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A bit of a misnomer this conversation...... It's Clarkson, May & Hammond that made TG.....not simply Clarkson. Therefore it Evans....and whoever and whoever which will be the deciding factor...not simply Evans. The format of modern Top Gear was taken from Evans show...TFI Friday, following discussion between Clarkson & Evans at that time. I personally have no idea as to whether it will work; I think it is little presumptuous to simply say Evans is a seasoned pro and therefore it will all be fine. Personally I think he will try a little too hard....and that may ruin it...or it may simply be a radically different format and therefore incomparable. The allure of the show up until now was that they really didn't appear to care too much about anything...and having met Clarkson a few times over the years, that was not an act...he really is that person....good or bad.

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Maybe 60 -100 it's a better performer ? This is exactly where the performance difference becomes abundantly clear. 328 much better around a track ? It is nearly 10 seconds slower around Fiorano. Everything you are saying is simply incorrect.

It's pretty but not striking enough for a lambo...and who needs 910hp in a car of this ilk

The single turbo was on for the first 2 years with the factory cars, then twins......because of the nutty lag. If well built / looked after, they really shouldn't handle too badly, at least for a car of this era.... I had a passenger run in a supposed K car recreation.....and was utterly terrified I have to say.... All this aside....Moby Dick was a crazy dinosaur even in '78...800+hp at 1.2 bar.....to try and keep with the new boys in town....on the straights at least...

So casual with what must be such a valuable car.....kudos to Porsche for their ever down to earth attitude...

The Carrera also had the 915 gearbox, albeit with revised ratios ....until '87... I always found the S4 auto a bit all or nothing until cruising speeds.....with a very aggressive kickdown.

They are very overpriced, as are 930's now sadly. They are neither historic nor rare, simply an older variant of a model currently in production.....BUT, as with all things cars....if people will pay the money.....

Ya.....I agree, finally.....anything shy of 500hp aint worth tiffany cufflinks...so booooring

Thank you for the explanation :-) An interesting cultural development ...... Shakotan boogie....very cool

A lot of fuss over a body kit and an exhaust......and that dash screams ferrplaystation...it's not for me I'd hit it.....

Apologies for placing this in the general L section....but there are clearly many shared designs here. Mad car.....great front end.

The problem is the old 911 is not toooooooo far removed from the modern 911....essentially still the same model line. Other comparative cars of the era, such as the Dino etc...are also fetching silly money, but are models very unique to the era. That said, the 2.7 was highly regarded in '72 however....and because of that it is what it is today... I have no idea why the 2.8 RSR doesn't get the exposure of the 2.7 however...as it absolutely should. As you say the fact is you could spend very little on the standard 'S' and have the same car exactly.....but that's not the point with these original car classics.....and as you say; if you have the money ! I for one wouldn't spend anything close to that on a 2.7 or a Dino.....especially the Dino The 3.6 'S' has never been peanuts.....but the prices today are stupid. The 'flaubach' variant fetches even more....it's all down to rarity and 'special' factory models.... http://www.rhcollectibles.com/web/used/Por...n-Ohio/1305861/

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale...au-for-sale-645 http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale...au-for-sale-623 But not for the money.....silly.

A genuine fear inducing monster of a noise I think......very unique pitch and can't quite figure if I like it or if it suits the car.

Very Tron... Not to hijack the post....but can someone with a better understanding of the culture please explain what is going on here.... is this comic book art brought to life ?

Now mod the Bug to the same factor :-)

Strangely the Ferrari was no faster in fact...

Not all the comments :-) ' But the Countach is truly amazing. People forget that Walter Wolf got hold of that thing and made it a proper drivers' car. Mate of mine you might know called Harry Metcalfe has a four-valve version and it still feels fast enough to scare the crap out an unsuspecting passenger. But it kind of stops and the steering is pretty delicious at speed. Anything that looks like it should deliver the ultimate driving experience and then gets very, very close is a hero car ' This is THE valid and real world FACT. Sadly, there is a counter argument for this too... On the internet everyone knows best and everyone reverts to being 7 years old...with a top trumps attitude. The vast majority of owners have no clue about their cars, bar the top trump statistics, and I would wager will never use more than 60% of the cars true all round potential. We have covered this argument at every new model launch...and since, as per Allan's comments above, computers and tech have taken over the automotive development world, post F40 era, the possibilities and relative capabilities of these machines have far left us behind.....and at the same time...forgotten what it is all about. What makes a desirable supercar for THE OWNERS, rather than the magasines, is and will always be not what it can ultimately do...rather, what it does to and for you. Hence, the elements of looks, noise, engine sizes, acceleration and 'it has turbos' etc..... If the fastest and most capable car looked like a Fiat Mulitipla, made no noise, and had a 1L fission engine..........how many would be interested. I absolutely have as much fun, and receive as much of a rush, in my CT as anyone can or will have in a P1 or similar. Of course, it is a far far far far less capable machine in every single aspect except perhaps visually, and yet, taking into account the above, the supercar ownership factor is equal. The overall experience and what that delivers hence is what these cars have always been and should still be all about. I am not saying older cars are the answer of course, that would be nonsense. Hence, the counter argument to this of course being that in order to achieve this equal level of return in older and simpler cars, these pre tech cars have to be, and should be, driven as intended...i.e. hard and close, but safely, to their limits. Here we find the true difference to modern tech machines, they are of course massively flawed in comparison to modern cars in every aspect and so the risks are much higher. Contrary to Chis Harris comments on the Countach...it is far from the ultimate driving machine because of this. And to make a statement such as this whilst in the same paragraph putting that 'it kind of stops' doesn't leave a lot to be desired in terms of reality or journalistic authenticity...as we all know a car is only as capable as it's brakes....which doesn't make the CT very capable...at all. So, as Allan has correctly hinted at...............bring the tech in to rectify the older cars flaws in a modern machine....really very easy to do and let's get back on track. Yes, reg's have changed, but at the same time affordable new materials are available as we know, and so make it look like an Aventador, sound like one, shed some weight, lose a good deal of the tech...keep it basic and make it feel like you are driving it rather than the other way around........MUCH more rewarding. Who needs to pull xxG at 220mph ? Honestly ? Have I strayed off course...possibly ? Anyway, perhaps CH has a few valid starting points... Edit: An ideal comparison being the first affordable 'modern supercar', and I use this term lightly in this particular case....the 993 TT; if I am brutally honest, I had more FUN, albeit with a lot more scares, in my modified 930 than I ever did in the 993 tt............it was a chalk and cheese comparison. Yes, the 993 was a 'better and far more capable' car in every way, by a country mile, and yet did this improve the ownership experience for me...no. In fact quite the opposite. It was too easy to drive fast, it was too easy to get around a corner...and if I am honest it lacked ten fold the driver 'connection' of the earlier car....and why ? Over Tech.

Sounded......tight and strong. This is what should be coming straight from Lambo....no question.

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