SLR over a LP640 or CGT ?

 

Owners please - what do you think , would you take a SLR over a LP640 or a CGT?

All 3 are great cars, all completely different from each other. It just depends on what you are buying the car for and which one YOU like most.

 

Aaron

 

Owners please - what do you think , would you take a SLR over a LP640 or a CGT?

I did!

I am having this same dilema right now. They are all pretty much in the same price range.

LP=Looks

CGT=Performance

SLR=A little bit of everything

I am having this same dilema right now. They are all pretty much in the same price range.

LP=Looks

CGT=Performance

SLR=A little bit of everything

 

I understand the LP 640 and the CGT. I have never been a Benz fan aside from the CLK-GTR.

 

My issue with the MB is this: The SLR just doesn't look "super car". It's more of a GT. It does have the performance figures; especially if you go with the 722. It's a great V8. But it's also still just a V8. Nothing is like the roar of the V-12 in the LP or even the harmoneous F1 ring of the CGT's V-10.

 

Being a Mercedes the public views the car as an SL with a body kit and trick doors. I agree. It doesn't look special. Even the tail lights scream boy-racer.

 

Case in point: I had a similar customer that bought a GT2. He traded it in for a Lamborghini Gallardo SuperLeggera after only 200 miles in his 911. Why?

"It doesn't get enough looks." The public only recognizes that it is a 911. To most people it's the same as an $80,000 Carrera.

 

You'll get respect in car circles for owning it and it is faster (when driven properly) than the CGT on some tracks. You'll have better top end on the CGT or the LP during acceleration but the SLR will get to a higher top speed of 224mph vs the LP's 219 or the CGT's 205.

 

I love the styling of the LP and the CGT is very impressive in person (pictures have never done that car justice). If you want true track worthy performane there is nothing like an open wheel car. In my opinion it's all about style. I'd go with the Lamborghini.

 

One final note: Paris Hilton drives an SLR...

 

Don Ackad

Sales Manager

Manhattan Motor Cars

I understand the LP 640 and the CGT. I have never been a Benz fan aside from the CLK-GTR.

 

My issue with the MB is this: The SLR just doesn't look "super car". It's more of a GT. It does have the performance figures; especially if you go with the 722. It's a great V8. But it's also still just a V8. Nothing is like the roar of the V-12 in the LP or even the harmoneous F1 ring of the CGT's V-10.

 

Being a Mercedes the public views the car as an SL with a body kit and trick doors. I agree. It doesn't look special. Even the tail lights scream boy-racer.

 

Case in point: I had a similar customer that bought a GT2. He traded it in for a Lamborghini Gallardo SuperLeggera after only 200 miles in his 911. Why?

"It doesn't get enough looks." The public only recognizes that it is a 911. To most people it's the same as an $80,000 Carrera.

 

You'll get respect in car circles for owning it and it is faster (when driven properly) than the CGT on some tracks. You'll have better top end on the CGT or the LP during acceleration but the SLR will get to a higher top speed of 224mph vs the LP's 219 or the CGT's 205.

 

I love the styling of the LP and the CGT is very impressive in person (pictures have never done that car justice). If you want true track worthy performane there is nothing like an open wheel car. In my opinion it's all about style. I'd go with the Lamborghini.

 

One final note: Paris Hilton drives an SLR...

 

Don Ackad

Sales Manager

Manhattan Motor Cars

 

 

Im going to have to disagree with you on several notes. The SLR certainly LOOKS supercar, and most people definitely know what it is. You do get some people who think it is just some new benz, but those are usually old people. The SLR is also one of those cars that looks much better in person than in pics, and from my experience woman like the SLR best.

 

You are certainly way off in your explanation of acceleration. Both the SLR and the CGT will out accelerate the Lp640. From a dead stop the SLR will take the CGT, and from a roll, the SLR and CGT are virtually identical. According to some, at speeds over 180 the SLR will outaccelerate the CGT, but we have yet to verufy this as to atleast 160 they were pretty much identical. The Lp might out accelerate the CGT from a stop, as the CGT cannot put the power to the ground in the first 2 gears. From a roll, the Cgt will beat the LP.

