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Will Any Modern "Normal" Ferrari Be A Classic In The Future?


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Obviously we know the scuderia and the challenge stradale and 599 GTO will all be classics. What I mean is will we see any of the regular ones ie 355,360,550,575,599,etc be classics one day?

 

For me I think the Maranellos will be be. The 575 esp bc its the first v12 with paddles and this young generation of kids will grow up not wanting sticks like their parents, that combined with only 1800 made and I think it will be a classic. The 550 is nice but I think its being overvalued now vs the 575 on the basis of having a stick, as all cars with sticks are overpriced right now.

 

I also think the 355 GTS will be a classic one day but the maintenance costs of the 355 will hold it back, the maranellos are cheaper to maintain bc the belts are at the front of the engine and dont need the whole engine removed to change.

 

I look at all the front engine V12's of the past like the 365 daytona, 275 GTB, 330 GTC, etc and they're all so valuable today and cars like the 550 and 575 to me are much more beautiful, more powerful, and just more in demand with the generation growing up today. The 575 especially I think 2000 were made.I dont know why but I feel like those cars can be $500k+ in 20 years.

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550 Maranello I think can be special with enough time.

 

It's one of those cars that I felt was awesome when it was new then kinda faded out a little bit over the years compared to say the Diablo.

 

But as a GT it had elegant styling, stickshift, and great packaging. The sound isn't as glorious as other Ferrari 12s (IMHO) which is one reason I hold it back compared to say the TR lineup.

 

Very competent car.

 

The issue in the short term are some of the parts and the availability of them. I'm told there's an issue where if the airbag becomes defective with the steering wheel then there are no replacement parts for it. For the purists that have to be 100% OEM that's a big deal. Not sure if Ferrari will make replacement OEM wheels.

 

One other interesting item is I think the car can be every bit as valuable (if not more) painted in a color other than red. Titanium, gun metal grey, dark blue, black in particular I'd rather have then red.

 

The Diablo should be worth more money but 20% tops.

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I think manual 355/360 and 550 will be classics. The rest im not so sure of.

 

I think people are really overrating manual cars today. It's a joke tbh. Back in the day you paid significantly more to not have a manual when ordering a new f430 or 575. Just bc a few old guys today are in love and overpaying doesnt mean anything. Realistically those guys will be dead in 40-50 years and everyone in their 30s today who would have wanted a 430,550,575 etc growing up they probably grew up driving paddles or automatics and wont even want sticks. The sticks are hot now with old people who wont be around in 30 years, I truly believe the value gaps will close. Its ridiculous a 360 with a stick is more than a 575 with paddles today. A 575 F1 is a better car in everyway.

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I think manual 355/360 and 550 will be classics. The rest im not so sure of.

 

360CS I can see, mainly because it's one of the best looking and sounding F cars ever. But man the transmission is shit.

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I think people are really overrating manual cars today. It's a joke tbh. Back in the day you paid significantly more to not have a manual when ordering a new f430 or 575. Just bc a few old guys today are in love and overpaying doesnt mean anything. Realistically those guys will be dead in 40-50 years and everyone in their 30s today who would have wanted a 430,550,575 etc growing up they probably grew up driving paddles or automatics and wont even want sticks. The sticks are hot now with old people who wont be around in 30 years, I truly believe the value gaps will close. Its ridiculous a 360 with a stick is more than a 575 with paddles today. A 575 F1 is a better car in everyway.

I think you're missing the point here. The art of driving comes down to more than just the car. True driving enthusiasts want the challenge of perfecting their experience, not just having a more efficient computer controlled machine...

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I think you're missing the point here. The art of driving comes down to more than just the car. True driving enthusiasts want the challenge of perfecting their experience, not just having a more efficient computer controlled machine...

 

That's todays crop of old,wealthy enthusiasts. Im in my late 30s and I havent driven a stick since I was in high school and dont care to honestly it was a huge pain when I was stuck in traffic. Again the F1 systems were a significant upgrade when they came out dollar wise bc it was just all around better. It doesnt matter if a few enthusiasts are paying premiums now bc most stick cars are coming down and few are selling. A dealer near me had a stick 575 listed for almost $400k for a year and they took it down and told me the owner just took it back. I mean realistically Im sure its a ton of fun but you can buy a 575 for $100k now, what crazy person pays 4x that just for a stick?

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That's todays crop of old,wealthy enthusiasts. Im in my late 30s and I havent driven a stick since I was in high school and dont care to honestly it was a huge pain when I was stuck in traffic. Again the F1 systems were a significant upgrade when they came out dollar wise bc it was just all around better. It doesnt matter if a few enthusiasts are paying premiums now bc most stick cars are coming down and few are selling. A dealer near me had a stick 575 listed for almost $400k for a year and they took it down and told me the owner just took it back. I mean realistically Im sure its a ton of fun but you can buy a 575 for $100k now, what crazy person pays 4x that just for a stick?

 

Stick offers a more driver engagement and a throwback to a "cooler" time before computer assisted driving age.

Some cars that embodied the engaging experience will appreciate more than other stick cars.

