The "Ive got no choice... I have to bitch about Obamacare" thread

I thought this summed up how fucked up its gotten:

 

http://www.caintv.com/3-random-20-year-old-dudes-bui

I thought this summed up how fucked up its gotten:

 

http://www.caintv.com/3-random-20-year-old-dudes-bui

I watched a website designer/builder talking about how if he had built the same website,and it worked perfectly and he had inflated his numbers and charged the government anymore then a million bucks he would have felt like a crook. Remind me how much we're into this non working website again?

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-laws-...oost-2D11577443

RD, I'd love to hear your take on where this whole thing goes from here.

 

The GOP's problem IMO is that:

 

1) The extremist pro-life position turns off too many independents and women

 

2) The anti same-sex marriage position strikes many people as just being thinly-veiled anti-gay bigotry

 

3) The hardline rhetoric on illegal immigration strikes many as being thinly-veiled racism

The GOP's problem IMO is that:

 

1) The extremist pro-life position turns off too many independents and women

 

2) The anti same-sex marriage position strikes many people as just being thinly-veiled anti-gay bigotry

 

3) The hardline rhetoric on illegal immigration strikes many as being thinly-veiled racism

 

Bingo! Add in #4:

 

4) The religious, borderline-theocratic "Christian," often anti-science zealotry offends many, goes against the very concept of church/state separation, tries to impose its own wonky values on those who have different beliefs, and to almost every person under the age of about 35, just generally freaks them the fcuk out.

 

Those things pretty much sum it up.

 

Ken Cuccinelli, who just lost the governor's race in Virginia, wanted to outlaw sodomy, i.e. oral sex and anal sex.

 

For a party that calls itself the party of small government, they sure do want the government RIGHT up in people's sex/personal lives, huh?

The GOP's problem IMO is that:

 

1) The extremist pro-life position turns off too many independents and women

 

2) The anti same-sex marriage position strikes many people as just being thinly-veiled anti-gay bigotry

 

3) The hardline rhetoric on illegal immigration strikes many as being thinly-veiled racism

 

 

Bingo! Add in #4:

 

4) The religious, borderline-theocratic "Christian," often anti-science zealotry offends many, goes against the very concept of church/state separation, tries to impose its own wonky values on those who have different beliefs, and to almost every person under the age of about 35, just generally freaks them the fcuk out.

 

Those things pretty much sum it up.

 

Ken Cuccinelli, who just lost the governor's race in Virginia, wanted to outlaw sodomy, i.e. oral sex and anal sex.

 

For a party that calls itself the party of small government, they sure do want the government RIGHT up in people's sex/personal lives, huh?

Agree with both of you.

I agree with Wheels (perhaps a first) and mad. Unfortunately the GOP doesn't have anybody in the wings that doesn't have the typical party hard line stance, hence the strong possibility of another Dem in the White House in the next election.

Losing Va gubernatorial race was hopefully a wake up call to the GOP. But, sadly I doubt it

RD, I'd love to hear your take on where this whole thing goes from here.

 

 

I have faith that Americans will fix their mistakes.

I have faith that Americans will fix their mistakes.

 

You have more faith in them than I!

I was shocked today I just went through my re-enrolment for my benefits for next year and my rates only went up by 6.50 per month. I even went ahead and called my insurer and they told me that i was not part of the group who is going to be dropped from the health insurance due to obamacare.

Let's take a trip down memory lane:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_healt...re_plan_of_1993

To add insult to injury,

 

Three 20-year old programmers created a fully-functional site using the Healthcare.gov's code in 3 DAYS, in their free time!

 

So how about that private-sector vs. government efficiency argument?

 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/20...e-in-Three-Days

And now the Dem's are pushing legislation to allow you to "keep your plan if you like it."

 

So let me get this straight, they want to tell Insurance companies that they HAVE to insure people who are going to be money losers for them, and now they want legislation that essentially forces insurance to not hedge against the risk these new forced policies are going to have on them. And people think these fools can repair our economy????

And now the Dem's are pushing legislation to allow you to "keep your plan if you like it."

 

So let me get this straight, they want to tell Insurance companies that they HAVE to insure people who are going to be money losers for them, and now they want legislation that essentially forces insurance to not hedge against the risk these new forced policies are going to have on them. And people think these fools can repair our economy????

 

This is what happens when you elect altruistic socialist idealists into a thriving democracy, give them the keys, and tell them to go nuts with their thought experiments and misguided theology.

 

Start digging and see whom in the administration is the intelligentsia and those whom have had real business world experience. You may just be surprised, or not.

It's a ways out until things get corrected - I'm just not that hopeful nor do I have faith that people will actually research who they are electing.

 

I really do not see the GOP dropping the fundamental Christian hard-line for quite some time, either. It's fully engulfed the party and plays a large role on their agenda.

 

I always found it funny when even a self-proclaimed libertarian opposes gay marriage or is against women getting abortions. Again, this is not surprising to those of us who see that this is a religious issue that has become a cornerstone of their political ideology.

