I am sad for our future...

Free college, here in the USA = more lawyers. = more frivolous lawsuits. = lowering the standard of living , one case at a time. Sorry Roman.

One of the best Jobs I had when I was young was manual labor at a warehouse loading trucks for McLane. There were people there that were lifers. So it was a quick reality check before college to push myself knowing where I did not want to end up.

 

Same for me. I worked the lines at a GM feeder plant and as a mover for a moving company. I saw what I didn't want to become. While I am no where as well off as many here, I've made big strides living within my means and making sacrifices.

 

I have no issue with the 1%. I want to be the 1%. Isn't it that motivation that drives innovation and growth? People have lost that drive and are happy to feed off the governments tit, who have leeched the money from those that have sacrificed to earn it.

I also feel this whole "if everyone goes to college it will make a smarter better society and economy." No, just no. Sure college is great for specialized trades of sorts, but the majority of college students don't come back smarter and more adept. Going to school to learn Sanskrit, or 1500's English poetry, is a waste of fcuking money.

You would need strict rules. Like passing exams with certain degrees.

The problem with someone like Sanders...is the whole mentality. You have a group of successful people who made sacrifices to give their kids the best. Build businesses on their own working long hours and leveraging their lives and every penny they have to have earned it. They get success, and put their kids in great schools, daycare, and shit like that. Now you have this old senile bastard who says "its not fair that the majority of people cant afford the things that the rich have worked hard to attain". "Lets tax the fcuk out of them, so everyone can have what they have sacrificed so much to achieve." It just doesn't make sense.

I just don´t think you can chalk it all up just like that.

Working hard needs to be encouraged and rewarded but we also need a fair playing ground and same chances for everyone(which funnily starts at education the poor parents cannot provide for their kids).

It is not much of a secret that the giant corporations are stacking crazy amounts of cash over seas through tax-loopholes and not reinvesting it into the economy while at the same time the middle class seems to be disappearing and the poorest are worse of. It just makes you think.

 

At the end of the day those in power will always try to change things for their best interests(human nature). That in itself creates an unequal society where not everyone has the same chances.

You need a balanced system that creates a stable, slowly growing and peaceful society. Everything else will backfire sooner or later(see french revolution, lol)

Now where that balance lies is the question.

I love this video...

 

I love this video...

 

 

This part is so amazing...

 

I want to go to your question about Medicare. There are many people who have benefited from Medicare. But you're not looking at the cost side. What is happening to the people that pay for it. It isn't, we don't have a free good. It isn't coming from nowhere. And are they benefitting from it in a cost effective way. Those are the questions. It is demagoguery if you'll pardon me Michael, to say the people who have medicare are freer. Of course, in one dimension. But they themselves have been paying all their lives. Have they gotten a good bargain? At the moment they have. The young man, the young working people who are going into Social Security now, they are going to get a very raw deal indeed.

 

And thusly, that sums up the entire Socialism aspect. It all sounds good until you think about it on a long term timeline. Do I want everyone to have free healthcare? Sure, if its free... and by Free I mean, it falls out of the sky and is this magical thing that was delivered from some unknown magical source. But it isn't, and it won't ever be. It is never "free" -- it is always paid for by someone. That someone is us, and the someone running it will be the government. The same group that can't run a Post Office or a DMV to anyone's satisfaction... and you want them to run your Healthcare?

 

Any country can get away with giving away lots of stuff for a certain time period, but over time the costs soar, less people work (because they are getting handouts) and eventually the tax dollars fade away and you are left with a country that is insolvent.

 

Some countries can make this take longer, or subsidize the costs of these things based off natural resources or exclusive industry... but in the end, the house always wins as they say... and that means eventually the music stops and someone gets left without a chair.

 

 

Remember YOUR peers raised this generation. Your generation who was spoiled by the post war 'everything's great' generation. And then gave them the instant gratification via technology.

 

But there is a really clear difference between US millennials and Europeans... can't escape the marketing/system unless your PARENTS do a great job raising you, along with strong societal structure of morals. If none of that = detachment, narcissism, pompousness, arrogance, lack of connection, strings of one night stands, obsession with 'how to be happy', 1/3 of the county on anti depressants.

Sanders' rhetoric is based on the voters' ignorance of socialism and its failures every time it has been tried.

Sanders also is counting on the younger folks to be ignorant not only of basic Economics, but essential math and critical thinking. He needs the college grads who have had four years of indoctrination of Leftist ideology and never having been exposed to other fact-based and empirically based ideas and history.

 

Sanders needs them ignorant of the fact that the World Bank reported last year that about 1,000,000,000 (1 billion) people were raised from poverty to the middle class by free market capitalism. Not the ultimately enslaving socialism/communism he is pushing.

