Tiko Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Anyone else find it funny how every country looks at the US for help when shit hits the fan but whenever a disaster occurs in the US (Katrina) we're pretty much stuck to sort things out on our own.. Dont recal Japan helping us out after Katrina. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortis Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Anyone else find it funny how every country looks at the US for help when shit hits the fan but whenever a disaster occurs in the US (Katrina) we're pretty much stuck to sort things out on our own.. Dont recal Japan helping us out after Katrina. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheelsRCool Report post Posted March 27, 2011 My apologies to Albert-LP, wasn't trying to be insulting (didn't realize he is speaking in what to him is a second language) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob Burgundy Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Anyone else find it funny how every country looks at the US for help when shit hits the fan but whenever a disaster occurs in the US (Katrina) we're pretty much stuck to sort things out on our own.. Dont recal Japan helping us out after Katrina. NEXT http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english...768313e-02.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG x Lambo Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Anyone else find it funny how every country looks at the US for help when shit hits the fan but whenever a disaster occurs in the US (Katrina) we're pretty much stuck to sort things out on our own.. Dont recal Japan helping us out after Katrina. :wacko: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentS Report post Posted March 27, 2011 Dont recal Japan helping us out after Katrina. I guess you missed this, it was linked to in this very thread!!! But who the hell reads a thread or gets their facts straight before making a comment. Japan Proves Truly "A Friend Indeed" After Hurricane Katrina Japanese government, companies, individuals send assistance to victims Read more: http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english...l#ixzz1HqPcZ0Ec Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiko Report post Posted March 27, 2011 I guess you missed this, it was linked to in this very thread!!! But who the hell reads a thread or gets their facts straight before making a comment. Japan Proves Truly "A Friend Indeed" After Hurricane Katrina Japanese government, companies, individuals send assistance to victims Read more: http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english...l#ixzz1HqPcZ0Ec sorry I didn't read all 20 pages in this thread.. Ah I feel like an idiot now for posting that, really had no idea Japen helped out. Good for them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickSimmons Report post Posted March 28, 2011 Another thing about that insanely high number report; 100,000 times normal is a hell of a multiple, but that's because normal is effectively 0. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted March 28, 2011 Don't be so harsh on Wheels for that, but for the fact that he thinks engineers write well :lol2: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowchaser Report post Posted March 28, 2011 Anyone else find it funny how every country looks at the US for help when shit hits the fan but whenever a disaster occurs in the US (Katrina) we're pretty much stuck to sort things out on our own.. Dont recal Japan helping us out after Katrina. A lot of international help was offered after Katrina. My country (The Netherlands) also offered equipment and engineers to immediately help out. However it was politely refused by the US government saying that they were fine on their own... So all we could do is watch CNN and see a single bulldozer trying to close a hole in the dike... I think something similar happened in Japan.. their government also refused a lot of help that was offered initially after the quake and tsunami. Can't figure out why governments are so ignorant at times... only as a last resort they allow international help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowchaser Report post Posted March 28, 2011 Meltdown now confirmed at reactor 2 ... that's serious... Seems someone was right here after all... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted March 28, 2011 it's not serious, it's MORE than serious reactors were without any cooling for days, a melting process was sure to happen: the question is just how big it is. Reactors history log Fortunately radioactivity is going down, but it's still 100 times the standard safety level (0,035 μSv per hour) at Fukushima ant three times at Tokyo 21 march 27 march ciao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fortis Report post Posted March 28, 2011 Where are you guys getting your info, I keep an eye on this website: http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html there is no mention of a meltdown of reactor 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_chaos Report post Posted March 28, 2011 BBC and AP are commenting on the data issues. From what I have read the company that runs the plant are less than trustworthy when it comes to factual recording of info but I cannot find the report I read which lists their cockups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted March 28, 2011 Where are you guys getting your info, I keep an eye on this website: http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html there is no mention of a meltdown of reactor 2 they will be the last on earth to admit this, but its 100% sure: enormous radioactivity in the n.2 reactor water means it's going on. Trust me. ciao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterShake Report post Posted March 28, 2011 Reactor No. 2 . Radiation levels in pooled water tested in the No. 2 nuclear reactor's turbine building are 100,000 times normal, utility company and government officials said Sunday, correcting an earlier finding of 10 million times normal. The reading applies to radioactive iodine-131, which has a half-life of eight days. . Iodine-134, which loses