 

As for top speed, man I wish an SLR could go 224, but that will never happen. It should be a few MPH faster than a CGT, and the LP should be a few mph faster than the SLR, but it will take longer for the Lp to hit top end, and it is certainly not 219mph unless off a cliff.

 

If you are looking for a car to be looked at in, then most likley the LP is your car. If you are looking for a great looking car, with performance that rivals the best, is comfortable and useable, the SLR is your car. If you are looking for a car to track and kill yourself in, the CGT is your ticket.

thanks for the insight gents - I've got a CGT (had a superleggera etc) - just trying to work out if I can use the SLR everyday (which I can't with the CGT) and more importantly if the car will hold my attention or if i'll get bored of it (faster SL55?)

thanks for the insight gents - I've got a CGT (had a superleggera etc) - just trying to work out if I can use the SLR everyday (which I can't with the CGT) and more importantly if the car will hold my attention or if i'll get bored of it (faster SL55?)

SLR can be used everyday.... but as you want something more of a daily driver, it will naturally be more mundane than a SuperG or CGT. So in that sense the SLR is like a SL55, with far more exotic looks, and performance. If you really wanna have fun, get the car modded.

Im going to have to disagree with you on several notes. The SLR certainly LOOKS supercar, and most people definitely know what it is. You do get some people who think it is just some new benz, but those are usually old people. The SLR is also one of those cars that looks much better in person than in pics, and from my experience woman like the SLR best.

 

You are certainly way off in your explanation of acceleration. Both the SLR and the CGT will out accelerate the Lp640. From a dead stop the SLR will take the CGT, and from a roll, the SLR and CGT are virtually identical. According to some, at speeds over 180 the SLR will outaccelerate the CGT, but we have yet to verufy this as to atleast 160 they were pretty much identical. The Lp might out accelerate the CGT from a stop, as the CGT cannot put the power to the ground in the first 2 gears. From a roll, the Cgt will beat the LP.

 

As for top speed, man I wish an SLR could go 224, but that will never happen. It should be a few MPH faster than a CGT, and the LP should be a few mph faster than the SLR, but it will take longer for the Lp to hit top end, and it is certainly not 219mph unless off a cliff.

 

If you are looking for a car to be looked at in, then most likley the LP is your car. If you are looking for a great looking car, with performance that rivals the best, is comfortable and useable, the SLR is your car. If you are looking for a car to track and kill yourself in, the CGT is your ticket.

 

We all have our opinions. At auto shows (and I've been going for decades) I tend to listen to what the public is saying more than I do anything else. I've heard on several occasions that the SLR looks like a Boy-Racer. People find the tail lights to resemble what they've seen on modified Honda Civics. Being that we are car guys we tend to think that everyone knows what we do. Just a question, have you owned all three?

 

Paris Hilton is at least one woman who likes that car. Most women I've heard comment on the car spent more time around the SL 550 at last year’s New York Auto Show than the SLR. I feel they didn't like the aggressive lines.

 

Out of curiosity and not in an effort to show you up; I just did an informal survey with 7 of the girls who work here: 4 liked the LP best and the other three preferred the CGT. None of them chose the SLR as their top pick. Two of the girls who chose the LP stated they like the SLR 2nd best (interestingly, I did not ask them for their second or third picks and they offered this information without request). No two girls were present at the same time of questioning. My Question was only: "Which car looks the best?" Attached are the sample photos I used.

 

As to acceleration 0-60 is 3.6 for the CGT, 3.3 for the LP and 3.5 for the standard SLR. The 722 is 2.8.

 

References:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...ra_gt_road_test

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_M...#LP640_Roadster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SLR_McLaren

 

According to Auto Motor und Sport, the SLR can achieve a top speed of 224mph.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SLR_McLaren

 

According to Lamborghini the LP 640 will achieve a top speed of 219mph. People who own this car have told me the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_M...#LP640_Roadster

 

As to better top end acceleration :

0-100 mph

CGT 7.3 http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/...pecs_price.html

SLR 7.5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SLR_McLaren

LP 7.1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_M...ago#cite_note-6

 

Cite me if you have refernces stating otherwise.