 

Ignorance left unattended results in stupidity: That is Sanders' audience and followers.

Remember YOUR peers raised this generation. Your generation who was spoiled by the post war 'everything's great' generation. And then gave them the instant gratification via technology.

 

But there is a really clear difference between US millennials and Europeans... can't escape the marketing/system unless your PARENTS do a great job raising you, along with strong societal structure of morals. If none of that = detachment, narcissism, pompousness, arrogance, lack of connection, strings of one night stands, obsession with 'how to be happy', 1/3 of the county on anti depressants.

TSRH

 

"It's not my fault" - American parents

 

We drugged them because big phrama has created some nonesense where a pill will substitute for bad parenting and then wonder why we have zombies staring at their Instagram for instant gratification.

 

The cost of being young has gone up insanely. Half of Hollywood are kids in nicer cars than mine, dressed better than me, but up to their eyeballs in debt, living 3-deep in a one bedroom.

 

In marketing there is the phrase: "conspicuous consumption"; the pursuit of status through material goods that have no intrinsic value other than the perceived devaluation of someone else by the lack thereof. What millenials know is money has no correlation to how good of a person you are and "keeping up with the Jonses" is a mechanism of debt where they compete for even menial jobs with immigrants that will work the bad shifts for longer hours and less pay. I never competed with a Middle Eastern immigrant for a job at the photolab or pizza joint in 1989, I just had my direct peers to worry about so don't say there a jobs for kids. I bet your newspaper is delivered by a pickup of six Guatemalans, not 14 year old Bobby.

 

I understand they are a little broken-spitrited, and just like every generation, there are lazy ones, I am just saying I doubt there is anyone on this board that could get a job as a Walmart greeter that thinks getting a job is easy.

 

I have a family member who claims to be a non partisan Independent, researches things a lot. In many ways he is, but on the topic of fiscal issues he's a bit liberal. He really likes Sanders.

 

He wants fairness in life. Everyone not in the ultra elite tax brackets are the little guy being taken advantage of. People should have opportunities. The rich utilize loopholes left and right while we're stuck with the bill.

 

A lot of Sanders supporters are characterized a la Occupy Wall Street....aka lazy young bum kids. To be fair, that's not all of his supporters, and definitely not this guy.

 

He will say:

 

"He's not going to raise the brackets on those making $250k a year up to a few million, you'll be fine. What he will do is eliminate loopholes that allow corporations to pay less taxes, and will tax on Wall Street speculation. With that money, we can do things in this country.

 

I understand the issue here is that that will be hard to do. But if he cannot execute that, then at least he tried. Somebody's gotta do it."

 

"And if he can't get that corporation/wall street speculation money, is he just going to leave the other brackets all alone, perfectly unscathed?"

 

"Yes, of course".

 

 

Me personally, I'm not a fan of Sanders and his hype but I don't hate him at the same time (maybe his hype I do hate). He may be misguided, but he does not appear to have poor intentions. I don't sense ulterior motives or nasty agendas from the guy. I just won't vote for him, that's all.

 

What frustrates me is my inability to communicate the idea that this idea of "fair, fair, fair" is too naive, too unrealistic, and even if possible probably still not ideal in life. Someone once told me that life being unfair makes it great if you can get to the other side.

 

There's also the whole Capitalism knock -- "it needs to be BETTER". Sure, it's not perfect but can be it perfect when human beings themselves aren't?

 

Personally I'm against the H1-B Visa which allows foreign workers to work in tech at lower wages than Americans. I'm all for capitalism but on a macro level I wager that saving money up front hurts the economy overall than keeping it stateside (with programmer and engineers who are already cheap labor to begin with, but that's a story for another day).

 

And who typically owns these Silicon Valley, Seattle, etc. type tech companies?

 

Liberal millionaires and billionaires.

I think the future looks bright because I see a sea of underlings that will serve my empire nicely

Free college, here in the USA = more lawyers. = more frivolous lawsuits. = lowering the standard of living , one case at a time. Sorry Roman.

 

Really the only major issue with college is that it is typically very overpriced. Only a handful of majors can claim a decent ROI, the rest nowhere close and you can still pay as much or money for it!

 

It's hard to root for colleges in the name of Capitalism. They charge a boatload, push liberal agendas and still aggressively push for alumni donations. It's a no risk, high reward "business".

 

What's interesting about free college as you say is more of certain types of professions. Maybe that will happen, maybe not. Not everyone who goes to school has a real hunger to do well in life.

 

But if it does, now you've just increased the supply pool to the point where you've hurt the compensation. Law, Medicine, Engineering, Finance........pick whichever you want.

 

All of this stuff is complicated on a macro level. People just focus on the immediate "free college", "free healthcare" without thinking of ramifications. It kills me, because intelligent people feel this stuff is a "no brainer".

