Occupy a bathtub already

So whats your take on this?

 

I don't want this to turn into a political debate, and I certainly won't mind if a mod steps in if things get too heated, but I'm curious on your take on the protests?

 

I personally support them on almost every front.

So whats your take on this?

 

I don't want this to turn into a political debate, and I certainly won't mind if a mod steps in if things get too heated, but I'm curious on your take on the protests?

 

I personally support them on almost every front.

 

Really? These are their "Demands"... Youre seriously telling me you support ANY of this?

 

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

 

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

 

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

 

Demand four: Free college education.

 

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

 

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

 

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

 

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

 

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

 

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

 

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

 

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

 

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

 

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.

 

So... Lets sum this up shall we: "We want EVERYTHING, and we want YOU TO PAY FOR IT." Thats what my 8 year old demands.... Which is why he's not in charge.

 

Half the "demands" are economically contradicted by the others... They should throw in a demand for "Free Unicorns" and "Pots of gold at the end of every rainbow" too.

 

Theyre a bunch of fcuking idiots, sitting on a city sidewalk... I think its time we call them what they really are: HOMELESS PEOPLE, and start giving them the same amount of attention.

 

 

fcuking whiney cunts.

I guess the left needed their own version of the tea party. I consider myself liberal but even to me, a lot of the things I'm hearing from this crowd are embarrassing.

The WORST protest in the history of all protests. It's an ignorant group of socialists. Part of their list:

There were signs protesting racism, President Obama, Republicans, Democrats, hunger and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There were as many signs supporting workers' rights, hunger-striking prisoners, higher taxes for millionaires and an overhaul of the country's financial system.

 

 

Occupy Wall Street, a leaderless organization, also has become known as a movement with plenty of complaints and few specific demands other than holding banks and major corporations responsible for the country's economic crisis.

 

 

Hey guys did we leave anything out? Let's protest protesters!

Ok some of them are a little far-fetched, but others such as free education, free health care have been implemented in other places and work very well. On top of that, other implications such as bringing all of the troops home from around the world and increased regulation on the financial institutions' activities, would benefit everyone and reduce the risk that people are facing.

 

On one side I understand where they are coming from; opportunities aren't equal as they could be (realistically). But on the other hand I feel that (as you pointed out) their demands are either unrealistic or they just don't know what they want specifically, they just know things aren't how they should be.

 

Its just too easy to call them out as homeless or whatever. It doesn't solve anything.

Really? These are their "Demands"... Youre seriously telling me you support ANY of this?

 

 

 

So... Lets sum this up shall we: "We want EVERYTHING, and we want YOU TO PAY FOR IT." Thats what my 8 year old demands.... Which is why he's not in charge.

 

Half the "demands" are economically contradicted by the others... They should throw in a demand for "Free Unicorns" and "Pots of gold at the end of every rainbow" too.

 

Theyre a bunch of fcuking idiots, sitting on a city sidewalk... I think its time we call them what they really are: HOMELESS PEOPLE, and start giving them the same amount of attention.

 

 

fcuking whiney cunts.

 

My sentiments exactly.

I guess the left needed their own version of the tea party. I consider myself liberal but even to me, a lot of the things I'm hearing from this crowd are embarrassing.

 

I'm not embarrass by the Tea Party.

 

Ok some of them are a little far-fetched, but others such as free education, free health care have been implemented in other places and work very well.

No... It hasnt. Nima- The world is on FIRE. The socialist paradises that have adopted these "well working programs", are drowning in debt. The ones that still can are turning away from it....

 

If you have a college education, you don't want it to be free.... Because then EVERYBODY WILL GET ONE AND IT WONT BE WORTH ANYTHING!!!! (which is really what is happening to these young people.... Theyve spent 100,000 to get the equivalence of a High School Diploma in 1945, and cant figure out why the best job they can get is packing groceries. Thanks Government Subsidized education!)

 

On top of that, other implications such as bringing all of the troops home from around the world

Really? From all over the world huh? South Korea too? And what will become of the MILLION PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LONGER IN THE ARMED FORCES? Thats right, ADD THEM TO YOUR COMPETITION FOR A JOB AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO UNEMPLOYMENT RATES.

 

and increased regulation on the financial institutions' activities, would benefit everyone and reduce the risk that people are facing.

You mean INCREASED regulation that is causing BofA (and many other banks) to begin CHARGING customers to use ATMs? We need LESS regulation, not more.

 

FREEDOM IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER.

 

On one side I understand where they are coming from; opportunities aren't equal as they could be (realistically).

Theyre not angry about "opportunity".... Theyre angry about "Outcomes". And I have a hard time feeling sorry for them when theyre sitting there with their Iphones and Ipads complaining about howpoor they are.... They should go on a mission to equatorial AFRICA, and I suspect they would SHUT THE fcuk UP.

 

But on the other hand I feel that (as you pointed out) their demands are either unrealistic or they just don't know what they want specifically, they just know things aren't how they should be.