 

"If you are looking for a car to be looked at in, then most likely the LP is your car. If you are looking for a car with performance that rivals the best, is comfortable and useable, the SLR is your car. If you are looking for a car to track and kill yourself in, the CGT is your ticket."

 

SPOT ON! The CGT is the F40 of the modern era. Rumor has it that Porsche had surveyed some of their prospective customers and asked if they wanted traction control or an electronic stability program of some sort and they adamantly stated that they did not; very much reminiscent of the F40: power, handling and no driver assistance. This is not a car for the timid or first timers.

 

Respectfully,

 

Don Ackad

Sales Manager

Manhattan Motor Cars

 

boy at least my magazine times are accurate

 

We all have our opinions. At auto shows (and I've been going for decades) I tend to listen to what the public is saying more than I do anything else. I've heard on several occasions that the SLR looks like a Boy-Racer. People find the tail lights to resemble what they've seen on modified Honda Civics. Being that we are car guys we tend to think that everyone knows what we do. Just a question, have you owned all three?

 

Paris Hilton is at least one woman who likes that car. Most women I've heard comment on the car spent more time around the SL 550 at last year’s New York Auto Show than the SLR. I feel they didn't like the aggressive lines.

 

Out of curiosity and not in an effort to show you up; I just did an informal survey with 7 of the girls who work here: 4 liked the LP best and the other three preferred the CGT. None of them chose the SLR as their top pick. Two of the girls who chose the LP stated they like the SLR 2nd best (interestingly, I did not ask them for their second or third picks and they offered this information without request). No two girls were present at the same time of questioning. My Question was only: "Which car looks the best?" Attached are the sample photos I used.

 

As to acceleration 0-60 is 3.6 for the CGT, 3.3 for the LP and 3.5 for the standard SLR. The 722 is 2.8.

 

References:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...ra_gt_road_test

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_M...#LP640_Roadster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SLR_McLaren

 

According to Auto Motor und Sport, the SLR can achieve a top speed of 224mph.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SLR_McLaren

 

According to Lamborghini the LP 640 will achieve a top speed of 219mph. People who own this car have told me the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_M...#LP640_Roadster

 

As to better top end acceleration :

0-100 mph

CGT 7.3 http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/...pecs_price.html

SLR 7.5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SLR_McLaren

LP 7.1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_M...ago#cite_note-6

 

Cite me if you have refernces stating otherwise.

 

"If you are looking for a car to be looked at in, then most likely the LP is your car. If you are looking for a car with performance that rivals the best, is comfortable and useable, the SLR is your car. If you are looking for a car to track and kill yourself in, the CGT is your ticket."

 

SPOT ON! The CGT is the F40 of the modern era. Rumor has it that Porsche had surveyed some of their prospective customers and asked if they wanted traction control or an electronic stability program of some sort and they adamantly stated that they did not; very much reminiscent of the F40: power, handling and no driver assistance. This is not a car for the timid or first timers.

 

Respectfully,

 

Don Ackad

Sales Manager

Manhattan Motor Cars

 

Here it goes.............

 

well don- opinions opinions for sure and alwasy interesting for debate but its hard to put opinion against experience. Allan has a crazy lambo and now the slr. for sure the lambo turns more heads but to trust me the slr gets noticed big time.

 

i have had 3 ferrari's, 3 porches, 5 MB's blah blah blah............ the general public, at least here in toronto, where 150k plus cars are everywhere treat the slr different. when i pulled up to a stop light in the ferrari people would often NOT acknowledge it even though they clearly saw it. of course many people loved it but many others looked at it as too over the top.

 

when i drive down the road in the slr the cameras and camera phones are every where. people look at the car and may not know what it is - but they know its something special. its not over the top flash but i have never heard it described as boy racer.

 

i hated the looks of the car when i first saw it. i thought it was the ugliest thing. but the styling really grows on you. it remains different enough to be unique yet subtle enough to leave in the shopping mall parking lot. the styling is not loved by all but thats why there are many different styles of cars. u find the one u like and buy it.