half its radioactive atoms every 53 minutes, was at less than a detectable amount, officials said, correcting an earlier figure of 2.9 billion becquerels per cubic centimeter. . There was no indication of harm done to the two people working in and around the No. 2 reactor when the radiation result became known. Those two subsequently left, and work in the turbine building has stopped until the government signs off on the power company's plan to address the issue, according to an official with the Tokyo Electric Power Co., which runs the plant. . A Tokyo Electric official noted Sunday that people continued to work in other buildings -- including a control room, which got power and light for the first time in weeks the previous afternoon -- in the No. 2 reactor's complex. . Also, fresh water was pumped Sunday into the No. 2 unit's reactor core as well as its spent nuclear fuel pool. . Damage is "suspected" in this unit's containment vessel, according to the Japan Atomic Industrial Forum. The reactor's core is also thought to be damaged, but the building has only been "slightly damaged," the group reports. . Even though the temperature and pressure levels are "unknown," the containment vessel pressure is considered "stable," the nuclear industry trade group reports. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/...atus/index.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted March 28, 2011 correct measures Reactor 2 at 27 march 2011 enormous radiation level in the water (> 1000 μSv per hour): melting, with no doubt. That's lethal in few minutes. Hope they can stop melting, but how? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emanon Report post Posted March 28, 2011 correct measures Reactor 2 at 27 march 2011 enormous radiation level in the water (> 1000 μSv per hour): melting, with no doubt. That's lethal in few minutes. Hope they can stop melting, but how? Ummm, want to double check your stats there. 1000μSv (MicroSv) = 1mSv For reference: A standard Mammogram = 3mSv Chest CT Scan = 5.8mSv Dose limit for emergency workers protecting property = 100 mSv Dose causing symptoms of radiation poisoning = 400mSv Severe radiation poisoning = 2000mSv (2Sv) So either your unit notation is wrong, or people are blowing this way out of proportion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortis Report post Posted March 28, 2011 they will be the last on earth to admit this, but its 100% sure: enormous radioactivity in the n.2 reactor water means it's going on. Trust me. ciao Why would that be the case? Facts are facts, sooner or later the truth will be uncovered if IAEA is lying now they risk to lose credibility, do you think such a large organization will want to lose their credibility over a single incident? It is not their fault the incident occurred, they are just monitoring it and reporting on it, I know they have an interest but hiding the truth will have a bigger negative impact than telling it, they aren't saying that the situation is not bad, they are saying it is very bad but what I can't see anywhere in their report yet is that the number 2 reactor is melting: http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html "On the positive side, electrical power has been restored at Units 1, 2 and 3 and fresh water is now available on the site." I am sorry Albert nothing against you but I tend to believe the information provided by a large organisation that have people on the ground monitoring the situation over you telling me to trust you. CNN I don't trust them as far as I can throw them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted March 29, 2011 Just one thing: if radioactivity around the plant is low or not so big, why there are not hundreds of electricians, firefighters, workers, bulldozers, concrete pumps, working around the power plant without any safety device? I learned in my life that large organizations do not ever say complete truth: at the end we learned there were not mass distruction weapons in Iraq... and Russia in 1986 did not admit even some minor problems to Cernobyl power plant until we had here over Italy and Europe an enormous radioactive cloud... Russians admitted problems to Chernobyl plant one week later That's history, not my opinion. We all will know how big is this Fukushima problem just in some years, as nobody (of the large organizations) wants to know how big it is. There are some organizations that already says how big it is (Greenpeace is one) but nobody wants to hear what says. These japanese are very good workers and have a lot of knowledge, they won't lie like russian did, so we will learn more and quicker, but not all. ciao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortis Report post Posted March 29, 2011 Albert you know always the truth is somewhere in the middle, let's hope for the best. I am not surprised nobody listens to the Greenpeace tree huggers, do you think they will have nice words to say about the Japanese after the whole whale hunting war they have going on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyling Report post Posted March 29, 2011 holly.. this is not good. the whole north east, east and south side of China detects radiation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRG x Lambo Report post Posted March 29, 2011 holly.. this is not good. the whole north east, east and south side of China detects radiation. i'd have to assume south korea is also facing similar issues if eastern/southern china is detecting? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert-LP Report post Posted March 29, 2011 Ummm, want to double check your stats there. 1000μSv (MicroSv) = 1mSv For reference: A standard Mammogram = 3mSv Chest CT Scan = 5.8mSv Dose limit for emergency workers protecting property = 100 mSv Dose causing symptoms of radiation poisoning = 400mSv Severe radiation poisoning = 2000mSv (2Sv) So either your unit notation is wrong, or people are blowing this way out of proportion. i wanted to write "> 1000 mSv", not "> 1000 μSv": sorry, i wrote the wrong letter, of course. That's big, and very dangerous. ciao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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