This is how I picture 99% of todays generation, and every single Bernie supporter.

 

 

Great quotes:

 

"Stop talking to us like children, we're not children!"

*acts like a child and slurs profanities at people speaking*

 

"Calm down young lady."

*interrupts*

"fcuk YOU THIS IS FREE SPEECH"

 

Best youtube comment:

2:44 recharging the batteries with her flask of gravy

 

Great quotes:

 

"Stop talking to us like children, we're not children!"

*acts like a child and slurs profanities at people speaking*

 

"Calm down young lady."

*interrupts*

"fcuk YOU THIS IS FREE SPEECH"

 

Best youtube comment:

2:44 recharging the batteries with her flask of gravy

 

HAHA

I have a family member who claims to be a non partisan Independent, researches things a lot. In many ways he is, but on the topic of fiscal issues he's a bit liberal. He really likes Sanders.

 

He wants fairness in life. Everyone not in the ultra elite tax brackets are the little guy being taken advantage of. People should have opportunities. The rich utilize loopholes left and right while we're stuck with the bill.

 

A lot of Sanders supporters are characterized a la Occupy Wall Street....aka lazy young bum kids. To be fair, that's not all of his supporters, and definitely not this guy.

 

He will say:

 

"He's not going to raise the brackets on those making $250k a year up to a few million, you'll be fine. What he will do is eliminate loopholes that allow corporations to pay less taxes, and will tax on Wall Street speculation. With that money, we can do things in this country.

 

I understand the issue here is that that will be hard to do. But if he cannot execute that, then at least he tried. Somebody's gotta do it."

 

"And if he can't get that corporation/wall street speculation money, is he just going to leave the other brackets all alone, perfectly unscathed?"

 

"Yes, of course".

 

 

Me personally, I'm not a fan of Sanders and his hype but I don't hate him at the same time (maybe his hype I do hate). He may be misguided, but he does not appear to have poor intentions. I don't sense ulterior motives or nasty agendas from the guy. I just won't vote for him, that's all.

 

What frustrates me is my inability to communicate the idea that this idea of "fair, fair, fair" is too naive, too unrealistic, and even if possible probably still not ideal in life. Someone once told me that life being unfair makes it great if you can get to the other side.

 

There's also the whole Capitalism knock -- "it needs to be BETTER". Sure, it's not perfect but can be it perfect when human beings themselves aren't?

 

Personally I'm against the H1-B Visa which allows foreign workers to work in tech at lower wages than Americans. I'm all for capitalism but on a macro level I wager that saving money up front hurts the economy overall than keeping it stateside (with programmer and engineers who are already cheap labor to begin with, but that's a story for another day).

 

And who typically owns these Silicon Valley, Seattle, etc. type tech companies?

 

Liberal millionaires and billionaires.

 

 

Bernie Sanders WILL raise taxes on pretty much everyone..

Bernie Sanders WILL raise taxes on pretty much everyone..

 

Not happening because the Trump card is coming...

Free college, here in the USA = more lawyers. = more frivolous lawsuits. = lowering the standard of living , one case at a time. Sorry Roman.

 

 

Dont apologize when youre right....

Not happening because the Trump card is coming...

I most certainly hope so.

I most certainly hope so.

 

So does Hillary, unfortunately.

Come on now, is anyone here really rooting vor trump??

If he does only half of what he says(protectionism, tradewars) the world economy will crash within the first half of his first term and we´ll be in WW3 by the end of it. And I´m not trying to exaggerate.

Clinton is certainly the lesser of two evils.

 

Btw, about bernie needing the ignorant teenagers, generally speaking, the higher educated you are the more likely it is that you´ll vote left(atleast according to studies in europe I´ll assume it´ll translate to the US to).

Pretty much every scientist is a democrat or liberal *putsflamesuiton*.

Btw, about bernie needing the ignorant teenagers, generally speaking, the higher educated you are the more likely it is that you´ll vote left(atleast according to studies in europe I´ll assume it´ll translate to the US to).

Pretty much every scientist is a democrat or liberal *putsflamesuiton*.

 

I think it's as simple as where you grew up, and to an extent your economic class.

 

Intelligent (and dumb) minds growing up in big cities in America typically become liberal. Vice versa in the smaller towns, South, midwest, etc. Why is it that the engineers I worked with in NYC loved Obama and the ones I worked with in South Carolina hated him?

 

It occurred to me that generally speaking it's far easier to sell liberal fiscal politics in general than conservative:

 

- Who wouldn't want FREE things?

- Who wouldn't want to HELP people?

- Why should the RICH not help out?

- etc.

 

It doesn't challenge you to look at things on the macro level.