 

and as far as the its only a V8 comment. ur kidding right? the engine is obscene..........there is no engine that i know of today that has the hp and torque that this has. and please dont quote magazine articles to prove me wrong. the porsche GT is very fast and sounds amazing. but pin the slr and u'll feel the blood leave ur head from the g forces. at least my head anyway why would u care if its a 4,8,10 or 12????

 

for those thinking of buying one i would say its too expensive to be a daily driver but its definitely not a garage queen. this car will drive perfectly in every circumstance.

 

We all have our opinions. At auto shows (and I've been going for decades) I tend to listen to what the public is saying more than I do anything else. I've heard on several occasions that the SLR looks like a Boy-Racer. People find the tail lights to resemble what they've seen on modified Honda Civics. Being that we are car guys we tend to think that everyone knows what we do. Just a question, have you owned all three?

 

Paris Hilton is at least one woman who likes that car. Most women I've heard comment on the car spent more time around the SL 550 at last year’s New York Auto Show than the SLR. I feel they didn't like the aggressive lines.

 

Out of curiosity and not in an effort to show you up; I just did an informal survey with 7 of the girls who work here: 4 liked the LP best and the other three preferred the CGT. None of them chose the SLR as their top pick. Two of the girls who chose the LP stated they like the SLR 2nd best (interestingly, I did not ask them for their second or third picks and they offered this information without request). No two girls were present at the same time of questioning. My Question was only: "Which car looks the best?" Attached are the sample photos I used.

 

As to acceleration 0-60 is 3.6 for the CGT, 3.3 for the LP and 3.5 for the standard SLR. The 722 is 2.8.

 

References:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_li...ra_gt_road_test

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_M...#LP640_Roadster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SLR_McLaren

 

According to Auto Motor und Sport, the SLR can achieve a top speed of 224mph.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SLR_McLaren

 

According to Lamborghini the LP 640 will achieve a top speed of 219mph. People who own this car have told me the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_M...#LP640_Roadster

 

As to better top end acceleration :

0-100 mph

CGT 7.3 http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/...pecs_price.html

SLR 7.5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SLR_McLaren

LP 7.1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_M...ago#cite_note-6

 

Cite me if you have refernces stating otherwise.

 

"If you are looking for a car to be looked at in, then most likely the LP is your car. If you are looking for a car with performance that rivals the best, is comfortable and useable, the SLR is your car. If you are looking for a car to track and kill yourself in, the CGT is your ticket."

 

SPOT ON! The CGT is the F40 of the modern era. Rumor has it that Porsche had surveyed some of their prospective customers and asked if they wanted traction control or an electronic stability program of some sort and they adamantly stated that they did not; very much reminiscent of the F40: power, handling and no driver assistance. This is not a car for the timid or first timers.

 

Respectfully,

 

Don Ackad

Sales Manager

Manhattan Motor Cars

 

Respectfully Don, I wont make you look silly as you are a sponsor on the board. Its obvious from your post that you have no real world experience with any of these cars and more than likely I have owned more of them then you have sold.

 

well don- opinions opinions for sure and alwasy interesting for debate but its hard to put opinion against experience. Allan has a crazy lambo and now the slr. for sure the lambo turns more heads but to trust me the slr gets noticed big time.

 

i have had 3 ferrari's, 3 porches, 5 MB's blah blah blah............ the general public, at least here in toronto, where 150k plus cars are everywhere treat the slr different. when i pulled up to a stop light in the ferrari people would often NOT acknowledge it even though they clearly saw it. of course many people loved it but many others looked at it as too over the top.

 

when i drive down the road in the slr the cameras and camera phones are every where. people look at the car and may not know what it is - but they know its something special. its not over the top flash but i have never heard it described as boy racer.

 

i hated the looks of the car when i first saw it. i thought it was the ugliest thing. but the styling really grows on you. it remains different enough to be unique yet subtle enough to leave in the shopping mall parking lot. the styling is not loved by all but thats why there are many different styles of cars. u find the one u like and buy it.

