WheelsRCool Report post Posted August 1, 2015 Honestly, I think this is all making a mountain out of a molehill, as we are mostly all in agreement about the lion's behavior. My point was just about how many people attach significance to certain animals based on their appearance and perception, such as the "noble lion" versus the "evil hyena" and thus why I think much of the outrage over this lion being shot is overblown. But I do think you are mistaken if you think mammal animals can't distinguish between basic right and wrong to a degree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbe Report post Posted August 1, 2015 On a side note, one of the 5 last remaining white rhinos has died. So now they are down to 4, And only one of them is a male. If you have the opportunity, go see one. They are about to be extinct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbe Report post Posted August 1, 2015 Lions caring about right and wrong? Lions are like the honey badger. Honey badger don't give a fcuk! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortis Report post Posted August 1, 2015 My issue is..what are you exactly risking by hunting a dangerous animal like he was? Correct me if I'm wrong but one sits in a truck, probably with night vision goggles on, and waits for the animal to walk by. Where's the risk? Now if he was without a car, that is at least something. If he was out with a shotgun... This how real men do it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortis Report post Posted August 1, 2015 You're a big fat quitter. Get back in there you lazy bastard. Yes Sir! My house is an easy target from the air, do you think I'd disobey a direct order from you?? The answer you are looking for is HELL NO!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawr Report post Posted August 1, 2015 This how real men do it I'm in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortis Report post Posted August 1, 2015 I'm in. As long as I don't have to dress like they do and get to walk behind you at all times Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheelsRCool Report post Posted August 1, 2015 This how real men do it I honestly don't get how people can go and just shoot at the animal with no risk involved and act like they're some big-shot or something. I mean if you're hunting animals for food, sure, but if you're doing it as a sport, and against something that's supposed to be a great predator, well I mean do it the prehistoric way, go out with a spear and hunt down the lion, then throw the spear into it. That shows true hunting skills. And even with hunting for food, many men like it because it can be a quite physical exercise. You can be out in the freezing cold for hours stalking and then lying in wait for the animal, then you have to have a way to haul it back, etc...but lure out a lion, then shoot it when the guides point, then cut off the head and skin it, what skill or fun is there in that? That is an awesome video though, I know primitive hunters hunt with spears and some do persistence running to run down deer (humans can run down deer over distance in hot climates), however never heard of directly facing off against lions to steal meat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo91 Report post Posted August 1, 2015 now his brother's dead.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-31...bwean-park.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placid Report post Posted August 1, 2015 And I think you are wrong if you think that animals cannot distinguish between right and wrong. Go kill some baby lions and don't be surprised if the lions hunt you down for revenge. Kill or torture an elephant or baby elephant and you may get hunted by the elephant for revenge Your example is not a matter of right or wrong or revenge, it's a matter of survival. If you pose a threat to the animal, of course it's going to protect itself by any means necessary. And what's right or wrong will always be dependent on your point of view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheelsRCool Report post Posted August 1, 2015 Your example is not a matter of right or wrong or revenge, it's a matter of survival. If you pose a threat to the animal, of course it's going to protect itself by any means necessary. And what's right or wrong will always be dependent on your point of view. It was revenge on the part of these animals. Not something done for survival purposes, but explicitly to get back at those responsible. Another example is if you throw rocks at monkeys. Many have found out the hard way that the monkeys will take revenge when a gang of them shows up later and starts throwing their feces at you. Revenge can take multiple forms I remember my pet beagle, who when we (my mom, sister, and I, this was back in the 1990s) would go out anywhere, proceeded to do the following to get revenge: 1) Tear up pillows 2) Try to yank the table cloth off the table (with everything on it) 3) Poop on the floor and then stomp through the poop so there would be poop prints all over the place Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR Report post Posted August 1, 2015 Your example is not a matter of right or wrong or revenge, it's a matter of survival. If you pose a threat to the animal, of course it's going to protect itself by any means necessary. You mean similar to how Wheels would post a counterpoint to every post that disagrees with his views? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
white viper Report post Posted August 2, 2015 2 soon ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheelsRCool Report post Posted August 2, 2015 You mean similar to how Wheels would post a counterpoint to every post that disagrees with his views? That is my OCD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortitude Report post Posted August 2, 2015 This how real men do it Are these people even neolithic yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinV10 Report post Posted August 2, 2015 It was revenge on the part of these animals. Not something done for survival purposes, but explicitly to get back at those responsible. Revenge can take multiple forms biggrin.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM-S8 Report post Posted August 2, 2015 I'm burning all Hemingway's books today ...and I'm peeing on Teddy Roosevelt's grave MAJOR assholes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assman Report post Posted August 2, 2015 I'm burning all Hemingway's books today Do you know the story behind the Teddy bear? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortis Report post Posted August 2, 2015 I'm burning all Hemingway's books today It's called evolution, what's the point in killing those animals? You hungry have no options and you are into lion ass by all means, the damn thing attacks you go for it but just because you want to pose over a dead animal carcass looking like you are the tough one just because you are holding a gun I do think you are a major asshole and I really do not care who you are, an asshole is an asshole! I am not obsessed with animals but I believe in cohabitation, I deal with people in exactly the same way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo91 Report post Posted August 2, 2015 It's called evolution, what's the point in killing those animals? You hungry have no options and you are into lion ass by all means, the damn thing attacks you go for it but just because you want to pose over a dead animal carcass looking like you are the tough one just because you are holding a gun I do think you are a major asshole and I really do not care who you are, an asshole is an asshole! I am not obsessed with animals but I believe in cohabitation, I deal with people in exactly the same way. ^ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnythebull Report post Posted August 2, 2015 I'm burning all Hemingway's books today Different time. The animals were way more plentiful and it wasn't so easy for rich pricks to fly over and blast one for no reason. Ther world has moved on , do you want slavery and witch burning brought back too? Whether you like it or not trophy hunting with no use for the meat of a rare animal is just unacceptable and is now the arena of people with mental issues and or tiny dicks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawr Report post Posted August 2, 2015 I do not like the killers, and the killing bravely and well crap. I do not like the bully boys, the Teddy Roosevelt’s, the Hemingways, the Ruarks. They are merely slightly more sophisticated versions of the New Jersey file clerks who swarm into the Adirondacks in the fall, in red cap, beard stubble and taut hero’s grin, talking out of the side of their mouths, exuding fumes of bourbon, come to slay the ferocious white-tailed deer. It is the search for balls. A man should have one chance to bring something down. He should have his shot at something, a shining running something, and see it come a-tumbling down, all mucus and steaming blood stench and gouted excrement, the eyes going dull during the final muscle spasms. And if he is, in all parts and purposes, a man, he will file that away as a part of his process of growth and life and eventual death. And if he is perpetually, hopelessly a boy, he will lust to go do it again, with a bigger beast.” ― John D. MacDonald, A Deadly Shade of Gold Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheelsRCool Report post Posted August 3, 2015 You make no sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheelsRCool Report post Posted August 3, 2015 I'm burning all Hemingway's books today MAJOR assholes! It's probably that people thought differently about animals back then. It wasn't like today where we have a much better understanding of animal psychology, concept of animal rights, etc...I believe Teddy Roosevelt also held some eugenicist beliefs as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDoctor Report post Posted August 3, 2015 Are these people even neolithic yet? Sadly not. The lions will outsmart them, very soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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