 

That said, a rising tide for lifts all boats.

 

 

IMO, the 575 Superamerica will be a future classic. Rare, V12, quirky design (so ugly it becomes cool).

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That's todays crop of old,wealthy enthusiasts. Im in my late 30s and I havent driven a stick since I was in high school and dont care to honestly

 

I'm the probably the same age as you and have zero interest in F1, DSG, E gear, PDK, SMG etc etc gearboxes.

 

i understand that paddle shifts are better, and i've driven some great cars that are seamless with them. but if i'm driving an ICE car i enjoy rowing my own gears. Only in the case of an EV am I interested in not having a gear stick.

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I'm the probably the same age as you and have zero interest in F1, DSG, E gear, PDK, SMG etc etc gearboxes.

 

i understand that paddle shifts are better, and i've driven some great cars that are seamless with them. but if i'm driving an ICE car i enjoy rowing my own gears. Only in the case of an EV am I interested in not having a gear stick.

 

If you love the maranello, lets say 575, and you clearly have $400k sitting around. Would you rather a stick 575 or a F1 575 + F1 599 + a 355. Thats what we're looking at now with where 575 with a stick prices are. Dealers can ask whatever they want but there really aren't any trading hands at these levels. Most just sit and sit. All Im saying is look back at history the 930 Porsche they made over 20k of them look where they're at now well into that $120-200k range. You look at Testarossa and its utter garbage to drive and they made over 7000 of them and its well over $100k now. I could go on and on but cars like the 360 they made over 16,000 of them and the 458 over 20,000 of them. Ferrari is going mainstream, they're a public company now and want to make more money. they're building a bigger fan base than ever.

 

Then you look at the 550 and they made 3600 and the 575 even fewer at 2000. Ask yourself how many of each still exist today and its not many. They made more 246 dinos than 575 maranellos and those are well into the $300-400k range and honestly no kids that are young today would even want that. The maranellos are the last breed of Ferrari V12 that was made in small quantities, the 575 was basically 500 cars/year for 4 years.......To see people say they're not a future classic bc its F1 and not stick is silly. People have art work trading at $20-30m that cant hold a candle to a 550 or 575 in terms of beauty.

 

So yea I do believe when you make 2000 575's and they're F1, so what bc all the modern ferraris are made in way larger quantities and honestly no 599 or 612 or F12 or FF is anywhere near as beautiful as a 550/575 on any level.

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I would say the 360CS but owners are already treating it as a collectilbe, so IDK if I can say it will appreciate even more in the future.

 

Hard to say. I don't see any appeal of a 550 or 575. Low number don't mean anything. Car has no soul imo.

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If you love the maranello, lets say 575, and you clearly have $400k sitting around. Would you rather a stick 575 or a F1 575 + F1 599 + a 355. Thats what we're looking at now with where 575 with a stick prices are. Dealers can ask whatever they want but there really aren't any trading hands at these levels. Most just sit and sit. All Im saying is look back at history the 930 Porsche they made over 20k of them look where they're at now well into that $120-200k range. You look at Testarossa and its utter garbage to drive and they made over 7000 of them and its well over $100k now. I could go on and on but cars like the 360 they made over 16,000 of them and the 458 over 20,000 of them. Ferrari is going mainstream, they're a public company now and want to make more money. they're building a bigger fan base than ever.

 

Then you look at the 550 and they made 3600 and the 575 even fewer at 2000. Ask yourself how many of each still exist today and its not many. They made more 246 dinos than 575 maranellos and those are well into the $300-400k range and honestly no kids that are young today would even want that. The maranellos are the last breed of Ferrari V12 that was made in small quantities, the 575 was basically 500 cars/year for 4 years.......To see people say they're not a future classic bc its F1 and not stick is silly. People have art work trading at $20-30m that cant hold a candle to a 550 or 575 in terms of beauty.

 

So yea I do believe when you make 2000 575's and they're F1, so what bc all the modern ferraris are made in way larger quantities and honestly no 599 or 612 or F12 or FF is anywhere near as beautiful as a 550/575 on any level.

This all sounds to me like you are trying to justify something, using your personal feelings about paddles and sticks to dictate market trends, and to predict the future. Buy what you like, and forget about all this, it's a pointless exercise because cars are bad investments. Even the halo'ed 250 GTO, the oft-used example of how $14K can become $50M, is a bad example. Forget about the $14K, let's take them when they were $10M, say about the same time Steve Jobs came back to Apple. That $10M is now $50M, but if you'd put that $10M in Apple, you'd have 1.7 BILLION dollars today.

 

Did you see that trend?

 

Since you didn't, forget about this avenue of using math and reasoning to justify opinion. The market will do what it will do, and you have about as much control over it as I. Buy what makes you happy, and go on with your life. If you can't afford what you want because others value it more, so be it. Pay more or call it a day and say I don't value that (object) that highly.

