kingjr9000 Report post Posted August 25, 2017 Lamborghini Gets Serious About Beating Its Longtime Rival Target: Ferrari By: Georg Kacher August 24, 2017 Lamborghini was absorbed by Audi in 1998, and for almost 20 years the Germans have kept the raging bull on a short leash, restricting the portfolio to multiple versions of two essentially unrelated models, Murcielago/Aventador and Gallardo/Huracán. Under charismatic CEO Stephan Winkelmann, replaced by Stefano Domenicali in 2016, Lamborghini had attempted to revive the legendary Miura and add the four-door Estoque to the lineup, but both attempts ended in failure. The breakthrough happened in 2012, when the Urus concept was met with such enthusiasm that a production version was greenlit to debut in 2018. Loosely based on Porsche’s third-gen Cayenne and Audi’s latest Q7, the Urus will be offered with a choice of engines ranging from a 458-hp V-6 plug-in hybrid to a 4.0-liter V-8 that will develop 660 hp in the Performante model. Once production is in full swing, the hyper-SUV is expected to almost double Lamborghini sales to more than 6,000 vehicles a year. So far, so predictable, but beyond that the picture gets a little cloudy. According to the Sant ’Agat grapevine, there is talk of shifting control of Lambo to Porsche. At the same time, the rumor mill in Wolfsburg suggests Audi will also move under Porsche’s control, joining Bentley and Bugatti. Such an arrangement would leave the individual brand identities untouched while creating a variety of synergy effects. In the meantime, the Huracán lineup will be given more muscle, with Speedster and Barchetta versions coming, along with a hardcore SV model and an even hotter GT3 Stradale. There’ll also be a Huracán Targa to complement the roadster and a lightweight Superleggera version. But the most audacious iteration by far will the Huracán Safari, which will feature height-adjustable suspension, bigger wheel arches, all-terrain body protection panels, all-wheel drive, and four-wheel steering. While not ready to tackle the Rubicon, Lamborghini R & D claims the almost go-anywhere Huracán—which will be available in coupe and roadster form—is absolutely unbeatable on rough Italian C-roads where ground clearance and wheel travel are essential. The first all-new Lamborghini developed on Domenicali’s watch will be the Aventador replacement expected in 2020. Code named LB634/635 (coupe/roadster) it will be an extensive evolution of the current concept, so don’t fear a Huracán on steriods or an Italian Porsche 960. While the charismatic V-10 will eventually bite the dust, the classic V-12 will soldier on, and on. A 6.0-liter, twin-turbo version, rated—on paper—at 900 hp, was briefly considered, but Lamborghini planners instead opted for a naturally aspirated 7.0-liter powerplant that has reportedly made 800 hp on the dyno. Not quite brutal enough? Maybe, but when Lamborghini throws in electric front-wheel drive with 160 hp minimum per wheel, more than 1,000 hp and 885 lb-ft should be plenty of grunt. The Aventador MkII features a lightweight evolution of the extremely stiff monofuselage carbon-fiber tub that stuffs the transmission tunnel with batteries, and/or the fuel tank and the prop shaft for a low center of gravity and a neatly balanced weight distribution. Early on in the development process, engineers experimented with a Miura-style transversely mounted V-12, but what they gained in packaging was lost in complexity. Like the Huracán Performante, the top-of-the-range Aventador boasts active aerodynamics, every conceivable piece of chassis-related electronic wizardry, bigger brakes, more exotic materials, and relatively competitive connectivity. A slightly less expensive 700hp V-8 plug-in hybrid model is a possible addition to the new Aventador family, but the brawny SV, lightweight Essenza, and barely street-legal Jota variants are definitely in the mix. Scheduled to arrive about a year after the new Aventador is the next-gen Huracán. Unlike the current model, which is twinned with the Audi R8 using the so-called MSS matrix, the new Huracán reportedly moves closer in concept to its V-12 stablemate. As the current Huracan’s V-10 goes goes away when MSS is retired, the smaller midengine Lambo will switch to the Porsche-sourced 4.0-liter V-8, this time rated at 650 hp. An electric power pack will potentially deliver a total output of up to 900 hp on some models. There is only so much torque four tires can convert into traction, so expect a 0-60 mph acceleration time of about 2.5 sec. Tires and downforce will restrict top speed to about 220 mph. As far as the chassis is concerned, we believe that the Huracan II will adopt the Aventador’s light and rigid monofuselage layout, together with the double-wishbone suspension, brand new electro-hydraulic steering, and carbon-ceramic brakes. http://www.automobilemag.com/news/lamborgh...ong-time-rival/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bWiLKINS Report post Posted August 25, 2017 Uh I'm sorry, Huracan Safari? Is that actually happening? What the hell is the world coming to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VentadorGER Report post Posted August 25, 2017 Uh I'm sorry, Huracan Safari? Is that actually happening? What the hell is the world coming to. Yeah, I was also a bit confused about some of the things claimed in this article. Lots of speculation regarding future models and hp numbers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topjay Report post Posted August 25, 2017 Sounds like total rubbish for the most part Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambornima Report post Posted August 25, 2017 All new V12, AGAIN?! I'll believe it when I see it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortis Report post Posted August 25, 2017 Most the article could be BS but the V12 will have to live on, I can't see Lamborghini dropping it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Eric Report post Posted August 25, 2017 Most the article could be BS but the V12 will have to live on, I can't see Lamborghini dropping it. Unless that fuel consumption law impacts Lambo. I need to look it up, i just woke up so pls forgive my poor grammar. There is a international (something) which is a mandate that all car manufacturers have to fall under a certain threshold