 

I have a fundamental issue handing the nuke codes and the keys to the front door of the White House to anyone who honestly believes that dinosaurs and humans co-existed. And no matter what anyone says in a campaign, if they believe that - they are off my list. Just my .02

It's a ways out until things get corrected - I'm just not that hopeful nor do I have faith that people will actually research who they are electing.

 

No. No it's not. Forcing legislation to "keep things the way they were" will not work because the new "stop gap solution" is predicated on the foundation of a remaining lie. The only way to "fix it" is to repeal it in whole. Granted, the insurance companies I'm sure wouldn't reestablish old plans if repealed, so the pooch has been screwed and we can't go back. If they (insurance companies) really wanted to make good, once repealed offer new, better plans cheaper and they'll have DROVES of people signing up for that.

 

I really do not see the GOP dropping the fundamental Christian hard-line for quite some time, either. It's fully engulfed the party and plays a large role on their agenda.

 

So do you feel the Republican party is run by the hard-liners? Because if that's the case, why does the party look eerily similar to their blue opponents across the aisle. (Hint: They are the same at the end of the day.)

 

I always found it funny when even a self-proclaimed libertarian opposes gay marriage or is against women getting abortions. Again, this is not surprising to those of us who see that this is a religious issue that has become a cornerstone of their political ideology.

There are plenty of Libertarians who have opinions on marriage and abortions that aren't based in religious ideology. And to try and limit someones opinion because you don't agree with their school of thought is doing the exact thing you disagree with.

 

I have a fundamental issue handing the nuke codes and the keys to the front door of the White House to anyone who honestly believes that dinosaurs and humans co-existed. And no matter what anyone says in a campaign, if they believe that - they are off my list. Just my .02

 

Refer to my last point: And to try and limit someones opinion because you don't agree with their school of thought is doing the exact thing you disagree with. It's all about policy with politicians. I don't care what they do in their personal life. If i like their policies, I'll vote for them. You can made an argument that someones person life is indicative of their policy creation, but it's your due diligence to research whom you want to vote for, and not trust what the news puts out for populace consumption.

 

Where I work does offer health benefits, but they it would cost me 2x the amount I pay privately. I looked up the plans for 2014 and just WTF?!

 

For me to keep the plan I currently have now, I would have to pay 2.5x my current rate.

 

For me to pay the same premium I currently do, I would have a $2,500 deductible ($0 now) and 30% co-insurance after my deductible for specialists, ambulance services, prescriptions, lab/xray, ER, etc. etc.

 

I wouldn't mind this but I do have some health issues I was born with that require me to take prescription medicine and go for lab work more than once a year. So this "Affordable Care Act" is now going to cost me at least $2,500 more per year

 

To be honest with you if I had to pay more because of my medical conditions, so be it, I wouldn't expect anybody else to pay for it. What gets to me is we are ALL paying for the people who don't have insurance and once again they are taking more hand outs at the expense of others.

To be honest with you if I had to pay more because of my medical conditions, so be it, I wouldn't expect anybody else to pay for it. What gets to me is we are ALL paying for the people who don't have insurance and once again they are taking more hand outs at the expense of others.

 

To add insult to injury,

 

Three 20-year old programmers created a fully-functional site using the Healthcare.gov's code in 3 DAYS, in their free time!

 

So how about that private-sector vs. government efficiency argument?

 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/20...e-in-Three-Days

Sorry but that is bullshit and that is coming from working on major governmental and private sector support services background.

 

Yes people way overinflate their price when a government is involved but if they really know what they are doing then it will take more than three days.

Just things like documentation which you need at this level will take a team three months.

To be honest with you if I had to pay more because of my medical conditions, so be it, I wouldn't expect anybody else to pay for it. What gets to me is we are ALL paying for the people who don't have insurance and once again they are taking more hand outs at the expense of others.

Before we were paying for people who didn't have insurance as well. Now we are paying for people who were previously denied insurance due to pre-existing conditions/people who need extensive care (and the bureaucracy).

 

 

On a separate note, I find it somewhat ironic that the pope realized the need to be more progressive to save the church, and the the republicans can't understand the need to follow his lead to save their party.

Sorry but that is bullshit and that is coming from working on major governmental and private sector support services background.

 

Yes people way overinflate their price when a government is involved but if they really know what they are doing then it will take more than three days.

Just things like documentation which you need at this level will take a team three months.

 

Oh i agree that it would take more time, it's just funny that three people could get a similarly function web site up and running in three days compared to the "best and brightest" this administration has retained for the gigantic fcuk up this site (and policy) has been for how long?

Functionality on different scales.

The databases they will have to show off their "functionality in three days" will be minute compared to the DBs that the government site will handle.

I know people that could draft a simple site with small scale functionality in less than three days and show them up... When the big traffic loads come that is when you have to pay big dollar and that is why it is not easy.

Then factor in you have to over engineer the site for the initial run.

That means every Tom, Dick and Pablo will log into the site when it first goes live. That load level is not indicative of usual running and you have to design it to cope with that level otherwise people complain that the site crashed. 3 months down the line the load levels are different.

So much I could go into and no doubt there are football fields worth of piping hot bullshit to do with OBCare but rest assured that website by three guys is dog shit.