 

Its just too easy to call them out as homeless or whatever. It doesn't solve anything.

 

Sure it does.... It puts them in the proper perspective.

 

 

You should give this post a read, because it sums up a LOT of other reasons I disagree with them...

RomanDad, Where did that list come from?

RomanDad, Where did that list come from?

 

Straight from the Horses Mouth

A bunch of stupid fcuking hippies thinking their changing something or leading the way to "revolution" when in reality their drum circles arent doing a thing.

A bunch of stupid fcuking hippies thinking their changing something or leading the way to "revolution" when in reality their drum circles arent doing a thing.

 

 

Theyve got drum circles? Any Steel drums???? I love Steel Drums....

"I don’t have facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration. Don’t blame Wall Street, don’t blame the big banks, if you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself!"

 

Herman Cain

 

 

[edited by RD because I couldnt figure out who you were talking about]

"I don’t have facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration. Don’t blame Wall Street, don’t blame the big banks, if you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself!"

 

Cain

 

 

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/polit...upy-wall-street

I dont blame the democrats or the republicans for the trouble were in. I blame cancer for the loss of jobs.

You raise good points (and I expect nothing different ) but to subsidize education is crucial. The idea that if everyone has it then its worthless is just wrong. The traditional thinking has been that by bearing the cost, you're signalling your abilities, but I think that's a load of crap. If everyone has the access to the education then those who take the opportunity and [potentially] excel will be just as effective at signalling their abilities.

 

Also, we pay to use the ATM here beyond a certain number of transactions. Its a price to pay, but a small one for having our banking system be one of the most highly regarded around the world for its stability. In the sense that the protesters want more accountability, I agree with them. There clearly needs to be better regulation on how the banks handle their customers' money. Just because the iphone 5 of financial instruments comes through the door doesn't mean they should just be able to hurl their (the people's) money at it.

 

On that note I do disagree with the protesters when they say "the system is corrupt" or whatever. Here the system isn't different for the most part (at least not in detail that I know) but the results are very different. Clearly its not the system that's failed, its the regulatory bodies.

 

And lets not be in denial business doesnt give two hoots about people, families, or the environment. Its all about earnings for the shareholders and bonuses for the managers. It doesnt give two hoots unless its told that it MUST. I don't think freedom is the answer here.

I dont blame the democrats or the republicans for the trouble were in. I blame cancer for the loss of jobs.

A spokesman

 

His parents must be sooo proud. It's 1-1/2 minutes of nonsense:

 

ya I have no idea what he's talking about at the end there....

Oh, look, Grandma's not happy either.

 

 

This "movement" is sheer lunacy

My opinion:

 

These are just a bunch of idiots liberal hippie kids. They are lumping all corporations into one group..."Evil and greedy". Not all corporations are evil and greedy. The vast majority do good. Almost everything you buy and every activity you do is connected to a corporation. None of these hippies would be able to function and live their lives without these evil and greedy corporations they are protesting.

My opinion:

 

These are just a bunch of idiots liberal hippie kids. They are lumping all corporations into one group..."Evil and greedy". Not all corporations are evil and greedy. The vast majority do good. Almost everything you buy and every activity you do is connected to a corporation. None of these hippies would be able to function and live their lives without these evil and greedy corporations they are protesting.

This.

ya I have no idea what he's talking about at the end there....

Shrooms will do that to ya..

Oh, look, Grandma's not happy either.

 

 

 

I think she was fired for looking hideous. Who wants to bank and do business with a undead mummy? They were probably looking for a way to fire her and replace her with some hot piece of ass with legs like a giraffe and tits like a porn star.

One of the reasons America's universities are the most highly-regarded in the world is because they are not dependent on the government for their money. They do get government money in the form of research money, but they get a lot of money from private donations, as opposed to universities in other nations that have to depend a lot on the government for money because they don't have nearly as much private giving. This also applies to things like charities and museums in the U.S. as well.

 

As for these demands of theirs, oh wow I don't even know where to start with those. I once heard a quote: "A radical never thinks for one second about how society works." These people are the pinnacle of this.

 

One thing on healthcare, the Left have this obsession with single-payer healthcare and act as if every other country except America employs such a system. Too many Republicans fall for this too. Democrats will say every other country has socialized healthcare and it is great, Republicans will say they have it and no it isn't. But not every country employs such a system.

 

Universal healthcare does not equal socialist healthcare. France and Germany for example both have universal healthcare systems, but neither have single-payer socialist systems (and France is a quasi-socialist country). Their systems are instead each a complex combination of public and private entities. In France, for example, basic healthcare is provided a lot by government, but up to 60% of surgeries and advanced healthcare are done by private entities. Their hospital system is a combination of government and private hospitals.

 

Other European nations that have had socialist healthcare systems recently have begun privatizing portions of their systems. A purely socialist healthcare system can work, but it creates the type of bureaucratic rationing that happens in any government-run system. Britain for example has a purely socialist system, and has had problems with rationing. IMO the best systems will combine the best elements of both (government and private sector).