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post Apr 22 2013, 08:15 AM
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Itís time for a new sedan. All things considered Iíve narrowed it down to a stock CTS-V or a Charger with an Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger.

What do you guys think?
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post Apr 22 2013, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE (islandguy @ Apr 22 2013, 12:15 PM) *
Itís time for a new sedan. All things considered Iíve narrowed it down to a stock CTS-V or a Charger with an Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger.

What do you guys think?

I go with the CTS-V, nicer ride, still 50+hp over the Charger w/Edelbrock and you can still boost the HP of the CTS-V with upgrades to the 700hp range
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post Apr 22 2013, 09:24 AM
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post Apr 22 2013, 11:24 AM
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Should have mentioned that weíre talking about a $20K-$25K difference in price at the end of the day.
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post Apr 23 2013, 07:01 AM
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The CTS-V coupe was shit when I drove it (2012 model) I hated it for so many reasons. People at the magazine I worked for didn't like my opinion because they were a big sponsor for the publication lol.gif

What's your overall budget if you don't mind? I can list some similar suggestions if you like.


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post Apr 23 2013, 07:58 AM
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QUOTE (Destructo @ Apr 23 2013, 09:01 AM) *
The CTS-V coupe was shit when I drove it (2012 model) I hated it for so many reasons.


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post Apr 23 2013, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE (Destructo @ Apr 23 2013, 11:01 AM) *
The CTS-V coupe was shit when I drove it (2012 model) I hated it for so many reasons. People at the magazine I worked for didn't like my opinion because they were a big sponsor for the publication lol.gif

What's your overall budget if you don't mind? I can list some similar suggestions if you like.


I drove a CTS-V coupe a year or so ago and wasn't impressed either. It seemed really sterile rather than sporty to me. Now it was very quiet and rode well (it's a Cadillac, duh), but the steering and overall feel didn't feel nearly as sporty as say an M3. Even the exhaust was surprisingly quiet IMO. I just took it on a brief test drive so I thought maybe I didn't drive it enough to appreciate it.


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post Apr 23 2013, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE (medici78 @ Apr 23 2013, 12:58 PM) *
Tell us more.

As a performance wagon the car is great. Because your expectations are that of a station wagon. You aren't expecting to have decent handling and strong power from that kind of car. So naturally a six-speed wagon with an LS7 power plant is going to be awesome.

Now.. make it a coupe and the world demands more for something that bills itself as a two-door sportscar. You can't just re-body it and expect it to have the same reaction. And i think too many people drank the Kool-Aid on that one. And it disappoints compared to most genuine performance coupes.

QUOTE (RedGTS @ Apr 23 2013, 03:24 PM) *
I drove a CTS-V coupe a year or so ago and wasn't impressed either. It seemed really sterile rather than sporty to me. Now it was very quiet and rode well (it's a Cadillac, duh), but the steering and overall feel didn't feel nearly as sporty as say an M3. Even the exhaust was surprisingly quiet IMO. I just took it on a brief test drive so I thought maybe I didn't drive it enough to appreciate it.


I thought they put a steering wheel from the Escalade in there it was so big. It's an old-man excuse for a "sports car" sure it'll go fast when you push it, but it's more of a conversation piece when compared to truly engineered sportscars. It doesn't hold up for me.


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post Apr 23 2013, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE (Destructo @ Apr 23 2013, 12:07 PM) *
As a performance wagon the car is great. Because your expectations are that of a station wagon. You aren't expecting to have decent handling and strong power from that kind of car. So naturally a six-speed wagon with an LS7 power plant is going to be awesome.

Now.. make it a coupe and the world demands more for something that bills itself as a two-door sportscar. You can't just re-body it and expect it to have the same reaction. And i think too many people drank the Kool-Aid on that one. And it disappoints compared to most genuine performance coupes.

I thought they put a steering wheel from the Escalade in there it was so big. It's an old-man excuse for a "sports car" sure it'll go fast when you push it, but it's more of a conversation piece when compared to truly engineered sportscars. It doesn't hold up for me.


