted of the same murder, with mutually exclusive theories.

I didnt know that part... And inconsistent theories of a case should be disallowed... Same thing happened here in the case I mentioned earlier... Two different guys convicted of the same murder, with mutually exclusive theories.

 

 

Erik, the settlement you quoted for tankleff was only one, he's got several other suits still pending.

More wtf??!!

 

http://wthitv.com/2016/01/30/ken-kratz-let...k-plan-in-2015/

There was a 1 hour show on ID channel the other night which was made after the Netflix show. It seemed to summarize the whole thing but KATZ was interviewed as well. I fell after sleep halfway through however.