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Congrats! Car looks great! What kind of trim is that on the dash? Is that a special trim request through Ad Personam?

To be fair, only the SVJ is a dog on most tracks around the world, except the Ring. The Performante is actually very good across most tracks around the world.

DoctaM3, I just want to let you know that I'm not singling you out but just using your post as my response to other posters on this thread as well. Many years ago, I was an engineer by trade, worked at Multimatic and Delphi for a few years before giving up engineering and going into the other direction. Ok, let's get the math out of the way first. Downforce = 0.5*W (width of the wing) * H (thickness of the wing) * F (coefficient) * Speed squared. So as you can see, downforce is dependent on speed. Using the Huracan Performante as an example, Lamborghini claims that the Performante produces 350kg (770lbs) of downforce at 300km/h (186mph). Using quick math, we find out the constant (W*H*F = 0.00777778). From this, the downforce produced by the Performante at 160km/h (100mph) is roughly 100kg (220lbs). I'm using 100mph, because you said you could feel the difference on the canyons, and I think for most people, taking corners on the canyon at about 100mph is pretty much as fast as anyone would go. I'm not talking about straight lines, but taking corners at 100mph. So at 100mph, your Performante is producing 220lbs of downforce. Now, so that there is no confusion for everybody here, 220lbs of downforce is the TOTAL downforce. So you need to split the downforce between the front and the back of the car. I don't have the exact split of the downforce, since Lamborghini doesn't provide that info publicly, but I would assume that this is somewhere in the range of 35:65 split between the front and the back. So now, your 220 is split between 77lbs (front) and 143lbs (back). The ALA technology by Lamborghini claims that it can split the downforce between the right and left side of the car. But what that means in reality is that it can only REDUCE (remove downforce) the downforce on one side of the car over the other to help with rotation. So on the canyons, by reducing 38.5lbs (it's 77 divided by 2) on the inside front wheel, how much faster can you take that corner? My thoughts exactly..... So the performance difference that you experienced is NOT from the ALA, but rather, you are experiencing the hours of engineering development of the suspension/tire technology on the Performante over the regular Huracans, not the 38.5lbs of downforce that Lambo removed for you to help you with rotation. I have spoken at length with Porsche engineers in Weissach about the ALA system and they concluded that in order for the ALA to be effective, the car needs to generate at least 1200kg of downforce at top speed and taking corners at 160+mph. Is there any race track in the world where you take corners at 160mph+ ? This is why Porsche doesn't use systems similar to ALA and this is why Pagani had to add a big ass wing to the Hyuara BC later on because their original active aeros doesn't do squat. I'm guessing STO didn't use the ALA for the same reasons as well. P.S. I placed my order on the STO as well. I'm excited to see it and read the reviews on the STO as they become available. This is the first Lambo with the ethos of less is more.

I think ALA is just marketing BS if you ask me. I think if it were so effective, you would be seeing the other major brands jumping all over it.

That would be an interesting market to watch. Those 5 million plus special edition Chiron is definitely in a complete separate market altogether. I have to assume those cars will be going into some amazing collections and as such, they won't be coming onto the secondary market in the short term. I can't imagine anybody with only 5-6 cars in their garage buying a 5 million plus Bugatti and selling it in less than a year

I agree with your view on this. The one-offs are just an exercise of special paint and leather interior. Fundamentally, these special one-offs needs to be based on a production vehicle in order to make it road legal, so in that sense, it's not a special car. I think the real collector cars are probably in the "few-offs", assuming you buy the right ones (eg. Project One, Valkyrie, ThethetheFerrari, P1, 918, etc).

Fantastic! I had the red Countach bird eye view poster on my wall, with all of the specs listed

Not possible. Transmission tunnel area is too small.

The Veneno is just like the Reventon. A glorified bodykit car unfortunately. Beautiful to look at, but nothing different from an engineering perspective.

I don't know about the long term value on the Sian, but I agree you with this one-off interpretation of the Aventador is the best one so far. The supercapacitor fixing the ISR gearbox is really Lamborghini to trying to put a band-aid on a fundamental engineering design flaw that has been plaguing the Aventador since the beginning. If the Aventador had the latest dual clutch gearbox from Porsche or Ferrari, the Aventador would be 2secs faster from 0-150 right away.

So much for quality. I took this picture of the Veneno show car at the Museum last week.

Well, 30k for a 650K car doesn't sound so bad

Anybody know the price of the Balboni exhaust?

Strong $$$ for the Lambo!

I will be at Maranello to spec out my 812 GTS on Wednesday. Going to the Lamborghini factory for a tour as well