 

and as far as the its only a V8 comment. ur kidding right? the engine is obscene..........there is no engine that i know of today that has the hp and torque that this has. and please dont quote magazine articles to prove me wrong. the porsche GT is very fast and sounds amazing. but pin the slr and u'll feel the blood leave ur head from the g forces. at least my head anyway why would u care if its a 4,8,10 or 12????

 

for those thinking of buying one i would say its too expensive to be a daily driver but its definitely not a garage queen. this car will drive perfectly in every circumstance.

 

Allan is a VERY respected member of Lambo-power. Although I am not a fan of the styling of the SLR Allan's modifications really do bring the car out. Nice job Allan.

 

The engine IS obscene! It's Maclaren. They gave us the F1! The epitome of a supercar. Those guys know what they're doing.

 

Supercar is a term generally used for a high-end sports car, whose performance is highly superior to that of its contemporaries. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car with a centrally located engine"

 

The SLR is front engine RWD, it's engine lay out makes the body shape prone to resembling a GT. But with only

261 SLRs produced in 2006, and 275 in 2007 it's a VERY RARE car to be seen. Ferrari made well over 11,000 360s and Porsche has produced 1,270 GT's. I'm in the industry and I've only seen it a half dozen times!

 

I've always felt that it's a different league when you get into a mid-engine car. Heck, the Cayman S outperforms the 911 Carerra.

 

Anyways, not looking for a fight.

 

"thats why there are many different styles of cars. u find the one u like and buy it. " Absolutely.

 

We've detracted from the original debate of which car to get. I prefer the LP, then the GT. That's just my two cents.

 

Best,

 

Don Ackad

 

 

 

If I had a choice I would go Lambo, Porsche, then the Benz. I only like the CGT in a couple of colors (red and yellow). And personally, I think the SLR looks to much like an SLK. Just my unbiased opinion.

Don, honestly, you should quit. You are making a bunch of statements that make it seem like you don't know what you are talking about.

 

First of all, you do realize that the SLR is mid-engine? The motor is located between the axles, you know. Hence the long snout.

 

Secondly, dude. The F40 is the exact opposite of the CGT. The F50, on the other hand, is very closely related. Alex Pappas from FChat has owned all 3 - F40, F50, CGT - and stated it this way: I've had all three and the F50 is the spiritual predecessor to the CGT. The basic structure of both cars is very similar - normally aspirated engines, CF chassis, horizontal shocks, removable roof, stick shifted 6 speed. By contrast, the F40 is the antithesis of the CGT and F50 for that matter.

 

Thirdly, regarding your client that you put into a GT2 then moved into an SL. Why did you put him into a GT2 if he was looking for pop? Porsches are the most boring cars around. Hundreds of thousands of cars... all exactly the same. If he wanted to feel like a rockstar, a 911 in any iteration would be the last car to move him into.

 

Anyway, I know you mean well, but your statements reveal a lack of deeper knowledge regarding these cars in specific.

Hey guys I just wanted to let you know that Don was registering his own screen name when I left work.... I was unaware that he was posting under my screen name. Anywho, I'm sure he'll be posting a response soon.

 

~Matthew~

Fifth Gear - SLR vs LP640 vs CGT Experiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvV944u5VE8...a560104686d.htm

Don, honestly, you should quit. You are making a bunch of statements that make it seem like you don't know what you are talking about.

 

First of all, you do realize that the SLR is mid-engine? The motor is located between the axles, you know. Hence the long snout.

 

Secondly, dude. The F40 is the exact opposite of the CGT. The F50, on the other hand, is very closely related. Alex Pappas from FChat has owned all 3 - F40, F50, CGT - and stated it this way: I've had all three and the F50 is the spiritual predecessor to the CGT. The basic structure of both cars is very similar - normally aspirated engines, CF chassis, horizontal shocks, removable roof, stick shifted 6 speed. By contrast, the F40 is the antithesis of the CGT and F50 for that matter.