 

I bought a Countach cheap, well before any rise in value. Nice one, 5000S, US-legal, carbs. I could've bought a periscope car but I didn't, it wasn't the model I wanted, too '70s concept car, not mean enough. I wanted the fender flares and big rear tires. I knew the periscope cars would probably be better investments, as would the 330 GTC I also considered for the same money. I bought the 5000S anyway, and have never regretted it. The difference in value now between a 5000S and a periscope car is about a factor of 2 and $300-400K, but that math means nothing against the 20K miles I've driven it.

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35 here and never touched an f1 paddle. I don't think the trends we are seeing now will change. The 550 and 575 will do better than most of the 360 and 430. Except some of the manuals and the CS types.

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The only downside I see buy a Ferrari as an investment is being stuck with driving a Ferrari :icon_mrgreen:

 

Yes, so if you get stuck with one, make sure it's one you'll want to drive, not hold onto just for the sake of hoping it appreciates.

 

Buy investment property instead.

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This all sounds to me like you are trying to justify something, using your personal feelings about paddles and sticks to dictate market trends, and to predict the future. Buy what you like, and forget about all this, it's a pointless exercise because cars are bad investments. Even the halo'ed 250 GTO, the oft-used example of how $14K can become $50M, is a bad example. Forget about the $14K, let's take them when they were $10M, say about the same time Steve Jobs came back to Apple. That $10M is now $50M, but if you'd put that $10M in Apple, you'd have 1.7 BILLION dollars today.

 

Did you see that trend?

 

Since you didn't, forget about this avenue of using math and reasoning to justify opinion. The market will do what it will do, and you have about as much control over it as I. Buy what makes you happy, and go on with your life. If you can't afford what you want because others value it more, so be it. Pay more or call it a day and say I don't value that (object) that highly.

 

I bought a Countach cheap, well before any rise in value. Nice one, 5000S, US-legal, carbs. I could've bought a periscope car but I didn't, it wasn't the model I wanted, too '70s concept car, not mean enough. I wanted the fender flares and big rear tires. I knew the periscope cars would probably be better investments, as would the 330 GTC I also considered for the same money. I bought the 5000S anyway, and have never regretted it. The difference in value now between a 5000S and a periscope car is about a factor of 2 and $300-400K, but that math means nothing against the 20K miles I've driven it.

 

All Im saying is all the commentators on here and Fchat, they all seem to ignore the F1 cars as junk bc of the F1 paddles and Im just saying that sticks were much cheaper to have at the time and nobody wanted them. Sure a few guys are overpaying now, but the F1 system rocks and is honestly not bad at all. When I see guys say its lurchy or clunky I really question if they've ever owned or driven one. All I know is cars that are less scarce than 550s or 575s like porsche 930s and ferrari testarossas are trading at crazy values and when the maranellos age, they are way scarcer, only 1800 575 F1s. Thats the lowest run "production" ferrari in a long time and it will be an amazing car long term value wise bc of its beauty.

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360CS I can see, mainly because it's one of the best looking and sounding F cars ever. But man the transmission is shit.

 

Was a fun driver but a bit slow. Beautiful car tho

 

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The only downside I see buy a Ferrari as an investment is being stuck with driving a Ferrari :icon_mrgreen:

 

Ain’t that the truth... I’ve owned 4 of them over the years and the only one I drove was the Enzo, I put around 4000 miles on it. The rest I drove less than 1000 miles. The CS was fun but no balls. I just can’t seem to get into them and drive. They sit and get dusty. The Enzo was the exception, I miss that car.

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40 and I have owned 1 car that wasn't a manual. Daily drive a manual through snarling city traffic. Just find it so much more engaging. Not all of us that prefer to row through gears are grandpas.

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almost all my cars are manuals as well. Only my 575 is auto.

 

manuals all day for me and I'm 31.

 

I think the majority of people who truly love to drive would take a manual, whatever their age

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40 and I have owned 1 car that wasn't a manual. Daily drive a manual through snarling city traffic. Just find it so much more engaging. Not all of us that prefer to row through gears are grandpas.

 

Manual are fun but annoying day to day usage. It wasn't the same as a Ferrari but my first car 20 years ago in high school was a manaul and what a pain in the ass that was, definitely would have paid $12,000 extra for F1 if I was ordering a new ferrari in 2002. I really cannot believe a 575 manual is $300-400k and an F1, better in every way is literally $100-120k. Unreal.

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almost all my cars are manuals as well. Only my 575 is auto.

 

manuals all day for me and I'm 31.

 

I think the majority of people who truly love to drive would take a manual, whatever their age

 

Jonas Im thinking of getting a 575 F1 bc I think they're the most beautiful and prices have come down alot, whats your take on the one you have?

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I’m 50 and prefer manuals as well. In Europe and the rest of the world most cars are manual, not a problem in or out of traffic for me. I like automatic in luxury cars. I’m having a hard time imagining a Rolls with a stick lol

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Jonas Im thinking of getting a 575 F1 bc I think they're the most beautiful and prices have come down alot, whats your take on the one you have?

 

 

I love the looks, prices went up since I bought mine in feb.

 

The sound is not exactly its strong point, but overall I'm happy with it.

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