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That seems spot on to me. As a wagon, it's like a poor man's AMG 63, at a great price/performance level. It even looks good.

But as a coupe you're opening yourself up to massive competition at the highest levels, M3, GT-R, etc. Even the actual Z06 barely holds up in that group, let alone some 4,400lb. softened Caddy version...

Definitely a unique look though, especially the modded versions I've seen running around.
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post Apr 23 2013, 08:58 PM
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If a 2-door 4 seater was an option then absolutely Iíd be looking at something different and at a much different price point also (GT-R, TT, AM, 612Ö).

Given that this 4 door will be a daily driver that sits outside Iím not really looking to spend more than 50+/-. Iíve read through several of the ďhelp me choose a daily driverĒ threads and at least for now Iím looking for a reasonably priced straight line sleeper. Something that I can pounce on and hit 12ís just for the heck of it.

Iíve been killed in the past on depreciation and itís not fun, so something like a C63 is out, not to mention they just don't float my boat.
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post Apr 24 2013, 06:22 AM
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QUOTE (islandguy @ Apr 24 2013, 01:58 AM) *
If a 2-door 4 seater was an option then absolutely Iíd be looking at something different and at a much different price point also (GT-R, TT, AM, 612Ö).

Given that this 4 door will be a daily driver that sits outside Iím not really looking to spend more than 50+/-. Iíve read through several of the ďhelp me choose a daily driverĒ threads and at least for now Iím looking for a reasonably priced straight line sleeper. Something that I can pounce on and hit 12ís just for the heck of it.

Iíve been killed in the past on depreciation and itís not fun, so something like a C63 is out, not to mention they just don't float my boat.


How's your mechanic aptitude and stomach for foreign part prices? Consider a 6-speed manual E60 M5. Four door, 500 hp V10. Doesn't get much sleepier than that. You can find a good example for 40-50k and the depreciation will probably stop there for a while.


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post Apr 24 2013, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE (Destructo @ Apr 24 2013, 10:22 AM) *
How's your mechanic aptitude and stomach for foreign part prices? Consider a 6-speed manual E60 M5. Four door, 500 hp V10. Doesn't get much sleepier than that. You can find a good example for 40-50k and the depreciation will probably stop there for a while.


That car was the biggest pain in the ass I have ever owned. Mine was a DSG car, but I couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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I loved my E60 M5 smile.gif They are a hit and miss. 50% crap 50% perfect!


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QUOTE (Rouleur @ Apr 24 2013, 08:44 AM) *
That car was the biggest pain in the ass I have ever owned. Mine was a DSG car, but I couldn't get rid of it fast enough.

Ditto on my E60. Wasn't an M5 however.
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post Apr 24 2013, 12:32 PM
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Iíve had BMWís in the past with similar issues. Iíll add that everything newer than an E39 looks too main stream Japanese to me and has too many maintenance risks. BMW lost my business a long time ago.
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post Apr 26 2013, 11:55 AM
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The CTS-V stunned me. I didn't expect much at all (not having read any reviews on it), other than "Cadillac's version of a sports sedan"....then, the first time I pressed the accelerator, I was greatly mistaken.

The CTS-V drives like it was just learning how to drive 'tame' on the street. A ton of fun!!

If you want to save money, the Charger makes sense (especially if you want to use the extra $$$ to make some awesome mods).


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If it has to be one of these two Id go for the Caddy allday, but Id skip both go for something else.


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post Apr 30 2013, 02:07 PM
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amg63 with tt would be as fun to drive..
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post Apr 30 2013, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (qvpower @ Apr 30 2013, 06:07 PM) *
amg63 with tt would be as fun to drive..


Not an option for ~$50k.


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post Apr 30 2013, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE (RedGTS @ Apr 30 2013, 03:10 PM) *
Not an option for ~$50k.

Very true.
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