 

Liberals look at the gun issue way too narrow minded IMO. That's also an easier sell on the surface:

 

- Why should people own DANGEROUS guns??

 

And just when the Republican party has found some people willing to listen, they lose them with their conservative social agenda of pro life, anti-gay policies. This stuff tends to trump the rest (no pun intended). It's very annoying to see.

 

Democratic and Republican politicians are both well off. They have millionaires aplenty in each, but only one party is identified with elitist wealth. The Clintons are loaded as s*** more than most Republican voters ever will be, but nobody cares about that. Hell, Bernie Sanders probably has more money than many wish to have.

 

The Democratic Party has found a way to identify better with youth and the average person and painted the Republican Party as out of touch and only helpful if you make millions of dollars. What was the biggest complaint about Romney I heard in the last election? "He looks like he only cares about helping rich people".

 

Now this is not to say that conservative politics is perfect. It is not.

 

I can't speak too much on the foreign policy issue.....in this stance, I believe it's a lot more individual than partisan. I don't think one party has a clear advantage in this department. It's a lot more complicated IMO to have a purely general stance on foreign policy.

 

To me, it's a battle between the social liberal agenda of the Democratic party vs. the fiscal conservatism of the Republican party. And to me, I care more about money and the economy, less government, freedom to bear arms, and go indifferent on LGBT and abortion issues.

Btw, about bernie needing the ignorant teenagers, generally speaking, the higher educated you are the more likely it is that you´ll vote left(atleast according to studies in europe I´ll assume it´ll translate to the US to).

Pretty much every scientist is a democrat or liberal *putsflamesuiton*.

Is that why you are losing your "Europe" to violent hordes of lowlife invaders? Europe is now a shȋt hole.

Those 'highly educated' fools deserve what they are getting; Enjoy the suck!

Is that why you are losing your "Europe" to violent hordes of lowlife invaders? Europe is now a shȋt hole.

Those 'highly educated' fools deserve what they are getting; Enjoy the suck!

Krhm!

Is that why you are losing your "Europe" to violent hordes of lowlife invaders? Europe is now a shȋt hole.

Those 'highly educated' fools deserve what they are getting; Enjoy the suck!

 

 

I think you should get out more!

Come on now, is anyone here really rooting vor trump??

If he does only half of what he says(protectionism, tradewars) the world economy will crash within the first half of his first term and we´ll be in WW3 by the end of it. And I´m not trying to exaggerate.

Clinton is certainly the lesser of two evils.

 

 

Is anyone here really rooting for Trump? As a short answer, I am. I 100% disagree with your idea that Trump would crash the economy. Exactly the opposite. And truthfully, in my circle of close friends, internet friends etc, anyone who is successful, anyone with a purposeful education ( meaning they didnt go to college, and then became a landscaper) , anyone who is striving to be successful, has a sense of pride, ambition, and self worth is voting for Trump. I honestly dont associate with anyone who isn't a supporter.

 

In regards to democrats that I do know, unfortunately they happen to be family. None of them being as I would describe as successful. Although they are comfortable. Raise families etc. None extraordinarily bright, nor ambitious. My aunt for example. In a conversation, she will simply say " I hate Trump" . Ill ask why, and I get answers like " He is anti-semetic" Auntie dear, have you heard his speech at Aipac? "No" Do you know he feels that Isreal is one of our strongest allies and we should fully support them. " If he says that, he doesnt really mean it" Ok then. Why else do you hate him? " He has been divorced several times" . Auntie dear... Your own daughter has been divorced several times... " Not the same" Ok.. So who do you support? " Hillary Clinton, she is avery strong and smart woman" Ok Auntie... What is that she supports that sits so well with you? "Everything" Name something in particular, just one of her proposals that really sits well with you. " No" .

 

Another example, would be my inlaws and their sons. People so cheap, that one of the sons still drives the same car he had in high school. Hes 38 now. The father in law, super religious, church every week, anti gay, anti abortion..everything.. Who do you support? Hillary Clinton. He voted for Obama as well twice. I had him take one of those political tests that shows which candidate you side with .. And his #1 pic was Donald Trump, Hillary was 5th. He slammed the computer down, I would never vote for a republican. IM A DEMOCRAT. lol... The sons are also the first to deny any financial help to their own parents, and then off they go on vacation, leaving us to foot the bill. Like any good democrat, hands in everyone elses pocket, but theirs.

 

As for Bernie Sanders.. thankfully i dont know anyone who supports that fool. And If I did, I would exclude them from my life. Inmo, anyone who supports Bernie has no self worth, no sense of pride, and is simply looking to skate by through life on the work of others. I despise anyone who supports him. At the end of this election anyone who voted for Bernie should be shipped of to Denmark. Enjoy life there.