of MPG or L/km of fuel consumption and the 12's just cant do that. I'm not making this up, ive read several articles on it. I'm not sure if in the aggregate (all the cars Audi builds) are counted and the few Lambos that tilt the scale downward are so few that the good efficient cars offset the excessive fuel consumption of the 12's(Aventador) Kinda like the Chiron and VW. sorry my grammar isnt the best ive been awake 15 minutes. point is the disappearing 12's might be because of their fuel consumption not market forces or desires of consumers who CAN afford them. best Eric PS off to make a coffee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APB Report post Posted August 25, 2017 Most of it is fan fiction lol. At least the writer could have done a better research on existing information provided by Lamborghini themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topjay Report post Posted August 25, 2017 The chat I hear is 4.0 V12 + electric but the Lambo boys love to mess with you and enjoy the odd bit of misinformation so I wouldn't believe everything but something like that seems very likely to me for the replacement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supercar Ace Report post Posted August 25, 2017 Unless that fuel consumption law impacts Lambo. I need to look it up, i just woke up so pls forgive my poor grammar. There is a international (something) which is a mandate that all car manufacturers have to fall under a certain threshold of MPG or L/km of fuel consumption and the 12's just cant do that. I'm not making this up, ive read several articles on it. I'm not sure if in the aggregate (all the cars Audi builds) are counted and the few Lambos that tilt the scale downward are so few that the good efficient cars offset the excessive fuel consumption of the 12's(Aventador) Kinda like the Chiron and VW. sorry my grammar isnt the best ive been awake 15 minutes. point is the disappearing 12's might be because of their fuel consumption not market forces or desires of consumers who CAN afford them. best Eric PS off to make a coffee That's why Lambo was pushing for the 3rd model...the idea was to offset that mandate, so we now have the Urus which checks the hybrid and fuel economy balance boxes. Lamborghini cleverly bought themselves some time when the bought Ducatti several years ago, the MPG balance sheet rocketed up way after that. But things like Diesel-gate aren't helping. Hopefully the V12 will live in in it's naturally aspirated form...only time will tell. DOT and EPA are solely dedicated to ruining fun machines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortis Report post Posted August 25, 2017 The only thing I say is screw the greenies, fun sucking leaches As if few thousand V12 driven at an average of few thousand miles a year is going to have any impact on the environment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteout Report post Posted August 27, 2017 Safari sounds more like a rally car. Sounds interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMLAMBO Report post Posted August 28, 2017 Aventador replacement will most probably be forced induction to meet with regulations(going green) and also stay competitive with its rivals. Just assuming here and probably more than half the article is just speculation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ameer Report post Posted August 29, 2017 For the V12s going hybrid seems a better option than turbo charging. The 918 spyder with its NA V8 + hybrid seems like a really good compromise and its also quite eco friendly. Emissions are lower than on an average city car. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew R. Report post Posted August 29, 2017 Whatever the case, change is coming! Regarding thread subject.. how do you spell "Lamborghini"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LamboCARS Report post Posted August 30, 2017 Ok, so I had some fun in PhotoShop ... An Huracan Barchetta wouldn't look too bad I think: And let's not forget the Huracan Safari ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phteven Report post Posted August 30, 2017 The yellow safari should be a "hatchback" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiatEliteMS Report post Posted August 30, 2017 The Huracan "safari" is not a good idea at all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bWiLKINS Report post Posted August 30, 2017 The Barchetta would look cool parked but unless your 5'6" or shorter you would look like a complete douche driving it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LamboCARS Report post Posted August 30, 2017 The yellow safari should be a "hatchback" There's an engine in the way ... I wouldn't store anything above that to be honest ... But ... the article does mention the Safari will be available as a 'Roadster' too ... I guess that has to be a Spyder ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjr9000 Report post Posted August 30, 2017 Whatever the case, change is coming! Regarding thread subject.. how do you spell "Lamborghini"? Sorry. Laptop's kinda old. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAMBO_JESUS Report post Posted August 31, 2017 The only thing I say is screw the greenies, fun sucking leaches As if few thousand V12 driven at an average of few thousand miles a year is going to have any impact on the environment PRECISELY. The millions and millions of production V8 pickups and oversized V8 soccer-mom SUVs are contributing infinitely more to whatever coming ice age the international regulatory bodies are trying to prevent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LamboCARS Report post Posted September 1, 2017 If they are going to make an off-road Huracan ... why not go all the way and create a Huracan Rally: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMLAMBO Report post Posted September 2, 2017 If they are going to make an off-road Huracan ... why not go all the way and create a Huracan Rally: Can't imagine driving this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Eric Report post Posted September 2, 2017 The rally car looks cool, I realize it's not happening and wouldn't really work too good as a rally car. But fun anyways Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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