D.Wiggs Report post Posted February 8, 2012 The rear bumper. Sorry Kevin, I couldn't resist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emanon Report post Posted February 8, 2012 A new division of the company was formed (Covert Tuning Dynamics) just prior to this project. IPS Motorsports has been around and has (and has had) the world record 1/4 time for an IRS Corvette so making fast cars isn't exactly new to them. Maybe one day they will catch up with the IRS viper guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-351 Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Ok. The problem that I posted is this: Not only are the bends in those pipes terrible for airflow (and thus power) but the big mistake is to have them connect the way they do. You should never have a situation where the exhaust gasses from one turbo could flow back into the other turbo. They should have seperate, better flowing exhausts. Yes, you must be right as they only made 1,950 WHP with the same X-pipe setup! How about the 9.1 @ 177 mph on regular street tires? What about 250 mph in the standing mile? How about the 60-130 of a 3.04? Damn their shit sucks! You should be able to cover all those number with no problem! 6 weeks and 4 days! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinnsella Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Another lambo power pillow fight... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Wiggs Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Yes, you must be right. All you ever need to remember. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asscelerator Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Exhaust pipes connecting together is wrong, it's terrible for flow. Better make separate exhaust for each cylinder. 12 exhausts flow better than 2, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Wiggs Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Exhaust pipes connecting together is wrong, it's terrible for flow. Better make separate exhaust for each cylinder. 12 exhausts flow better than 2, right? Don't forget 180° bends. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-351 Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Since you are rebutting his argument why don't you provide that information? For every claim he has made, you have taken a defensive stance. Therefore, you must have inside information to dispute. Do you? Or are you just trying to jump on the band wagon. I haven't seen you around much, but you've been very vocal in calling Wiggs out, calling his goals idiotic (with many more words). What do you know about turbo Lamborghini's, and who are you to argue for a tuner? I'd be surprised if the answer is intelligent. Best I'm just using common sense. You should try it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pockmark Report post Posted February 8, 2012 31 reading the topic and counting.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Craws Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Wigger THOUGHT the... Seriously? 37 post... More then 30 directed to Wiggs. This guy has a major hard on for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asscelerator Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Don't forget 180° bends. An X-pipe essentially allows flow from both sides to mix on each side of the exhaust. It's not as clear cut as you say it is, and I'm coming from an engineering background. You can't eyeball this shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Wiggs Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Seriously? 37 post... More then 30 directed to Wiggs. This guy has a major hard on for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Wiggs Report post Posted February 8, 2012 An X-pipe essentially allows flow from both sides to mix on each side of the exhaust. It's not as clear cut as you say it is, and I'm coming from an engineering background. You can't eyeball this shit I know what one is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin2772 Report post Posted February 8, 2012 The rear bumper. Sorry Kevin, I couldn't resist. Well played sir.....well played... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ag02M5 Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Not interested in the pillow fight but the engineering of the turbo kit. It does seem that this design also routes heat inward toward the intercooler and the transmission, in addition to the 180 bend. It seems like you could reverse the setup and somehow pull the air in from under the decklid or the factory location. The intercooler would need some design changes but then your exhaust would have a shorter and straighter path, basically 90 degrees and out. The hot side is also toward the outside of the car. Thoughts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan-Herbie Report post Posted February 8, 2012 see how fun i make lp! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emanon Report post Posted February 8, 2012 An X-pipe essentially allows flow from both sides to mix on each side of the exhaust. It's not as clear cut as you say it is, and I'm coming from an engineering background. You can't eyeball this shit See this is very helpful in a motor with alternating (left bank, right bank) exhaust pulse flow, but in a turbo application that is greatly muted by positive turbo drive pressure (exhaust back pressure), and/or paired cylinder firing on opposite banks. In either of those cases is becomes all but nothing more than esthetics. I don't really want to get into the physics of pulse flow, pulse reverberation off the spinning turbine wheel, paired cylinder firing, blah blah in Wiggs thread, but if it comes to that I'm your huckleberry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFilipinoStig Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
houstonT Report post Posted February 8, 2012 No exhaust coming off the turbo's FTW...RACECAR SHIT! Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Craws Report post Posted February 8, 2012 I bet you've been waiting so patiently for the right circumstances to have a chance to use that picture ^ lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Wiggs Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Not interested in the pillow fight but the engineering of the turbo kit. It does seem that this design also routes heat inward toward the intercooler and the transmission, in addition to the 180 bend. It seems like you could reverse the setup and somehow pull the air in from under the decklid or the factory location. The intercooler would need some design changes but then your exhaust would have a shorter and straighter path, basically 90 degrees and out. The hot side is also toward the outside of the car. Thoughts? See this is very helpful in a motor with alternating (left bank, right bank) exhaust pulse flow, but in a turbo application that is greatly muted by positive turbo drive pressure (exhaust back pressure), and/or paired cylinder firing on opposite banks. In either of those cases is becomes all but nothing more than esthetics. I don't really want to get into the physics of pulse flow, pulse reverberation off the spinning turbine wheel, paired cylinder firing, blah blah in Wiggs thread, but if it comes to that I'm your huckleberry. HALLELUJAH!!! or however the fcuk you spell it!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberry Report post Posted February 8, 2012 interesting thread we have here... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpDarks Report post Posted February 8, 2012 Fail #1. In theory the X pipe setup should increase exhaust velocity, creating a suction effect from the opposing cylinder bank. This applies in NA applications, not sure if it works as well in turbo applications as the exhaust gasses are routed through the turbo before the X pipe anyway. I want to say that Heffners older TT setups did not have the X pipe. His newer ones do, so I can only assume it works. Would be fun to get some input from David or Jason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emanon Report post Posted February 8, 2012 In theory the X pipe setup should increase exhaust velocity, creating a suction effect from the opposing cylinder bank. This applies in NA applications, not sure if it works as well in turbo applications as the exhaust gasses are routed through the turbo before the X pipe anyway. I want to say that Heffners older TT setups did not have the X pipe. His newer ones do, so I can only assume it works. Would be fun to get some input from David or Jason. See my above post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpDarks Report post Posted February 8, 2012 See my above post. So maybe they do it for sound reasons alone? Otherwise, why bother? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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