 

Thirdly, regarding your client that you put into a GT2 then moved into an SL. Why did you put him into a GT2 if he was looking for pop? Porsches are the most boring cars around. Hundreds of thousands of cars... all exactly the same. If he wanted to feel like a rockstar, a 911 in any iteration would be the last car to move him into.

 

Anyway, I know you mean well, but your statements reveal a lack of deeper knowledge regarding these cars in specific.

 

Spoken like a true gentleman.

 

I would like to add:

As much as i love Lambos, the CGT and SLR are in a different league imo.For one thing and i know this will come across as being biased because i own a 722 ,one of the main reasons i bought the SLR is the engine compartment.When you open the hood the engine bay is a work of art.The attention to detail is just mind blowing and the fit and finish of the car is beyond anything else i have owned and i have had my fair share of cars.

The amount of attention the slr gathers is annoying.I thought for sure it would be stealthier than a Lambo but i found it to be even worse and that is the only reason it would not make a good daily driver.

I don't ever see myself selling the 722.

 

Jonny what have you started!

 

Buddy, get the Zonda you always wanted and call it a day! SLR is arguably in the same ligue as your CGT, and remember "never downgrade, always up!".

 

Right .. So the CGT is a phenomenal car , but totally unusable in central london . It won't get down the ramp of my underground car park , and the clutch is a bitch in traffic .. So basically all enjoyment is lost in the car

 

I'm not looking for a pissing match as to which looks better or attracts the most snatch , just which car i'm going to get the most enjoyment out of .

 

I love the looks of the SLR , and loved the SL55 back in the day when I had one ... Only thing is , will the SLR hold my attention (i.e does it have the WOW factor of the CGT , but with usability) .. Or would I just think the same of a SL55 with a 600bhp pulley kit ?

 

Hovik is ultimately right with the Zonda as i'd forget about any probs with it, but they are thin on the ground and really expensive at the moment

sounds like the LP would be the way to go, maybe with a E-gear

I love the looks of the SLR , and loved the SL55 back in the day when I had one ... Only thing is , will the SLR hold my attention (i.e does it have the WOW factor of the CGT , but with usability) .. Or would I just think the same of a SL55 with a 600bhp pulley kit ?

 

you just answered ur own questions. put all doubt to rest. u love the looks of the slr? check! you loved the sl55? check (now times by 100) and the only thing you are wondering? will it hold ur attention? step on the gas- check!

 

you will NEVER EVER think of the slr as an sl55 with a pulley kit. the only time u might confuse it with an sl55 is when ur in bumper to bumpber traffic and you have a cd playing, chilling with some ice cold ac or warming up with some heat. this car does everything so well.

 

but when u step on it, or take a fast corner or brake hard- there will be NO doubt this car is special.

 

i drove an slr and a sl65 back to back for about hour and the sl65 felt like an out of control missle. fast yes- but defintiely too much engine for the chassis.

 

i kid u not- the slr is perfect in almost every way. u might get bored of it but most of us get bored of our cars sooner or later anyway.

 

truth is, the regular slr is a far better all round performer as the 722 is very stiff and a bit more flashy.

 

 

 

I seriously searched for a CGT about a year ago. Finally found the right one at the right price, $335k, 2100 miles, silver with ascot and the goofy ass two tone steering wheel. I drove the car a total of 21 miles, couldn't get into it, then sold it to a broker within a week, who then resold it to a dealer up north for a HEFTY profit. I can't justify the meteoric rise in price on these cars, there was a 9000 mile car in miami that sat around last year for nearly 8 months at $285 with no takers, within two months one german car dealer came down and purchased everything that was in sight, damage history or not.

 

As far as the SLR goes, just not my cup of tea. Jonny5 is lucky, where he's from, he can actually buy the CGT that I really want!

 

In all fairness to the SLR Jonny, a guy I know here in NYC bought about 13 cars in 8 months from Mark Solomon, including 2 brand new LP640s. Got bored and out of them within weeks, traded in 2 Bentley Speeds for an SLR about a month or so ago and says couldn't be happier with the car and is a keeper. He daily drives it in the Wall st. area in Manhattan if that says anything about the usability of the car in a congested city.